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Posted by BMT Dude on Sun Dec 26 14:21:25 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 14:13:12 2004. Does he live in one of the craters? Maybe he drives around in the Lunar Rover that we left up there about 30 years ago! LOL!! |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Dec 26 14:43:41 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by Anon_e_mouse on Sat Dec 25 22:22:08 2004. Yes, agreed!!!!Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Dec 26 14:48:42 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 25 21:31:02 2004. I totally agree Elias!!!It's about time people started being educated about other religions & cultures instead of being fed a platter of hatred cos those folks don't pray or look....etc, the same way. Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 15:01:36 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Sat Dec 25 23:12:51 2004. Is that right?Then Abraham didn't "see" him,nor "talk to him either..before he went to Sodom? Who told him that Sara would give birth to a child...even though she was old in age? Let me tell you something... You cats can come to this board with your rationalizing "away" about this and that... But what it comes down to is one thing...Faith. I don't listen to silly notions of "GOD not having form" and such things.... |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 15:03:01 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by L Train on Sun Dec 26 11:30:56 2004. But Chanukah ended a week and a half ago! Besides, it's a relatively minor holiday, with no tradition of decorating up the wazoo.How about this compromise: Decorate whatever you want, as much as you want, for whatever holidays you want, on your own property. |
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Posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 15:19:45 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 08:28:11 2004. Yes, it would become more of a business expense to operate on Christmas. The streets are almost empty, the only people around are tourists. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 15:23:41 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 11:41:58 2004. I am not offended if I see a Star of David over the street when they put the holiday lights up in DecemberI am. If I want to decorate for Chanukah (and I don't, aside from the actual menorah that I light each night), I can do it myself. (At least I know when my holidays begin and end.) |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 15:29:09 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 08:28:11 2004. That would depend on the sort of business.I'm also not convinced that the vast majority of workers would take off anyway if it were more common for businesses to stay open. If I and the rest of my family have the option of working on Christmas and taking off another day instead, we may very well opt for a different date for our vacation, unless there's something special for us about December 25 specifically. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 15:32:13 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 01:35:09 2004. I'm sure lots of people would say lots of words, but they wouldn't raise Constitutional objections. |
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Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 15:34:07 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 08:15:59 2004. Perhaps I've misunderstood, but I always thought the Church considered it important that Jesus was born and raised a Jew. That means he had a bris. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 15:40:47 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Broadway Lion on Sat Dec 25 16:29:44 2004. Here you go. Betcha didn't know that the French Republicans have their own calendar! |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 15:44:27 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 08:17:59 2004. Having to remember to write a different year on checks is worthy of a celebration? Wow. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Dec 26 16:12:29 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Dec 23 11:13:47 2004. Many are Republicans or Democrats because their parents were.My parents were Democrats - I became a Republican |
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Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Dec 26 16:20:45 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 15:01:36 2004. But God doesn't have form.....and neither do you,I or David or any of use once we leave this physical plane.Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Dec 26 16:24:35 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by BMT Dude on Sun Dec 26 14:18:37 2004. Charles Osgood did do something on that song.....I heard part of the report on his "Osgood File" thing.....but again I wasn't paying much attention.Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 16:28:31 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 08:42:24 2004. Jesus did not teach a backturning of the old law, instead it was a new understanding of the old law under the same God.In other words, a backturning of the old law. The old law explicitly says that it will never be overturned. The old law is in two inseparable parts, Written and Oral. Christians reject the latter. Without the Oral Law, it's not Judaism. End of story. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 16:30:02 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by American Pig on Sun Dec 26 13:58:42 2004. It's also religion.So what, it doesn't make it any less cultural. Are you offended if a courthouse DOESN'T put a nativity scene on their property? So why should they? Of course not. I'm not even all that religious. In fact, I hate organized religions. I don't care either way though. I don't care if they put a Menorah there or not either though. Of course there is. Shavuot could fall on May 19th in a particular year. That's a "cultural" occurence. Splitting hairs now? May 19th was totally pulled out of the air. You can just as well put any date in it's place. That is where you are wrong. All objects have some sort of meaning. It means that the government wants to celebrate religious holidays and celebrates the holidays of other religions in order to make things equal. If everyone doesn't celebrate every religious holiday, why must the state? It doesn't mean anything to those that don't observe those holidays, and if any culture/race/religion has the option have having something placed there, than what difference does it make. