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Posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Jan 4 22:02:54 2005 Your First Amendment at work.My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Flxiblemetro on Tue Jan 4 22:57:11 2005, in response to Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Jan 4 22:02:54 2005. God knows every single action we have committed behind closed doors in the privacy of our homes and business buildings(where everyone else(humans) can't see through walls....As it says in Hebrews 4:13: "There is nothing that can be hid from God; everything in all creation is exposed and lies open before His eyes. And it is to Him that we must all give an account of ourselves". And also,God can read ours minds,thus we can't cun him. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 4 23:13:28 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by Flxiblemetro on Tue Jan 4 22:57:11 2005. God is also a forgiving father who loves his sons and daughters: He welcomes home the prodical with a banquet. God is Love. God is Grace. God is forgiveness.I am content to rest my soul on God's shoulder, for whatever that creature says, it only reflects the soil of his own soul. |
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Posted by American Pig on Tue Jan 4 23:26:38 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by Flxiblemetro on Tue Jan 4 22:57:11 2005. What's the point of posting this? You believed that God caused the tsunami? The tsunami was caused by the Australian plate subducting the Eurasian plate, and tension developing over thousands of years is released, caused the sea floor to deform and shake, this produced a wave in the water that then made landfall. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 23:38:04 2005, in response to Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Jan 4 22:02:54 2005. Sick group of Bible-twisting freaks. |
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Posted by vengence on Wed Jan 5 01:04:44 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by American Pig on Tue Jan 4 23:26:38 2005. New Ager to the VERY End..aintcha...No I don't believe God did it...but I believe YOUR god did. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Jan 5 02:53:17 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 23:38:04 2005. Spin doctors |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Jan 5 03:16:00 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by vengence on Wed Jan 5 01:04:44 2005. What the fuck is a "New Ager?" |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 5 03:26:19 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by American Pig on Wed Jan 5 03:16:00 2005. "New agers" are people who believe in the power of the self over the power of people, who believe that wealth is something to be horded and not shared, that people should fend for themselves and never help those who might need some. They believe that God made a BIG mistake in creating such inspired diversity and plenty and that it's their duty to homogenize everything and destroy that diversity in the name of "freedom" and that women serve one purpose - to become pregnant and have children of which many are left to starve to death because they've been born already and that's where it ends.And THEN, they discover the stink of the concepts they hold true and decide that it must be rising from somewhere ELSE. :) |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Jan 5 03:42:56 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 5 03:26:19 2005. That doesn't sound like what vengence was thinking of. It seems that a New ager to him is someone that believes that earthquakes are caused by tectonic plates shifting and not by special beings with magical powers. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Jan 5 04:20:33 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 4 23:38:04 2005. ***T*R*U*T*H*** |
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Posted by Flxiblemetro on Wed Jan 5 04:45:15 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by American Pig on Tue Jan 4 23:26:38 2005. What's the point of posting this?Haven't you read http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/faq.html#Tsunami , which Peter Rosa just hyperlinked. You believed that God caused the tsunami? Could be. We humans bring trouble on ourselves not God, but God does punish. I have heard some Christans told us not to blame God forour troubles. If we blame God, then we are in worse trouble. The tsunami was caused by the Australian plate subducting the Eurasian plate, and tension developing over thousands of years is released, caused the sea floor to deform and shake, this produced a wave in the water that then made landfall. You read and heard about this on the mass media, so did I on my local news here California. