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Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran' |
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Posted by danD124 on Sun Nov 27 09:59:41 2011 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2066795/Muslim-students-walking-lectures-Darwinism-clashes-Koran.htmlMuslim students, including trainee doctors on one of Britain's leading medical courses, are walking out of lectures on evolution claiming it conflicts with creationist ideas established in the Koran. Professors at University College London have expressed concern over the increasing number of biology students boycotting lectures on Darwinist theory, which form an important part of the syllabus, citing their religion. Similar to the beliefs expressed by fundamentalist Christians, Muslim opponents to Darwinism maintain that Allah created the world, mankind and all known species in a single act. Steve Jones emeritus professor of human genetics at university college London has questioned why such students would want to study biology at all when it obviously conflicts with their beliefs. He told the Sunday Times: 'I had one or two slightly frisky discussions years ago with kids who belonged to fundamentalist Christian churches, now it is Islamic overwhelmingly. 'They don't come [to lectures] or they complain about it or they send notes or emails saying they shouldn't have to learn this stuff. 'What they object to - and I don't really understand it, I am not religious - they object to the idea that there is a random process out there which is not directed by God.' Earlier this year Usama Hasan, iman of the Masjid al-Tawhid mosque in Leyton, received death threats for suggesting that Darwinism and Islam might be compatible. Sources within the group Muslims4UK partly blame the growing popularity of creationist beliefs within Islam on Turkish author Harun Yahya who, influenced by the success of Christian creationists in America, has written several books denouncing Darwinist theory. Yahya associates Dawinism with Nazism and his books are and videos are available at many Islamic bookshops in the UK and regularly feature on Islamic television channels. Speakers regularly tour Britain lecturing on Yahya's beliefs. One such lecture was given at UCL in 2008 and this year's talks have been given in London, Manchester, Leeds, Dundee and Glasgow. Evolutionary Biologist and former Oxford Professor Richard Dawkins has expressed his concern at the number of students, consisting almost entirely of Muslims, who do not attend or walk out of lectures. |
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Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran' |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Nov 27 10:45:50 2011, in response to Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by danD124 on Sun Nov 27 09:59:41 2011. Maybe they should ban the evolution along with holocaust issues and the teaching of WWII....and Christmas, Piggy Banks, Police Dogs, the Union Jack, and everything else that has been banned in England to keep these fine and superior citizens happy. |
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Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran' |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 11:19:25 2011, in response to Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by danD124 on Sun Nov 27 09:59:41 2011. plenty of christians not agreeing with evolution theory. and going straight with bible story.so what is new ..................... |
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Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran' |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 27 11:26:15 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 11:19:25 2011. Do you have information that shows Christian medical students walking out of lectures over the issue? Should future Dr's walk out of lectures on abortion or stem cell research, because it conflicts with their religious beliefs? Perhaps Dr's who put their religious tenants before the science of medicine should find a different profession. Or maybe they should only treat patients such as yourself who find the lack of training acceptable. |
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Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran' |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Nov 27 11:29:38 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 27 11:26:15 2011. I agree- neither christians nor muslims, nor anyone else who walks out on med school classes should receive medical degrees. |
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Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran' |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 14:10:46 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by R30A on Sun Nov 27 11:29:38 2011. don't fool yourself not all students attend all classes , no matter what religion. |
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Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran' |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Nov 27 14:16:06 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 14:10:46 2011. Not attending and getting up and walking out to make a political/religious statement are different. They are rejecting science for religion. That being said, I don't know that believing or not believing in evolution has anything to do with potential medical ability. |
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Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran' |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 27 14:20:37 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Easy on Sun Nov 27 14:16:06 2011. Likely not but then I took it to its next logical step. Rejecting science for religion when it comes to Stem Cell Research or abortion or even in vitro fertilization. It proves nothing but it makes the Dr's skill set suspect. |
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Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran' |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 14:25:29 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Easy on Sun Nov 27 14:16:06 2011. They are rejecting science for religionThat's the liberal pills talking. Evolution is not a scientific law, and it has nothing at all to do with medicine. |
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Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran' |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 14:27:28 2011, in response to Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by danD124 on Sun Nov 27 09:59:41 2011. So what? |
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Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran' |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 14:28:30 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by R30A on Sun Nov 27 11:29:38 2011. BS. Those classes shouldn't be required, because they have nothing to do with medicine. |
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Posted by danD124 on Sun Nov 27 14:32:49 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 14:25:29 2011. Evolution is not a scientific law, and it has nothing at all to do with medicine.yes it does where do you think drug resistant Bacteria comes from? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 15:28:27 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by danD124 on Sun Nov 27 14:32:49 2011. That's not evolution. That's the human body's immune system assimilating the proteins of the antibiotic through overuse! |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 15:36:49 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Easy on Sun Nov 27 14:16:06 2011. hmm we got repukes who do it all time in our congress and senate.and UN, so where is this a exclusive muslim thing ???? |