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 16:32:09 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 26 10:14:49 2004. Hanging a decoration of a menorah on Christmas is not being even-handed. It's being stupid, at least this year. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 16:37:22 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 15:01:36 2004. Jews pray -- speak to God -- thrice daily. Most of us are not on the spiritual level to be spoken to directly by God. Abraham and Sarah were. That doesn't mean He had a physical form.You don't have to listen to those silly notions, since you're not Jewish. I'm not trying to convert you; I'm just saying that Christian theology and Jewish theology conflict head-on. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 16:39:45 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 16:30:02 2004. But have you ever seen decorations on public property on Shavuot? Shavuot is a much, much more important Jewish holiday than Chanukah, and it is even customary to decorate (the shul, not the public square) on Shavuot. |
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Posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 18:07:06 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 16:37:22 2004. There is no God! The Faquisha that preaches to me saying how she talked to God and he changed the way she lives is a fucking psycho by my standards and by any reasonable person's standards as well. If there was no damn religion in the world, do you realize how many conflicts/wars would have been avoided? Do you realize how divided our country, and even world is because of religion? Give me a break. When you talk to God, has he ever responded verbally right back at you? When you encounter something in life, it is not because God has done it. It has a fucking logical explanation. Example: You find a 100 dollar bill on the ground and say it is a gift from God, thank you God... Reality: It was a windy day and some schmuck kept the bill free flowing in his coat pocket instead of inside his wallet. Example: Your students do well on a test and you think God is rewarding you for being a good teacher. Reality: The students understand the material that you are teaching them and have studied. |
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Posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 18:31:05 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 16:37:22 2004. Alright..I'll agree with you on that...But I have to know why is there conflict in the first place? It just doesn't make since... |
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Posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 18:35:13 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 18:07:06 2004. Right...just keep telling yourself that...You don't have to believe in him....nobody cares. For me ..it's all good. |
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Posted by Harry Beck on Sun Dec 26 18:38:09 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 18:35:13 2004. I like believe that most sensible people agree with Clayton. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 18:38:28 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by BMTLines on Sun Dec 26 16:12:29 2004. My mother is a Democrat, and my father is a Republican, I guess that makes me a Republicrat.Seriously though, in most circumstances, children do "follow by example", and follow in their parents footsteps when it comes to political views, although that is not as clear cut as "following their parent's religion" is. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 26 18:39:48 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 18:07:06 2004. The Faquisha that preaches.............Can you explain this to me? I've never heard the term. |
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Posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 18:45:48 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Train Dude on Sun Dec 26 18:39:48 2004. The term/name Faquisha is a generic woman who is overly ghetto, talks REALLY loudly for no purpose whatsoever, and goes out of her way to make trouble with other people who have done no harm to her at all. When High Schools get out, you can often hear them from the other end of a station platform if they are at one end. "AYO" "GET OVAH HEAH" "WHATCHU TALKIN BOUT" are all popular phrases heard at a distance of 600'. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 18:46:29 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 16:28:31 2004. I agree with that, and I never said that Christianity "is" Judaism, because that is clearly incorrect.However, it still does not deny the fact that Christianity is taken from Judaism. Whether they took all of it or not is irrelevant. They believe they took what they are supposed to, as Jesus stated, and obviously true Judaism doesn't agree with that. It's again, a conflict of an understanding of God. True Jews believe Christians are totally off the mark, Christians believe they took the right path. That is a conflict, and where the path diverged after Jesus, just as Muslims followed a different path after Mohammad a few centuries later. |
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Posted by BMT Dude on Sun Dec 26 18:51:01 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 18:07:06 2004. That sounds about right... |
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Posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 18:51:07 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 18:45:48 2004. You are the weakest link dude... |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Dec 26 18:55:20 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 18:51:07 2004. 8-) |
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Posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 18:56:41 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Harry Beck on Sun Dec 26 18:38:09 2004. So I gather that "you" are one of the sensible people?I find that Both you and Clayton are foolish... I also find that LOUD BLACK TEENAGERS have nothing to do with whether GOD exsist or not... not only that,but by labeling them by the AFRO-AMERICAN NAME make you and him asshole racist.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 19:02:12 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 15:34:07 2004. And like I said, it is part of the readings from the New Testament that day. I have not attended Jan 1st services in many years, but I do believe that is still part of the readings from the Bible that day (although it rotates every three years).I also remember somewhere (on a totally different occasion and time when it is read) the reason Christians are not required to circumcise, but can't find it right now. I believe it was Paul that covered the reason. I tried googling for it, but there is way too much crap on the internet regarding circumcision, and frankly I don't have enough interest in this to sift through all the crap on it, but obviously it is somewhere in Christian doctrine. |
