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Posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Thu Jun 28 21:26:52 2018, in response to Re: [PHOTO] MOTORMAN, posted by JOE @ NYCMTS - NYCTMG on Thu Jun 28 20:07:57 2018. Hello Express Rider & Randy OMY CORRECTION added .... In closer inspection of the cab door (and Motorman forward Glass "window") I now believe that EXPRESS RIDER may be correct and it may likely be a DECK ROOF Hi-V car. My previous post, tho factually interesting on a Gibbs Car, was in ERROR for the MOTORMAN photo carbody. The Deck Roof and HEDLEY Hi-V cars had a sliding end storm door -- and the swinging cab door in the MOTORMAN photo appears to have the upper drop sash panel (just an opening -- no glass) for cab ventilation with cab door closed. Deck, Hedley and Low-V's shared similar doors. There is no "bulge" in the bottom section of the cab door which was to compensate for that HUGE H-V controller on GIBBS cars -- because the 180 degree swinging door could not close flush to the controls without it. Also, because the side sliding door appears to have a two window set and TWO LARGE indented panels in the lower part of the side door, like deck roof (and GIBBS) cars had. See my O-Scale Models -- a Deck roof at left and Gibbs at right -- TWO PANEL side doors.  >>>> I suggest the the motorman is likely inside DECK ROOF Hi-V Motor Car. The side-door "panels" are very deep - while the HEDLEY Car 3 side panels are narrower. Some construction facts: a) - NOTE: the DECK ROOFERS had a narrower end "sliding" storm doors which was WOOD b) - NOTE: the just earlier built GIBBS CAR had narrower original "swinging" end storm doors which were steel c) - Both GIBBS and DECK ROOF cars had a slightly wider pair of outside end bulkhead windows aside the center storm doors. d) - The end outer bulkheads with these windows were also slightly wider than found on later built Hedley Hi-V and later Low-V Standard Body steel car bodies having wider end storm doors. See my photo BELOW in 1958 at the old former Starlight Amusement park grounds just west along the ex-NYW&B Railway 4 track main in the Bronx near E. 174th Street - grounds used to scrap old IRT EL & Subway cars (and some BMT EL Gate cars!)  Note the Hi-V GIBBS CAR at left and the Hi-V Deck Roof Car at its right --- both have narrow storm door entry opening and slightly wider end windows in their slightly wider bulkheads. HOW do I know the car at left is a GIBBS car ? Because the GIBBS CARS were the only "steel" body IRT subway cars that had an entirely all WOOD and CANVAS COVERED upper clerestory roof with steel rib under-framing !! And note the wood roof and canvas is burned away after the cars were set afire for scrapping the remaining steel ! Also see my photo below taken that same day in 1958 of a Hedley Hi-V Manual Doors Motor Car (aka Modified Motor because it was fitted with Motorman door indication signal lamp to run as the Pilot or head end car in a Hi-V train of MUDC Cars)  Note its end windows are a bit taller and thus narrower - as are the end bulkheads - than those of GIBBS and DECK ROOF cars - while its wider sliding end steel storm door is opened slid into its pocket, what you see in the doorway opening is the motorman "cab door" that would cover the cab controls and motorman's cab glass. And its side steel sliding vestibule doors have 3 narrow panels So, I agree that the motorman in the photo is in a DECK ROOF Hi-V Car with the wider motorman window. Sorry for my original posting error - well, the photos were nice anyway ! regards - Joe F |
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