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 5 06:22:23 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by American Pig on Wed Jan 5 03:42:56 2005. I'll let Vengence explain for himself, he is a person of faith, but not demented - and there are antireligious forces at play, most likely as a result of the nutcakes on the other end thumping their bibles. I see it as more of a reaction to the anti-religious ... I have to admit, when I saw the squirrels twirling over the threads and the "religious right" jawboning, I ignored most of the threads.I've explained before that I'm very religious, but I'm not a fundamentalist. Fundamentalist Christians are no better than fundamentalists of any other religion and at least HERE in America, we have the right to practice ANY religion or NO religion as we see fit. For now. :( One of the angles lost on the extreme right and the fundamentalists in general is that religion is offered, not demanded by God. The most basic tenet, that of FREE WILL is lost on some of the folks who are now in leadership and telling us all what to think. And there's a well-deserved rebellion against it by many. You don't bring people to God by whacking them over the head, they must come WILLINGLY. I see this "new age" pookah as a reaction to that where the fundamentalism has trapped people in its madness, and when people are guided by fools, you see these kind of outbursts. God is LOVE, God is DIVERSITY, God is TOLERANCE. Haven't seen a whole lot of that out of those who wear Jesus on their shoulder and wrap themselves in a flag. So for me, no problem. I can dance buck nekkid in front of a bonfire to celebrate the solstice, I can bide time with Wiccans, I can have a beer with my rail worker neighbors. My own "values" are solid, I fear not the "new age" stuff, whatever that is. I'd rather the "new age" stuff than being subjected to the rules and rites of those who profess to be Godly but in practice are anything but. Religion is a PERSONAL thing, it's not the basis of a society. That's where I was going with my own thoughts on this. Simple rule of be good to one another and kind - that's Godly. Stirring the pot, fomenting hatred and being mean to one another - well ... too well to play, thank ya. :) Never thought I'd see a society chase God away by beating other people over the head with it. Then again, "charlatans and false prophets" are a much bigger concern to me - especially when people tune them in daily and BELIEVE what they're spouting. :( |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 5 08:34:09 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by Flxiblemetro on Wed Jan 5 04:45:15 2005. Could be. We humans bring trouble on ourselves not God, but God does punish.There were earthquakes, hurricanes, tsunamis, volcanic erruptions, plates shifting, avalanches, mudslides, floods, glaciers, meteors, asteroid hits, season shifts, etc, etc, and come up with any other natural disaster, LONG before any human ever walked the Earth. These things are not caused by a "God" that is punishhing humans. They are NATURAL disasters, and have absolutely NOTHING to do with any higher being. I have no idea what sick religion would think these are "punishments", nor can I understand that they believe that the "Earth changes" that have been happening for eons should all of a sudden "stop" when humans walk the Earth. Like I said before....sick group of Bible-twisting FREAKS. |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Jan 5 12:56:45 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by Flxiblemetro on Wed Jan 5 04:45:15 2005. You read and heard about this on the mass media, so did I on my local news here California.I heard nothing on the media, I already know how tsunamis and earthquakes are caused. |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Jan 5 12:59:20 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 5 06:22:23 2005. But that description you posted sounds more like the description of a neocon than that of a atheist, agnostic or deist, who are what vengence thinks of as a new ager. When I hear the term "new age" I think of people who do meditation, and use herbal remedies and other bullshit like that. I don't think of non-believers, those have been around for millennia. Thomas Jefferson was a famous deist. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 5 14:21:11 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by American Pig on Wed Jan 5 12:59:20 2005. Heh. Apologies, "eloquence" and "clear thought" tend to go by the wayside after a 30 hour day - I'm sure that Vengence will be happy to explain once he sees this ... I'd take it on but there's just too much work on this end and I'm too tired to think clearly any more as the previous message kinda proves. I know the guy and I think his words are being somewhat misunderstood ... be back to see after I gets some sleep. |
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Posted by R143 on Wed Jan 5 14:31:01 2005, in response to Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Jan 4 22:02:54 2005. Sick people. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Jan 5 15:28:00 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 5 06:22:23 2005. Well said Kevin. No, you cannot be a good Christian (Catholic in my case) and hate this or that group because of race, color, or religion. Compassion and affection are part of the brew. Anyone who hates someone because they don't believe as they do and condemn them to eternal damnation isn't worth a damn to me and I want nothing to do with those kind of people. |
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Posted by BIE on Wed Jan 5 15:41:15 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Jan 5 15:28:00 2005. "Anyone who hates someone because they don't believe as they do and condemn them to eternal damnation isn't worth a damn to me"A basic defining tenet of Christianity is that you +will+ go to hell if you do not believe in Christ's diety. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 5 16:23:22 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by BIE on Wed Jan 5 15:41:15 2005. You are reading fundamentalism into it.There is not a real Christian that would believe that this wave was sent there to kill "the sinners". That's fundamentalism, not true Christian doctrine. |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Jan 5 17:20:58 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 5 16:23:22 2005. There is not a real Christian that would believe that this wave was sent there to kill "the sinners". That's fundamentalism, not true Christian doctrine.And no true Scotsman puts sugar on his porridge. |
