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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Aug 21 02:15:34 2017, in response to Re: Historic Subway Tiles With Nothing To Do With Racism Or Even Confederacy to be Removed, posted by Michael549 on Mon Aug 21 02:03:30 2017. What's interesting is reading the comments posted with the article - that detailed some interesting facts. Here are just a few of those comments.------ https://www.nytimes.com/times-insider/2015/06/29/1917-stars-and-bars-on-subway-walls/?mcubz=0 ------ Chris Gibbs Fanwood, NJ June 29, 2015 It is possible there is some confusion over the exact meaning of "stars and bars." The flag of the Confederate States of America consisted in two red stripes with a white stripe between, and a blue field with 13 white stars, in conscious emulation of one of the flags of the early Republic (to which the CSA's founders paid homage). The broad blue/white X with 13 white stars against a red field was the CSA battle flag. The term "stars and bars" has been ascribed to both these flags. So, yeah, the tiled ornament pictured with the story looks vaguely like the battle flag. But hardly enough like to resurrect the South. ------ Boston June 29, 2015 The confederate battle flag apparently imagined in these mosaics is not the flag that was known as the Stars and Bars. That flag, a Confederate national flag, had three horizontal red and white stripes, and a circle of white stars on a blue field, reminiscent, obviously, of the American Flag. ------- Alexander W Bumgardner Charlotte NC June 29, 2015 The "Stars and Bars" is not the Battle flag, the familiar flag which has caused discord lately. Rather, the "Stars and Bars" is the first flag of the Confederacy. It has three horizontal, red and white bars with a circle of stars in the upper left corner. ------- Lester Arditty New York July 1, 2015 Consider the original source of the article in the New York Times. It is today's New York Post. At one time, a well respected New York tabloid style news paper. Today it is the gutter trash, bottom feeding, sensationalist opinion rag & the Flagship paper of the Rupert Murdoch empire. Occasionally, they actually get some real news between the covers! The only purpose of the article to try to give The New York Times a black eye. It is totally disingenuous & hypocritical! In this case. The New York Times is writing as news story inspired by the semi-factual article from the disreputable New York Post! At a glance & from a distance, one can make a leap into nonsense to believe this symbol is a representation of the Confederate Battle Flag. As far as the real Confederate Battle Flag; it is a symbol of a treasonous group of states, fighting against the legally elected government of the United States of America. The more recent meaning of that flag has been used to intimidate & persecute African American citizens of the United States (& those who stand against hatred), who happen to live in those former Confederate states. The Confederate Battle Flag is not about Southern Pride or a way to honor those who fought against the Union. It's about white power & the subjugation of black people. It is a symbol used by racists like the KKK & other such affronts to American ideals. The tiles in the subway should stay. It's part of New York City's history. The Confederate Battle Must Go! --------- David Flushing July 1, 2015 A common aspect of conspiracy theories is that "if it looks a little like something, it must be that." We see this all the time on shows about supposed ancient space aliens where a headdress has to be space helmet. There are also simple geometric designs that show up in many places, the swastika being the prime example. There is a large one on a ceiling ventilator in the Radio City Music Hall, but this is not a nod to Adolf. The subway mosaics in question were designed by Squire Vickers, who worked on subway stations from 1906 to 1942. Unlike his predecessor, he prefered flat ornaments instead of those in high relief as found south of Grand Central along the #6 train route. It was felt the older ornaments were dust catchers. If one looks at the ornaments of other Seventh Ave. stations, one will find variations of the design in question at Times Square. To relieve monotony, an upper and lower band cross periodically. Let us not get carried away with a little similarity. --------- Steve New York July 1, 2015 Considering Adolph Ochs was all of 7 years old when the Civil War ended, I don't think he had formal ties to the Confederate army. I wonder if they'll find something similar in the Herald Square station as the Straus family who built up Macy's were also in the south during the Civil War. And the mother of Theodore Roosevelt, the only president born in NYC, was also from Georgia and she was very pro-Confederate during the Civil War (her brother was a Confederate agent in Britain). I'm waiting to read about TR's "ties to the rebel cause." It seems the Post simply is looking to tweak The Times and also probably to inflame tensions between Jews and African-Americans. Way to go Rupert! -------- There's more from the HistoryNet.com |
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