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Posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 19:02:22 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Dec 23 16:11:59 2004. But how can that be[and to heck with your" this is not up for debate" crap]?"LET US GO DOWN,AND MAKE MAN....AFTER OUR OWN IMAGE...." If GOD WAS FOEMLESS..How could he have created man in his "likeness"...? Plus Jesus said that he did not come to DISPUTE the OLD TESTEMENT...but to ADD to it... It was the SCRIBES and the others that REJECTED him and his words.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 19:03:27 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 15:40:47 2004. Hey, that's pretty cool! |
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Posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 19:03:48 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 18:45:48 2004. YEAH? Then what does the term "JOEY" mean? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 19:04:27 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 15:44:27 2004. Hey, as you know, many people will do anything for an excuse to drink.... |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Dec 26 19:06:14 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 18:45:48 2004. Looks like you have issues... |
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Posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 19:06:51 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 18:45:48 2004. Also ..that sounds more like a Italian chick name "Marie".... |
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Posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 19:07:54 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by BIE on Sun Dec 26 19:06:14 2004. You telling me... |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Dec 26 19:08:46 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 16:37:22 2004. With all this fighting over religion I am going back to my roots - Hail Athena!!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 19:09:46 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 16:32:09 2004. Well obviously it would have been hung a few weeks earlier, and not literally meaning Christmas Day. |
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Posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 19:10:02 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by BMTLines on Sun Dec 26 19:08:46 2004. LOL..... |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Dec 26 19:13:24 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Harry Beck on Sun Dec 26 18:38:09 2004. You, clayton, wayne, and the rest of your bunch can go to hell. Nice job, taking out subtalk just when it was needed to fight the photoban. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 19:15:55 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 16:39:45 2004. Christmas is not a severely important holiday in the Christian religion either. It's the secular additions in this country that make it appear "very important".Easter is a much more important Christian holiday, and especially Good Friday, but you rarely see all the fuss made for Easter. Good Friday is the Holiest day of the year, and Easter is the most important day of the year in the Christian calendar. And the reason there is no fuss for Easter is because it's not the least bit important secularly (aside from some chocolate manufacturers). Christmas gets the fuss not because it's really all that important of a Christian holiday, because it isn't half as important as other Christian holidays. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 19:17:56 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by David of Broadway on Sun Dec 26 15:23:41 2004. And in the same light I should be offended when I see the mockery that has been made out of Christmas what with all the materialism and the flying sleds etc. That's not Christmas, that's marketing for business. |
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Posted by Harry Beck on Sun Dec 26 19:20:01 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by vengence on Sun Dec 26 18:56:41 2004. What did I ever say about black youth? |
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Posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 19:21:33 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by BIE on Sun Dec 26 19:13:24 2004. I was one of the fucking organizers of the protest, were you even there?! |
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Posted by BIE on Sun Dec 26 19:23:35 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Clayton on Sun Dec 26 19:21:33 2004. SubTalk WAS our voice... |
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Posted by BMTLines on Sun Dec 26 19:28:43 2004, in response to Re: No, It's the Liberal Secularists, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Dec 26 19:15:55 2004. And the reason there is no fuss for Easter is because it's not the least bit important secularly (aside from some chocolate manufacturers).The bottom line is that Easter cannot be exploited commercially the way Christmas has been and will continue to be... 1. Easter shopping - doesn't work because exchange of gifts is not an Easter Tradition. Billions of dollars are spent each year on Christmas gifts. What amazes me is how the Christmas shopping season has crept earlier and earlier each year. I saw Christmas decorations for sale in one store this year beginning from the end of AUGUST! When I was a kid they didn't start selling Christmas stuff until November. 2. Easter Cards - I never got one of those... On the other hand Christmas Cards are an industry unto themselves. 3. Christmas decorations - a good artificial tree with all the trimmings can run several hundred dollars or more.. Add to that outdoor decorations, lights in the windows, etc and some households spend thousands. |
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