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Posted by vengence on Wed Jan 5 18:14:41 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 5 03:26:19 2005. Well put,Kirk...New Ager's rarely see anything other than "self"..."It's all about me". Everything is geared toward " Humanisum".. From "creation", to why certain things happen in the world....The New ager believes everything has NOTHING to do with GOD.. God did not create ANYTHING.. GOD does not control ANYTHING... GOD does not even exist.... Man is the key to the future... Man is the Prime mover in his fate.. Man is the supreme power in the Universe... The removal of the "GOD concept" is first and foremost,so man may progress toward his future.... Man must not place his "faith" any outside "deity" but self... To do this.."GOD" must be removed from ALL places ..PUBLIC...PRIVET...MENTAL...EMOTIONAL, SPIRITAL... Removal of GOD from schools,seats of Goverment,Homes,minds, hearts and souls.... ANY AND ALL REFERAL to GOD must be met with debate and ridicule... Sounds like a plan that has been working for years,to me. Such is the |
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Posted by vengence on Wed Jan 5 18:35:33 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by vengence on Wed Jan 5 18:14:41 2005. Now..I do believe God has a hand in EVERYTHING...And I believe there is a WAR going on...for ALL of us....Satan HATES man..and will stop at nothing to destroy us...wither it be by natural means ,or UNnatural means...earthquakes,floods,even giant waves...whatever it may be. I do not believe GOD had anything to do with the giant wave killing thousands of people....but NEVER believe that GOD does not PUNISH.... He does..... What it all comes down to, is faith....Your faith..Your belief. |
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Posted by vengence on Wed Jan 5 18:44:15 2005, in response to Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by Peter Rosa on Tue Jan 4 22:02:54 2005. These people actually prayed for GOD to kill people?jEZZ...UNBELIEVABLE.... He is not a tool to be used for MAN's vengeance... Sick bastards...they should remember..the hole they dig for someone is the hole THEY will fall into... |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jan 5 19:16:01 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by BIE on Wed Jan 5 15:41:15 2005. "A basic defining tenet of Christianity is that you +will+ go to hell if you do not believe in Christ's diety."Only some forms of Christianity. Not even true of Catholicism any more. And I don't think Jesus ever went on a diet, as opposed to a fast. |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Wed Jan 5 20:53:11 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by BIE on Wed Jan 5 15:41:15 2005. A basic defining tenet of Christianity is that you +will+ go to hell if you do not believe in Christ's diety.That's not really true. Jesus said that the only way to heaven is through him. Now depending on how you interpret that, it could mean (and this is what the fundamentalists say) that all people who don't except Jesus as God are bound for hell. But I believe that if you live a fairly good life, which I assume you live based on the way you are on this board, John, that you will most likely go to heaven anyway, even though you don't accept Christ. There is nothing saying that you +will+ go to hell or anything like that. Now that's just the non-fundamentalist view of things. I'm not trying influence you or anything. -James |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 5 21:41:17 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by BIE on Wed Jan 5 15:41:15 2005. I am a Christian, and I never heard anything like that. I think you must be thinking of the fundamentalist Christians. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 5 22:11:54 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by vengence on Wed Jan 5 18:44:15 2005.  Sick bastards...they should remember..the hole they dig for someone is the hole THEY will fall into... I am certain that he has to check under his bed every night for the Pink Helocopters. |
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Posted by Flxiblemetro on Wed Jan 5 22:21:17 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by American Pig on Wed Jan 5 12:56:45 2005. OK!You musta either took a geology class at school, or watched earth-science on the Discovery Channel before. |
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Posted by vengence on Wed Jan 5 22:31:37 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by Broadway Lion on Wed Jan 5 22:11:54 2005. humm..You say that..meaning? |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Jan 5 22:33:27 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by Flxiblemetro on Wed Jan 5 22:21:17 2005. Or maybe I read instead of wallowing in my own ignorance? |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Jan 5 22:34:21 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by vengence on Wed Jan 5 18:14:41 2005. These are all good things, man should not be a slave to anyone and should control his own destiny. Anything less is an insult. If you feel that man should not control the world around him, why are you using a computer? Computers were not given to man by God, they were created by men who learned how to manipulate electrons for their own uses instead of how God intended it.If people listened to you, we'd still live in medieval squalor, dying of bubonic plague. You can either accept natural disasters as the will of God, and die like the useless drone you are, or accept them as something that must be stopped, and then save thousands of lives. |
