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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 00:58:58 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:00:03 2011. No, it's not. THE REST OF US DO NOT WANT TO PRACTICE YOUR RELIGION AND OUR CONSTITUTION GIVES US THAT RIGHT! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:00:05 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 23:34:25 2011. What? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:01:49 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:05:21 2011. Fasting and prayer=RELIGION. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS NON-RELIGIOUS PRAYER! It doesn't matter which religion it is. The government should not favor religion to irreligion (or vice versa). Not making any comments regarding fasting and prayer does not favor irreligion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:03:55 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:08:05 2011. How is St. Peter's Church part of the history of what happened there? The cross was only there because they needed a place to keep it. It should stay there permanently. Given that people believe that Park Place is part of "Ground Zero" (see the mosque), then Church between Barclay and Vesey is "Ground Zero" enough to host the cross. |
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Posted by The Silence on Thu Jul 28 01:03:58 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 00:58:58 2011. what are the first five words of the first amendment..? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 28 01:04:22 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 00:55:58 2011. Precisely. The religious issue could be solved easily by providing for ALL religions. But the vote is already in on ONE, so fuggem. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:04:59 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:31:49 2011. Then keep the cross at St. Peter's which also had dust from the attacks. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:05:28 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:10:11 2011. Try joining a religious minority (a real one) and see what it's like. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 28 01:07:25 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:00:05 2011. Practice of ... I was assuming we ALL had the right to be hypocrites. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 28 01:09:24 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:03:55 2011. I wasn't aware of that part of the story. That would actually work. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 28 01:13:17 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:05:28 2011. you can't join Judaism, if that's the religious minority you mean. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:15:30 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by The Silence on Thu Jul 28 00:07:17 2011. A religion is a system of beliefs in a supernatural order that controls the universe. Atheism is the lack of said belief.Atheism is the only belief system which is actually based in facts. The others either ignore facts, or mold some made-up belief around known facts. Whether or not there is a god is an answerable question, just as we can answer the question of how old the universe is (to within a certain accuracy). That was once impossible. We can't assume that something that we can't figure out now can never be figured out, given an increasing level of knowledge of the mysteries of the universe. The problem with "proving god doesn't exist" is that you can't just come up with a baseless assertion and then expect someone to disprove it. It is reasonable to assume that that which can't be proven does not exist, or actually is highly unlikely to exist. Or as Bertrand Russell stated: Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense. If, however, the existence of such a teapot were affirmed in ancient books, taught as the sacred truth every Sunday, and instilled into the minds of children at school, hesitation to believe in its existence would become a mark of eccentricity and entitle the doubter to the attentions of the psychiatrist in an enlightened age or of the Inquisitor in an earlier time. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:21:05 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by The Silence on Thu Jul 28 00:58:45 2011. In what way? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:21:40 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 28 01:07:25 2011. I don't think he was complaining that Obama is a hypocrite for paying lip service to religion. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:22:19 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by The Silence on Thu Jul 28 01:03:58 2011. My point exactly. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:22:43 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:22:19 2011. Actually my point was about free exercise, NOT establishment but that fits here as well. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 28 01:23:32 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:21:40 2011. I was on another tangent - that Obama is irreligious and therefore a hypocrite. You're on a different path. It happens. :) |
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Posted by Dand124 on Thu Jul 28 01:24:06 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:21:40 2011. Selkirk is calling Chris a hypocrite because Chris objected to Selkirk’s political rant in the alcohol thread while posting about Obama in this one. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:27:05 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 28 01:13:17 2011. Sure you can. It's called conversion.But that's not really what I was talking about. It's mainly about being non-Christian. Whether Jew, Muslim, Atheist, whatever. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:28:02 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Thu Jul 28 01:24:06 2011. But this is a political thread. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 01:57:50 2011, in response to Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 27 13:13:16 2011. Is atheism and douchebaggery mutually inclusive?It appears so since you've said here that you don't believe in God. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 01:58:41 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 28 01:13:17 2011. you can't join Judaism,FALSE!! My cousin did. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 02:05:55 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 00:58:58 2011. No one's asking you to. And the Constitution ALSO guarantees no interference in the practice of religion. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 02:06:52 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:22:19 2011. You are missing something. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 02:06:56 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jul 27 13:15:57 2011. I was in one of the Pentagon's cafeterias shortly after 9/11/01.It was the one closest to the site of the attack. I had some pancakes and lo and behold, I looked down on it and there was the image of the Holy Virgin Mary staring at me!! I realize now, that instead of eating Her, I should have placed it at the reconstruction site so they Our Lady could have been preserved in Perpetutiy. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 02:08:04 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:15:30 2011. Great post! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 28 02:08:32 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 02:05:55 2011. What is it with US leftists and their wishing for the wording of the Soviet Union's constitution to be in the US constitution?
