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Re: Circle B and Diamond B

Posted by Michael549 on Wed Aug 23 20:21:41 2006, in response to Re: Circle B and Diamond B, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Wed Aug 23 16:51:14 2006.

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Everynow and then, someone writing to forums such as these, wishes to re-introduce ideas that would basically cause major confusion for the riders. The idea to re-introduce double letters, or numbers higher than 10 for the "IRT" lines is such an example.

Some have noted that the A line has multiple terminals in Queens, and for that reason, there should be a different designation for each variation, A for 207th - Lefferts, A' for 207th - Far Rockaway, and so on. Or the more recent idea to call the CC, the AA, or the Pelham Bay express the #8, or branches of the #5 - the #10, etc.

Right now on the 8th Avenue line the A, C and E trains run. Those who need the A train heading into Manhattan, really do not care what terminal the train originated from. Try saying to the riders that this is an "A-1 train that makes the same stops in Manhattan as the A train" will confuse many riders. Only those riders who need one of the branch points of the A route really care which terminal the A train goes to.

Similarly riders in Brooklyn traveling to Manhattan do not really care what the terminals of the #4 or #5 lines are. Making each variation - #4, #5, #10, #12, #13 its own route - when the trains travel to the same basic terminals as their counterparts - would make for a very confusing set of maps and signage.

Please note that when the E and EE ran, they were two completely separate lines with different terminals on each end. During a major portion of its history, the E train ran express during the rush hours on the 8th Avenue line and in Brooklyn along Fulton Street.

By having a "simpler" set of routes that are fairly consistent, the riders can have confidence about the transit services. Imagine, the following directions, "During the rush hours take either the #6 or the #8 to 96th Street, but at night take the #10 train, but after midnight and on weekends you can take the #4, the #10, and the #14." Contrast those directions with "Take the #6 to 96th Street, after midnight the #4 also stops there."

While some of us "transit nuts" become excited about all of the variations possible on each of the lines, the regular riders simply want to get to their destinations.

Mike

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