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Posted by vengence on Wed Jan 5 22:56:08 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by American Pig on Wed Jan 5 22:34:21 2005. You are the drone..a drone to serve you master...Only fools would deny the exsistance of GOD..and counting yourself you seem to be in bad company... Enough of the name calling... In any case ..no one including myself..says that Natural disasters don't happen..and I am not claiming that GOD was responible FOR IT... Things happen..and not all can be layed at his feet... But whenever HE DOES take a PROACTIVE stand in world affairs...nobody notices....like you for instances... |
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Posted by vengence on Wed Jan 5 23:25:22 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by American Pig on Wed Jan 5 22:34:21 2005. Stop a natural disaster? How foolish....What does a computer have to do with GOD being real...?Didn't GOD give Man a mind to build? DIDN'T HE give Man hands to manipulate objects? Did he not give us the skills to build cities and the like? Don't play me for the fool... I would expect you to say" MAN should be in control...." And I am insulted that you would say so... Humanist are always looking for a way to debunk GOD'S handy work with nonsense like "Look at what WE'VE accomplished"... But tell me something...Look at what "Man Control"DID to the world... Look at what his "control" is doing to the People... He shouldn't be a "slave" to anyone? Here's a news flash for you...He is A SLAVE... A slave to the Enemy of Life.. A slave to the EVIL the covers this planet.. A slave to his OWN GREED and need to make everything his... A slave to EVERY SINGLE BASE DESIRE... A slave to control... If people listened to me..[that would be a GOOD thing] we would see little change untill GOD is ready to change it..not just because I want to see change.... Either way..It's all good. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 6 01:12:46 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by BIE on Wed Jan 5 15:41:15 2005. Dewd ... you've GOT to get out of Zerocuse and them charlatans ... wouldya believe that Jesus taught LOVE, compassion and TOLERANCE? Kinda hard to believe with all these republicans on the loose, but true. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 6 01:13:46 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Jan 5 15:28:00 2005. Moo, brother! But ya REALLY gotta do something about the flakes in that political party you're part of - they're making DEMOCRATS look sane. :) |
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Posted by American Pig on Thu Jan 6 01:17:14 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by vengence on Wed Jan 5 22:56:08 2005. You are the drone..a drone to serve you master...What master? I'm not the one who worships a higher power. Only fools would deny the exsistance of GOD..and counting yourself you seem to be in bad company... I never said I denied the existence of God. As for being in bad company, famous non-believers (atheists, agnostics and deists) include numerous scientists and inventors such as Charles Darwin (but I know you hate him), Francis Crick (co-discover of the structure of DNA) and Thomas Edison, many literary figures such as Mark Twain and Walt Whitman. Many of the founding fathers, including Thomas Jefferson and James Madison were deists. Among various religious people we find Adolf Hitler, Ayatollah Khomeini and Osama Bin Laden. But whenever HE DOES take a PROACTIVE stand in world affairs...nobody notices....like you for instances... It seems silly to say that one disaster was caused by God and another was not. Either God causes all things or God causes nothing. I say that God causes everything, but that it has nothing to do with what people do. These are natural forces that have been set into motion BILLIONS of years ago. |
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Posted by American Pig on Thu Jan 6 01:35:19 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by vengence on Wed Jan 5 23:25:22 2005. Stop a natural disaster? How foolish....Millions of people once suffered and died from smallpox. An epidemic is a natural disaster, people did not create smallpox. Smallpox is gone now. God did not rid us of smallpox, we did it ourselves. Sure, it looks like you can't stop hurricanes and tsunamis NOW, but 200 years ago nobody thought that diseases could be destroyed. In a few years, polio too will be gone. What does a computer have to do with GOD being real...?Didn't GOD give Man a mind to build? DIDN'T HE give Man hands to manipulate objects? Did he not give us the skills to build cities and the like? Yes, but according to you we must only wait for God to do things for us and not use our gifts for ourselves. Humanist are always looking for a way to debunk GOD'S handy work with nonsense like "Look at what WE'VE accomplished"... We've accomplished much, but that is nothing compared to what we will yet accomplish (if reactionaries like you don't get in the way), which in turn is nothing compared to the wonder that is the universe. A slave to the Enemy of Life.. A slave to the EVIL the covers this planet.. A slave to his OWN GREED and need to make everything his... A slave to EVERY SINGLE BASE DESIRE... A slave to control... The problem with your morality is that you only do things that are right because you were told they were right and fear retribution. I do things that are right because they ARE right. Killing isn't right because someone told you it is 5000 years ago, it isn't right because if people were allowed to kill one another, nobody would have time or resources to do anything but protect themselves. Children are told by their parents to do things a certain way and are not given the explanation because they would not understand why. You are like a child. If people listened to me..