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 02:08:43 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 28 01:23:32 2011. ?????????????????????????????????????/Yes, you were on a tangent, as that's not what I said at all. You have to stop with YOUR preconceived notions of what people say, as lately every post people make you read your own crap into it, and then make it out as THEY said it, when it's you reading your CRAP into it. This is happening constantly with you lately. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 28 02:09:35 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 02:08:43 2011. as lately every post people make you read your own crap into it, and then make it out as THEY said itHe's been doing that for a number of years, not just "lately". |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 02:09:50 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 02:05:55 2011. A religious symbol on a government-owned site IS interference. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 02:10:39 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:28:02 2011. Yes, but I didn't say nor mean what HE read into it. Selkirk is on a tear lately towards anything I say, as I disagree with his views on politics. Don't know why, but it's just about every topic I participate in lately. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 02:12:14 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:01:49 2011. The government should not favor religion to irreligionThat's not what the constitution says. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 02:13:24 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 27 13:29:46 2011. shit like this is what will create our version of the Oslo Killer.So we should back down to potential terrorists? That's the America you want? One that is afraid to anger nutcases and terrorists? No wonder we're finished as a country. You are everything that is wrong with this country. because of people like you, our troops in Afghanistan are dying in vain. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 02:14:01 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:04:59 2011. But the metal didn't come from St Peters, it came from the WTC. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 02:15:04 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 27 13:36:01 2011. Nope.Loughner was never the respected, well-spoken and well-adjusted former leader of America's version of Hitler Youth. Keep trying. It might dawn on you one day. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 02:15:31 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 01:05:28 2011. I have no DESIRE to join any religion. I don't have much use for organized religion. And it's not my or anyone else's fault that you are whatever religion you are. Don't take it out on others if you are upset. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 02:19:22 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 27 15:37:36 2011. Chris graduated from the Christine O'Donnell School of Law. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 28 02:20:20 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 01:58:41 2011. He thinks he did. He may go to synagogue, but he's not Jewish. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 02:20:52 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 02:09:50 2011. No it isn't. It's actually the opposite, allowing the free practice. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu Jul 28 02:21:47 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 02:06:56 2011. You should have sold it on eBay |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 02:21:51 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 27 16:39:44 2011. Your pathetically ignorant self never heard of the 14th Amendement and Incorporation. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Thu Jul 28 02:24:58 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 02:06:56 2011. you should have sold on Ebay idiots will pay a lot of money for stuff like that. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 02:25:26 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 27 13:34:50 2011. I don't have a problem with religion, just one particular faith. That's what this guy said He didn't stop at that one particular faith.  |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 02:28:25 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:03:36 2011. I'm sure my sister-in-law would find your statement interesting.I have no doubt that your Jesus beats her Jesus' ass. I'm sure that Congregationalists and Dutch Reformed practitioners would find your staement just as curious. No doubt that they are also praying to a false Jesus. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 28 02:30:19 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 02:13:24 2011. People like me? I'm just telling the truth if that's what you mean. Atheist groups are pushing too hard. This story is an example. So is the billboard at the Lincoln Tunnel at Christmas. Obviously at some point someone will answer back and the atheists won't like it, because it will most likely be a violent response. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 02:33:37 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Train Dude on Wed Jul 27 16:51:20 2011. good to know that you are the ultimate authority on who is Christian and who is not. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 02:34:28 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 02:28:25 2011. I haven't been to church in over 5 years, I have no "your" Jesus.I don't care what "your sister in law" worships, nor do I care if what she worships is "higher or lower" than what I worship, as her fictional entity can do whatever it wants to my fictional entity.I also don't care what "Congregationalist or Dutch reformed" think either. And they can worship any "Jesus" they want, that is the right given in this country. As for Obama, my opinion stands, he worships whatever is convenient at the time. A Community organizer needs to be a part of a Black supremest sort of church he belonged to, as that's what he was doing at the time. Today, while he doesn't really care about religion (which is fine), it suits him to occasionally put on the illusion like he does care. Many presidents have done that, not just Obama. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 28 02:35:38 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jul 28 02:30:19 2011. btw- The Lincoln Tunnel billboard at Christmas was clearly trying to provoke violence. They are trying to create a US version of the Oslo Killer to advance their agenda. They'd would love it. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Jul 28 02:37:34 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 27 16:43:41 2011. So is labeling Catholics and mainline Protestants according to those who believe in the Bahhhh-bull.Not to be confuses with the actual Bible. When we become a Christian nation, you'll be among the first to become a second-class subject unless you embrace the lord of the Bahhhh-bull. (again, not to be confused with the actual Bible). The Baaaah-bull believers have clearly stated that one cannot be an American if he/she is not Christian (the Falwell/Robertson version of Christianity of course). |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jul 28 02:38:42 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jul 28 02:10:39 2011. Not just you ... any republican crap. Some day I'll explain but I am beyond "livid" with my options lately, and it's all a continuation of what I've gone through since Bush. There's a reason for our extreme pissoff but I'm not going to go into it here. |
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