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Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon)

Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 11 02:55:33 2012, in response to Re: Abandoned Utica Ave Upper Level (Pix Coming Soon), posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 10 18:43:52 2012.

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According the the B of T annual report from 1948 as well as some contract books I have seen, the Pitkin Av subway was to continue down Pitkin to a point near Aqueduct where it would ascend to the LIRR via a portal from below the ROW. East of the 80/Hudson St interlocking, the contract book indicates that existing bMT signaling was to be used beyond that point meaning that there was no connection planned at that time between the Fulton St el and the LIRR ROW. The 1951 B of T annual report shows no subway down Pitkin past Euclid but does show a connection between the Fulton St el and the LIRR ROW which eventually became Liberty Jct. Apparently either something happened or was discovered S/O Euclid that in those 3 years caused the B of T to change its plans for connecting to the Rockaway Line. It may also have been a simple matter of economics since the slight realignment of the Fulton St el structure and the rehab of the additional short distance between Liberty Av and Aqueduct would definitely be cheaper than an entire 4 track subway from 76 St to the LIRR ROW. In either case, the present ramp to the Fulton St el and the continuation of the subway down Pitkin were definitely supposed to coexist so it was always a case of "both and" rather than "either or."

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