[that would be a GOOD thing] we would see little change untill GOD is ready to change it..not just because I want to see change.... Either way..It's all good. If we followed your philosophy, we'd still be living in caves. And that would not be all good. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 6 01:37:27 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by vengence on Wed Jan 5 18:14:41 2005. It does sound as though you've received a bit of twisted indoctrination along the way, not unusual actually. If only things weren't so insanely busy here at my workplace, I'd love to take the time to go with the nuances. Instead, I'm going to need to be brief and oversimplify things. Forgive me, for I'll need to buzzword and paraphrase ... I wish Brother Elias was around to see this thread, he would have the time to expand on what I'm about to offer as a thought ..."Render unto Caesar" - God isn't interested in human institutions or government - that's man's problem. Religion is between US and GOD and nothing else needs to get in the way. I don't worry about "school prayer," there'll ALWAYS be "school prayer" whenever there's a math test. I don't think personally that government SHOULD be involved in religion, for there are Jews, Buddhists, Muslims and others who believe in the same basic tenets and the conversion of America into a "Faith Assembly" only denigrates God ... my opinion. Using God to preach NATIONALISM is the ultimate heresy. And claiming Jesus for a political party is even WORSE. "Upon this rock I shall build my church" - that ISN'T exactly what was meant, Jesus was telling Peter that the new covenant of FAITH was the rock, and the "church" was more metaphysical in meaning "spiritual values" ... rock buildings with steeples were NOT part of God's plan - Christianity and other religions are PURELY spiritual and physical entities or those who leech off those physical entities are NOT what He intended. The MESSAGE was "you are forgiven for your sins, you don't have to grovel, go and sin no more - AND "spread the love" ... And as to "wrathful avenger or cosmic muffin" this too was made very clear. The physical realm belongs to man - the SPIRITUAL realm belongs to God. God doesn't MAKE things happen, if anything, God ALLOWS things to happen, much like a parent who just can't get little Johnny NOT to touch the hot stove. Sometimes little Johnny HAS to burn his hand to learn, "don't DO that" ... "Wages of sin" and all that. Turn to God for the strength to endure, but God doesn't hurl lawn darts - people do THAT to THEMSELVES and have only THEMSELVES to blame. God is LOVE, peace, serenity, and compassion. When you encounter OTHER attitudes, then God has left the building. It's YOUR problem. :) I'll leave it there - once again, fascinating stuff - we could go on and on and I'd enjoy it if only I had the spare time. But this whole "vengeful God" thing is pandering from the fundamentalists. God lets you have free will, and if you choose poorly, it's your own fault. And things happen ... God's not going to interfere. If humankind would only live by the rules, there'd be a LOT less suffering. Still, things happen. Like earthquakes, tsunamis and twisters. Life is a gift. Enjoy it while it lasts, share it with others, and have fun. |
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Posted by willD on Thu Jan 6 01:48:14 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by vengence on Wed Jan 5 23:25:22 2005. Stop a natural disaster? How foolish....I don't take it for rote, but a science fiction novel supposedly co-authored by Arthur C Clarke and a lesser known author called Richter Ten. At one of the key plot points in the story there was a proposal by the protagonist to place somewhere like 3-4 gigatons of nuclear weapons in a mine 10,000-30,000 ft below the Salton Sea and thereby fuse the San Andreas Fault. Admittedly it's probably a completely load, since the molten earth supposedly created by the nuclear blast would merely act to pin the plates together for a limited time. Potentially this would result in an even bigger earthquake down the line. What does a computer have to do with GOD being real...?Didn't GOD give Man a mind to build? DIDN'T HE give Man hands to manipulate objects? Did he not give us the skills to build cities and the like? At what point do we have god-like powers? At the rate we're going, we'll have a rather impressive cadre of technological abilities certainly rivaling those that the Bible purports belonged to god. Often people of religious background are opposed to technological progress, but it's fairly certain that within 100 years we could be looking at industrial scale transmutation of elements on a subatomic level, the ability to change the other bodies within this solar system to suit out need, and perhaps the very ability to travel beyond pluto to other star systems. And when we reach that point, assuming there