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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 03:34:15 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by WillD on Sat Apr 25 03:19:57 2009.

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What federal money? The Pennsylvania accepted less than 100 million dollars in the 1930s to complete the electrification to Washington DC and they repaid the loans in full. That was the last federal funding the Pennsy would see until wartime payments for goods moved (at below market rate), the HSR development programs of the 1960s, and finally the Penn Central's loan received in 1970

You're moving the goal posts. And here I thought you meant the status quo at the time the photos were taken. A little event called World War II helped put the kibosh on proper maintenance and further improvements, and of course Eisenhower and successors slavishly gathering public money to throw at interstates and airports, making things even worse. So yes, the PRR required federal money to be able to bounce back as much as it could from those ravages. That's where the money for a lot of stuff like the Pioneer III and Metroliner came from (both of which ran on jointed rail, incidentally).

And yet somehow the NEC at the time wasn't a weed choked line

You must be focusing on one photograph, that one from 1978. (I did say which years these are from.) The ones of the CNJ from the 50s most definitely show absolutely no weeds on the main. Go ahead; look again. I won't stop you.

Of course, it's all political, it's all a conspiracy. It must be so nice to place blame for every little problem you see with the world on the shoulders of some nameless conspiracy. It has nothing at all to do with the Pennsylvania occupying a superior route, investing in their infrastructure to provide superior service, or actually providing things like cab signalling. It all must be a conspiracy to destroy the railroad you liked

You've obviously done no studying whatosever into either the history of US railroads, or politics. What do you not understand about the PRR owning the B&O from 1901 to 1963? If the B&O had remained independent and had the backing of well-heeled financiers, the CNJ, Reading and B&O mains going from New York to Washington DC would have been invested in just as heavily, back in the early half of the 20th Century. No conspiracy theory; this is plain reality. (Maybe you forgot about what the PRR did to the CNJ's Blue Comet, in spite of having an inferior and much-longer route for their own Nellie Bly?)

Still no comment about the pics? They're some outstanding color pics. What kind of chemicals do you ingest on the weekend that make you lose focus on reality so badly?

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