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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Sat Dec 31 02:59:21 2022, in response to Re: [PHOTO] Attn: JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Dec 30 18:41:46 2022. Bill ---The very FIRST elevated cars for the first 3 cars for cable operation of West Side & Yonkers Patent Elevated Railway, possibly numbered 1-3 before retirement, were built and used 2/14/1870 thru 4/20/1871, then used as coaches behind West Side & Yonkers steam "dummies". See photo of these odd cars below:  More cars were built but with Shad Belly bottoms, as follows, replacing the original 3 former "cable cars" 1-4 NYERR Shadbelly coaches Jackson & Sharp 1872 5-7 NYERR Shadbelly coaches Jackson & Sharp 1873 8-10 NYERR Shadbelly coaches Jackson & Sharp 1874 11-16 NYERR Shadbelly coaches Cummings 1875 See photo below of those Shad Belly cars  These shad belly cars were replaced by newer coaches 1876 or 1877 and disposed of. These cars had smaller side windows and some had a narrow center door in the sides, and were used on the NYERR 9th & 3rd Ave El lines and acquired by Manhattan Elevated Railway Co. by 1879. Here are their roster roster numbers (#'s 17 to 39) seen at top line in the larger roster of 1876 to 1879 built steam era gate cars below: 17-39 NYERR Steam Coaches Gilbert & Bush 1876-77 40-80 NYERR Steam Coaches Gilbert & Bush 1878 81-177 NYERR Steam coaches Wason 1878 178-208 NYERR Steam coaches Gilbert & Bush 1878 209-242 NYERR Steam coaches Wason 1878 243-292 NYERR Steam coaches Gilbert & Bush 1879 BELOW is a photo circa 1877 of 2 of the center door cars built in 1876-77 (#'s 17 to 39) seen at the stub ended South Ferry Battery Park FIRST terminal that dead ended At Whitehall Street with its 2 bumper tracks facing into Front Street  Below are some photos of the 1879 Gilbert & Bush built cars having 14 evenly spaced windows -- a train of them brand new at South Ferry Terminal in 1879. (I scratch built a model of one of these in O Scale)  And my scratch built O Scale Model of these cars seen on my EL System  These 14-window (#'s 243-to 292) cars were built more substantially in underfloor framing - so that the IRT deemed them suitable to be electrified as MU "Trailer" cars to run between Motorized El cars. The earlier 1878 class (209 to 242) were NOT deemed as suitable and were gone from passenger use during full electrification of the EL', and sold to other short-line railroads and/or scrapped. The original Manhattan Elevated Cars built for the New York Elevated Railway Co by Wason & Gilbert & Bush (#'s 17 thru 208), built between 1875-1877, ALSO had very light underbody framing designed for "towing" operation in one direction by a "locomotive". These cars could be pushed for yard and coupling moves, but their drawbars (couplers) and floor-framing was not suitable for "push-pull" type continual passenger service we know of today. Nor the buffeting between motor cars. They were a bit shorter at 46 feet over end sills, and lower by at least almost a foot (at roofline) and a bit narrower than later 1880 built 6-4-6 window standard EL Gate trailer cars.The ABOVE CARS were disposed of by 1902. Other than a few cars retained as work box cars or some with the bodies removed and converted to flat cars. Most of the EL Gate trailer cars built from 1880 were of the standard body 6 - 4 - 6 window spacing and very many of these were rebuilt and converted to become the first Motorized Electric EL cars by 1900-1901. The balance of the 6-4-6 cars not motorized became MU Trailer cars. Below are models I built of two of my many 6-4-6 window motor cars seen on my EL - the left car being a 6-4-6 MU trailer ![](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/26540212522_95b54fe1df_b.jpg") ALL EL Gate Trailer cars built from #'s 243 thru 292 (Built 1879 with 14 even spaced windows) and THEREAFTER in the sequential number series, from the steam era, of various window spacing, most being 6-4-6 spacing, were electrified for MU use as trailer or Motor Cars. Below is my scratch built O Scale 18 window EL Gate trailer car The the car at left in the photo) replicating the prototypes built in 1878 and numbered 501 to 520 and 521 to 540. These also were deemed structurally qualified to become MU trailers in Electrified trains.  The Only IRT EL Gate MOTOR CARS were those that were either converted from steam era trailers of the 6-4-6 window spacing, and those built new, as electrified, between 1901 thru 1911 as MU Trailers or Motor cars and having the 4-4-4 (6 pairs) window spacing. These cars also had slightly higher clerestory roofs than previous cars. Bill, under the IRT / Manhattan Railway Division, it appears that the "standardized Electric Fleet utilized the single and dual digit car numbers taken from earlier NY Elevated Railway fleet of by 1900, obsolete and out of service cars. To replace those cars out-of-service and re-use their numbers with "modern" electrified fleet" cars. That was the logic. The 3 digit numbers on some MUDC cars were their original Gate Car numbers -- per my various gate car explanations above. regards - Joe F |
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