is a god, will he accept us as his equals as a father must eventually accept the son which has overshadowed him? And if god will not accept us as equals, then why are you challenging his rule by using a computer? If it's wrong for us to go around and try to make our own stars, or to change the planets to suit our needs because it treads upon the powers which denoted god, then how is it any less wrong for you to utilize electric power to run your computer? But tell me something...Look at what "Man Control" DID to the world... It could be argued that the Cold War was a 'humanist war.' Two nations faced off with the greatest weapons ever concieved, each of which represented more firepower than had been used in every war from 5000BC onward. Both nations had the ability to destroy the world many times over. And yet we continue to exist. Because those two nations were not facing off on a religious basis, both saw the utter foolishness of using those weapons. It could be argued that a religiously lead country would feel their god would protect them from their enemies weapons and as such would launch a disasterous preemptive strike. Rationality is something mankind has most definitely developed on his own, and that is a very good thing. |
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Posted by vengence on Thu Jan 6 01:49:50 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 6 01:37:27 2005. I hope you didn't misunderstand my post...I typed that post to point out the New Ageist frame of mind... I believe none of it... I also feed Pig's with a long handled spoon..cause he's is exactly the type that would bite your hand off while your feeding him. All in all it's fun to mess with the non believers... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 6 01:59:05 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by vengence on Thu Jan 6 01:49:50 2005. Heh. Testing ... testing one two three ... thump thump! :) |
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Posted by vengence on Thu Jan 6 02:12:50 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by American Pig on Thu Jan 6 01:35:19 2005. Oh thats nice..it's alway very comforting KNOWING who I'm dealing with ..rather than a sheep in wolfs clothing...Again.. You rationalize away..which is what your kind does.....when confronted with truth... You are the child who has lost his way...gripped with a need to defend his selfish life... So what..Man has made many accomplishments, none would be possible with out the gifts that GOD has given us... I do What I do because IT IS THE RIGHT THING to do...not out of "fear of torrment" I do what I do because it is the right thing to do..not out of pain of Death...or "Hell" I do what I do because IT IS A PART OF WHO I AM... It was nice having this conversation with you.. You defend yourself and your "LOGIC"....to all the other people that believe as you do.... Me...?I'll stick to what I feel..know and have seen....it works for me. Your in for a real wake up call...and I hope you make your choice worth it. |
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Posted by American Pig on Thu Jan 6 02:34:47 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 6 01:37:27 2005. Beautiful, simply beautiful.You are, and always will be THE MAN. |
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Posted by American Pig on Thu Jan 6 02:39:16 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by vengence on Thu Jan 6 01:49:50 2005. I typed that post to point out the New Ageist frame of mind...There is nothing "new age" about non-theism, it's been around for thousands of years, as long as theism. I believe none of it... If you don't believe it, why do you post it? I also feed Pig's with a long handled spoon..cause he's is exactly the type that would bite your hand off while your feeding him. My arguments are reinforced by knowledge and reason. The above sentence just shows me that your arguments are reinforced by nothing more than flimsy ASSumptions. |
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Posted by American Pig on Thu Jan 6 02:45:58 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by vengence on Thu Jan 6 02:12:50 2005. So what..Man has made many accomplishments, none would be possible with out the gifts that GOD has given us...You, and your simple mind would have us squander those gifts. |
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Posted by Flxiblemetro on Thu Jan 6 04:43:07 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Jan 4 23:13:28 2005. Amen! |
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Posted by BIE on Thu Jan 6 05:32:42 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jan 6 01:12:46 2005. 8-) 8-) 8-) |
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Posted by BIE on Thu Jan 6 05:50:34 2005, in response to Re: Not everyone's sorry for the tsunami, posted by American Pig on Thu Jan 6 01:17:14 2005. hitler had his ss nutcases research Nordic history to find out more about Odinism which was the religion practiced by the early Scandanavian and Nordic peoples until Christianity arrived on the scene. This was done solely to provide a homegrown religion to use as a tool to strengthen the ethnic identity of the German people and make them "better" nazis. hitler was NOT religious.G-d designed the pinball table (the Earth and its physical laws) and pulled and released the plunger EONS ago. After that folks, it's up to us. Both humans and animals are and have been evolving, going extinct and flourishing ever since G-d let the pin go. |
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