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Posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 19:28:53 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 19:17:56 2004. Christmas wasn't his "real" birth anyway...The Papal church just made it up... No one knows what day he was born..but it wasn't in the Winter,thats for sure..... In any case,I hate the fact that Christmas is now used by the Market for selling goods more so than any other time of year....pushed by "Santa Claus".... I don't like him much either....never bought me anything...good or bad. My parents were of the rare breed that kept it real with us about WHO sent the gifts.... I wouldn't want somebody sneaking into my house in the middle of thenight anyway....lol! |
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Posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 19:29:30 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 15:29:09 2004. What kind of business are you making an example of? Only B&H or some damn yarmulke knitting factory would have the sense to stay open on Christmas. Jews make up .2% of the world's population, something tells me that you're going absolutely nowhere with your plan for businesses to stay open on Christmas. Again, as I said before, it would be BAD for business to stay open on Christmas as the cost would be more than the profit. Did you go anywhere on Saturday and see how many people were actually outside? Close to none... |
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Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas |
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Posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 19:29:33 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by BIE on Sun Dec 26 19:23:35 2004. Now it's gone,thanks to some EMAILING ASSWIPES.... |
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Posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 19:34:52 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 18:07:06 2004. If there was no damn religion in the world, do you realize how many conflicts/wars would have been avoided? Do you realize how divided our country, and even world is because of religion?It would solve NOTHING. People would find some other reason to fight if they wanted to. The solution to war is prosperity. |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Dec 26 19:34:59 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 19:29:33 2004. If SubTalk was still around the photoban would be toast and we wouldn't need protests. |
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Posted by Harry Beck on Sun Dec 26 19:36:04 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Anon_e_mouse on Sun Dec 26 13:56:35 2004. I've got no problem with this idea. |
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Posted by Harry Beck on Sun Dec 26 19:38:41 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by BIE on Sun Dec 26 19:34:59 2004. You are nuts John. The photoban proposal is far beyond the control of an internet message board for a bunch of buffs. Seriously, if you lived down here and not in 'cuse you would realize this.Please, take my word on this and try not to be incredibly combative. -Harry |
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Posted by R142A on Sun Dec 26 19:39:36 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by BIE on Sun Dec 26 19:34:59 2004. Yeah right... |
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Posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 19:42:18 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 19:02:22 2004. If GOD WAS FOEMLESS (sic)..How could he have created man in his "likeness"...?Why is this so hard to understand? Form does not mean physical body, there are numerous aspects to FORM. God created man to be INTELLIGENT and HAVING FREE WILL, LIKE HIM. |
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Posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 19:42:52 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by BIE on Sun Dec 26 19:34:59 2004. Get real. By your logic we could stop the fare hikes and get the SAS built if SubTalk was around!But wait! We have a replacement! I'm typing a response into it as you did at 7:34 and 59 seconds! Everyone who wanted to ever contribute onto SubTalk has had (and still has) the opportunity to sign up here and continue chatting away here. SubTalk going down was a major loss, I recognize that. Relating that action to the photoban and finding every excuse to turn against people you may disagree with is quite stupid. |
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Posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 19:45:18 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 15:40:47 2004. I did, and I was the first person to mention it on SubTalk |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Dec 26 19:45:19 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Harry Beck on Sun Dec 26 19:38:41 2004. I will say no more on this matter but things would go much better if you and your alters ego did the same. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 19:45:38 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by BMTLines on Sun Dec 26 19:28:43 2004. That's exactly my point. It's the "secular" Christmas that is "so" important, not the religious one. Anyone not practicing Christmas has to think it's an "important" Christian holiday, when in fact, many of the others are more important.As I stated before, the Christmas the USA celebrates is not the "real" Christmas. It was invented by American business at the early part of this century. Most businesses declare whether they had a good year or a bad year by how the Christmas season went. Although in Europe the "American" Christmas has snuck in too, it is much less of a fuss than it is here. When my mother immigrated to this country from Europe in the 50's, they held none of the "Christmas" we have now. They exchanged gifts on Saint Nicholas day (which is Dec 5th), and Christmas was nothing more than "go to church for an hour" type of day. |
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Posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 19:46:37 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 19:34:52 2004. So if there weren't three religions all clashing together in Iraq, and if Saddam didn't have a religion, there would STILL be some sort of conflict? "Gassing the kurds" wouldn't have any meaning. What would he do it for? He'd still be filthy rich from oil-for-food. |