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Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran' |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 15:39:59 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 15:36:49 2011. You don't understand what he wrote, I think. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 15:48:25 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 15:39:59 2011. yup but again its not just a muslim thing, repukes do same, while attempting to rule a country. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 15:49:34 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 15:48:25 2011. and as for Doctors I got a choice, as for Repukes even if their not voted in they terrorise the USA. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 27 16:11:18 2011, in response to Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by danD124 on Sun Nov 27 09:59:41 2011. Well FINE then ... reject the training, fail to meet the course requirements, get an "incomplete" and don't get certified. See? not difficult. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 27 17:12:35 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 14:28:30 2011. LOL! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 27 17:13:44 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 15:28:27 2011. OMG YOU'RE FUCKING INSANE! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 27 17:18:55 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 15:36:49 2011. perhaps you are having a bit of trouble focusing on the issue but we were talking about medical students, remember? There is no real equivalency in your argument. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Nov 27 17:21:39 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 15:36:49 2011. I'm not sure what you're referencing, but in any event I never said that it was an exclusive Muslim thing. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 27 17:28:04 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Easy on Sun Nov 27 17:21:39 2011. No one here did. In fact it would more likely be a Catholic thing. But when you have an issue, you shouldn't let stupid things like facts get in your way. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 17:30:47 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Easy on Sun Nov 27 17:21:39 2011. read the Fucking topic ... |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Sun Nov 27 17:33:01 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 14:28:30 2011. About the stupidest thing ever said on OTChat, and there have been some doozies. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 27 17:37:32 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Italianstallion on Sun Nov 27 17:33:01 2011. Excellent extremist liberal post. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Sun Nov 27 17:40:11 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 27 17:37:32 2011. What is exreme or liberal about it? |
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Posted by danD124 on Sun Nov 27 17:40:53 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 15:28:27 2011. wow, usually fundies just claim that "microevolution is different than "macoevolution". you're response is completely insane. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Nov 27 17:41:45 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 17:30:47 2011. lol. You are the one veering off topic. The topic is Muslim medical students in England not wanting to take classes on evolution and that's what I commented on. You responded to my post with gibberish about Republicans, Congress and the Senate yet I answered you politely. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 27 17:45:16 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Easy on Sun Nov 27 17:41:45 2011. Exactly |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 27 17:45:58 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Italianstallion on Sun Nov 27 17:40:11 2011. criticism of others point of view but nothing of substance to add to the discussion. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Sun Nov 27 17:48:41 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 27 17:45:58 2011. The substance is that the theory of evolution is central to the study of biology. I guess you didn't know that. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 17:54:59 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by danD124 on Sun Nov 27 17:40:53 2011. No, you just have no knowledge of biology.Your use of the word "fundies" is noted. You further left than SellKommunismTMO? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 17:55:28 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 27 17:13:44 2011. No, you have no knowledge of biology. You're plain old ignorant. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 17:55:54 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Easy on Sun Nov 27 17:41:45 2011. pwnt. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 17:56:46 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 27 17:12:35 2011. Hmm, you're just getting dumber and dumber. BS about "evolution" has nothing to do with medicine. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 17:57:47 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Italianstallion on Sun Nov 27 17:33:01 2011. And you're a doctor, or have studied the sciences, especially biology and biochemistry? (I've done the latter, for the record.) If not, then just clam up. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 17:59:24 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 17:30:47 2011. You read the topic. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 17:59:51 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 15:48:25 2011. You're talking out your rear end and making no sense at all. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 18:00:10 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 15:49:34 2011. Is this an ACRE thing? |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 18:05:59 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 18:00:10 2011. Duhh what do you know ???? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 18:13:51 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 18:05:59 2011. You have to start making sense first before you can get to understand what I know. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sun Nov 27 18:31:23 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 27 16:11:18 2011. That'd be great except over there they change everything on a whim to satisfy their apparent overlords. Least they act like these people are that. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Nov 27 18:31:40 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Italianstallion on Sun Nov 27 17:33:01 2011. Nah ... he'll be good for plenty more. :) |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Sun Nov 27 18:57:18 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 18:13:51 2011. Its a proven fact you know shit about ACRE or my affiliation ;-) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 27 18:59:05 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 17:57:47 2011. Biology classes at Bob Jones University don't count. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 19:12:04 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Nov 27 18:59:05 2011. No, that's not where I took them. Have you taken any at all, or are you just blowing smoke? |
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Posted by danD124 on Sun Nov 27 19:15:15 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 19:12:04 2011. where did you take them? Grove City College |
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Posted by danD124 on Sun Nov 27 19:16:00 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 17:54:59 2011. a know where drug resistance comes from. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Nov 27 19:17:36 2011, in response to Re: Muslim medical students boycotting lectures on evolution... because it 'clashes with the Koran', posted by danD124 on Sun Nov 27 19:15:15 2011. No, not there either. But by all means, keep guessing. |
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