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Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth

Posted by WillD on Sat Apr 25 03:19:57 2009, in response to Re: More trains on the CNJ main in Elizabeth, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Apr 25 02:55:42 2009.

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No, the PRR had no such wherewithal to make improvements until they started getting federal money. Forgot that the PRR was gone ten years after that pic of the National Limited in the first post?

What federal money? The Pennsylvania accepted less than 100 million dollars in the 1930s to complete the electrification to Washington DC and they repaid the loans in full. That was the last federal funding the Pennsy would see until wartime payments for goods moved (at below market rate), the HSR development programs of the 1960s, and finally the Penn Central's loan received in 1970.

The Pennsy had far better political connections. Maybe you forgot the PRR, at the time these photos were taken, was controlling the B&O? The C&O acquired the B&O in 1963. (The PRR had controlled the B&O from 1901.)

And yet somehow the NEC at the time wasn't a weed choked line.

As for the PRR, they held onto their "lackluster" ferry connection to Lower Manhattan from Jersey City for 50 years after NYP was built. They hadn't built NYP to handle all of their passenger traffic.

Of course, and that was a major oversight. However, they did offer a direct trip into Manhattan on their own tracks. That is a big part of what made them The Standard Railroad of the World while the route you're attempting to cheer on was just an also ran.

Also, before the PRR stepped in, the B&O had their own plans to build their own terminal in Manhattan. So say "thank you, bad politics" for that situation.

Of course, it's all political, it's all a conspiracy. It must be so nice to place blame for every little problem you see with the world on the shoulders of some nameless conspiracy. It has nothing at all to do with the Pennsylvania occupying a superior route, investing in their infrastructure to provide superior service, or actually providing things like cab signalling. It all must be a conspiracy to destroy the railroad you liked.

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