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Posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 19:47:01 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 15:44:27 2004. Perhaps not, but if I told you "Happy Tuesday" on Tuesday, would you be offended? |
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Posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 19:59:32 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 19:42:18 2004. If thats the case..then why ae you a new ageist? |
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Posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 20:04:12 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 16:30:02 2004. So what, it doesn't make it any less cultural.Like I already said, there is no constitutional amendment against establishment of culture. Of course not. I'm not even all that religious. In fact, I hate organized religions. I don't care either way though. I don't care if they put a Menorah there or not either though. But I do, and I'd rather they not. It doesn't mean anything to those that don't observe those holidays, and if any culture/race/religion has the option have having something placed there, than what difference does it make. It constitutes a government endorsement of religion, which means very much to me. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Dec 26 20:05:35 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 19:29:30 2004. What kind of business are you making an example of? Only B&H or some damn yarmulke knitting factory would have the sense to stay open on Christmas. Jews make up .2% of the world's population, something tells me that you're going absolutely nowhere with your plan for businesses to stay open on Christmas. Again, as I said before, it would be BAD for business to stay open on Christmas as the cost would be more than the profit. Did you go anywhere on Saturday and see how many people were actually outside? Close to none...I made a short drive near my house on Christmas evening, around 6 or so, and noticed six businesses open (out of probably 100+ along the route): two 24/7 gas stations, a 7-11, two take-out Chinese restaurants, and a Turkish store/restaurant. How, um, stereotypical :) My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 20:06:25 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 19:45:18 2004. I don't know if I should be more impressed that you "were the first one to post this on SubTalk", or if I should be more impressed that you actually found the post! |
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Posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 20:07:54 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 19:42:18 2004. I didn't say he had a Phyical body.Also there were times that he has taken on a phyical form to interact with us..[Moses,Abraham,Adam/Eve..] What I did say..."he has a "HUMAN" form..in spirit...." |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Dec 26 20:09:28 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 18:07:06 2004. The Faquisha that preaches to me saying how she talked to GodDid you actually coin the term "Faquisha," or were you just the first to post it to Urban Dictictionary? My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 20:18:55 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Dec 26 20:05:35 2004. I also took a drive, bought coffee at a 7-11, I filled up my tank of gas, but didn't buy Chinese food (although all the ones I went by were open). |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Dec 26 20:30:36 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by BMTLines on Sun Dec 26 19:28:43 2004. Christmas decorations - a good artificial tree with all the trimmings can run several hundred dollars or more.. Add to that outdoor decorations, lights in the windows, etc and some households spend thousands.According to a piece in the Wall Street Journal a couple of weeks ago, some people actually hire theatrical lighting designers to set up their outdoor Christmas displays. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Dec 26 20:34:00 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Dec 26 20:30:36 2004. If you can afford to hire out this kind of work your time is valuable enough to make it worthwhile to do so. |
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Posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 20:34:14 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 19:46:37 2004. The Kurds and the Sunni minority have the exact same religion, so it's obviously not a religious issue. |
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Posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 20:36:06 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 19:59:32 2004. Who ever said I'm a new ageist? What is this new age you speak of anyway? I must say that the modern age is better than the past, so I'm for that, but I doubt that's what you're talking about. |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Dec 26 20:38:59 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 20:34:14 2004. The Kurds follow Sunna? |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 20:42:41 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 18:31:05 2004. I'm afraid I'm not in a position to answer that. My religion came first. Yours came along later and conflicted. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 20:44:07 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 18:07:06 2004. I'm glad you got that off your chest, but what does it have to do with my post? |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 20:47:31 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 18:46:29 2004. Christianity threw out Judaism and started over again, with a Bible that is only superficially similar to the Jewish Bible. It is not taken from Judaism. It rejects most of what Judaism holds dear. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 20:48:18 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 19:02:12 2004. Why would Christians be required to circumcise anyway? They're not required to observe any of the 612 other commandments. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 20:53:58 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 19:47:01 2004. Of course not. Why do you think I would?Happy Sunday evening! |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 20:55:11 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 19:09:46 2004. What's obvious to you isn't obvious to many who do the hanging.And who decided that Chanukah warrants public decorations but more important Jewish holidays do not? |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 20:58:43 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 19:15:55 2004. Fraid I can't do anything about your problem. Bring it up with your coreligionists.For whatever reason, many Christians like to decorate, even on public property, for a minor holiday of theirs called Christmas. Decorating for a minor holiday of mine that happens to fall in roughly the same part of the year does not somehow obviate the potential church-state concern. |
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Posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 21:01:02 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 20:44:07 2004. I am simply stating my opinion which I am responding to after you stated you "speak to god" three times a day... |
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Posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 21:02:23 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 20:06:25 2004. This is the advantage of having been able to change ones handle on the fly. The handle I used in that post is relevant to the topic, and I remembered that. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 21:02:36 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 20:53:58 2004. And you too! Happy (Early) Monday too! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 21:04:57 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 20:55:11 2004. And who decided that Chanukah warrants public decorations but more important Jewish holidays do not?I don't know, but who decided that Christmas warrants public decorations, but more important Christian holidays do not? Perhaps the Chamber of Commerce or BID that paid for them, and thought it was a good way to boost business? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 21:06:31 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 20:58:43 2004. It's big business that started the policy. |
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Posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 21:07:14 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by BIE on Sun Dec 26 20:38:59 2004. Those in iRaq do. |
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Posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 21:11:25 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 20:53:58 2004. Then wishing someone a Happy New Year is fine, regardless of how minor it might be.New Years Day is when Ned Flanders does his taxes. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 21:43:22 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 19:17:56 2004. If you find it offensive, be my guest and be offended! |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 21:46:32 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Dec 26 20:05:35 2004. And, obviously, kosher restaurants are open and get a lot of business when Christmas isn't on Saturday.But who says that I'm referring to stores? I'm referring primarily to office jobs. If I can work independently for a day, why shouldn't my employer let me work on Christmas and take off on, e.g., Yom Kippur instead? To their credit, some do, but some don't. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 21:48:19 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 21:01:02 2004. Why am I not surprised that you don't have the vaguest notion of what Jewish prayer is? |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 21:49:30 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 21:11:25 2004. Did I say it wasn't fine?That doesn't mean that I celebrate anything on that day. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 21:50:23 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 21:04:57 2004. The private businesses themselves can pay for decorations if they think decorations will somehow boost business. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 21:53:36 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 21:50:23 2004. I believe that they are paying for it indirectly when they join the local Chamber of Commerce or local BID through the fees, etc, who often times pays for the lights over the streets, or the decorations at the local town hall, etc.I remember that when I used to live in Queens, they would even publish or post which businesses "contributed" to the "holiday decorations", etc over Myrtle Ave, in addition to the businesses that were already in the Myrtle Ave BID. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 22:00:43 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 21:46:32 2004. Office jobs especially. Unless the job someone is performing is not dealing with anyone that celebrates Christmas, it's fruitless for an employer to even pay any sort of overhead to operate the office for a day when an employee is going to be less productive due to the fact that many of the people that person does business with (whatever that may be) are not around? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 22:05:06 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 21:46:32 2004. And, obviously, kosher restaurants are open and get a lot of business when Christmas isn't on Saturday.I think entertainment businesses do very well at Christmas in general. Movie theaters are often packed, because after opening presents and attending church for those that do, there isn't much else to do on a day such as Christmas. I believe Hollywood even gears many new movies to come out on Christmas for this reason, because it's a busy day for movie-goers. Many restaurants (even non-Jewish) are also open. And I think it's one of Disney World's busiest days. Etc. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Sun Dec 26 22:09:44 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 22:05:06 2004. I think entertainment businesses do very well at Christmas in general. Movie theaters are often packed, because after opening presents and attending church for those that do, there isn't much else to do on a day such as Christmas. I believe Hollywood even gears many new movies to come out on Christmas for this reason, because it's a busy day for movie-goers.We were thinking of going to the movies last night for just that reason, but there wasn't anything particularly interesting playing at any of the local multiplexes. Fortunately ESPN2 was airing three hours' of World's Strongest Man competitions :) My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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