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Posted by Dand124 on Wed Jul 27 20:36:54 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by AlM on Wed Jul 27 15:24:31 2011. If you shoot at me and I shoot back and kill a child, it may be recklessness but it's not murder.Since none of countries were at war with attacked us your analogy doesn't work. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 21:48:23 2011, in response to Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 27 13:13:16 2011. I hope they win. That cross is DEEPLY OFFENSIVE. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 21:48:43 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 20:13:08 2011. BULLSHIT! Not everyone is a Christian. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 21:49:17 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by The Silence on Wed Jul 27 14:30:49 2011. Bullshit. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 21:49:29 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 20:23:42 2011. FALSE. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 21:51:20 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by JayMan on Wed Jul 27 13:26:46 2011. I wouldn't. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 21:53:10 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 21:48:43 2011. At the risk of setting off another brushfire, there is a political party dedicated to *making* you one, and it's a major. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 21:55:35 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 27 13:39:38 2011. It would because they are putting this coincidental piece of metal in a position of prominence over any symbols of other religions. Because you people believe that your symbols are the best in the world and everyone should find comfort in them. That violates free exercise more than anything. Why should the loved ones of non-Christians who died at the WTC have to endure another example of Christians believing that everything is better for everyone and not just them through a 2000 year-old lynched Jew? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 21:57:31 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 27 13:33:33 2011. There is nothing uplifting and noble about it. It is a clear and obvious religious symbol. The only reason why you people find it uplifting and notable is that of all the right angles in the World Trade Center, that one happened to be proportioned in a way resembling the symbol of your religion.It is an obvious endorsement of one religion over another. This piece of shit should have been melted down with all the other beams. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 21:59:27 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 27 13:41:43 2011. 
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 22:00:27 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 20:26:00 2011. Which wouldn't be a problem if it were on private property. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Wed Jul 27 22:02:14 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 20:26:00 2011. yet you have no problem with the British Embassy in Washington. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 22:02:22 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 20:17:58 2011. Then keep it at St. Peter's Church. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 22:03:34 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 27 14:49:00 2011. As the President of the United States he should not be calling for fasting and prayer. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 22:05:06 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Wed Jul 27 20:36:54 2011. Its de facto government harboring the terrorists that did attack is tantamount to attacking. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 22:05:14 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 20:17:58 2011. How about a nice Mosque?You KNOW we had to since one religion is another ... |
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Posted by Dand124 on Wed Jul 27 22:10:40 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 22:05:06 2011. Since the FBI has actively harbored mobsters would someone who has been a victim of these mobsters be justified if they murdered FBI agents?Not all the nations were at war with have governments that actively harbor terrorists; in fact only one does. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 22:40:34 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Wed Jul 27 22:10:40 2011. I was referring only to that one, not the other one.The FBI harbors mobsters for the purpose of going after worse mobsters. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Wed Jul 27 22:44:01 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 22:40:34 2011. The FBI harbors mobsters for the purpose of going after worse mobsters.you obviously know nothing about the Whitey Bulger case. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 22:46:56 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Wed Jul 27 22:44:01 2011. I never said it's perfect. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 22:59:32 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 21:53:10 2011. You know how I feel about "religion", but that said, I see nothing wrong with having the crossbar of steel at the site. It comforted a lot of people in the days after the disaster, and stood there while it was all going on. It's as much a part of the history of that time as any of the fire trucks or whatever other relics are there. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:00:03 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 21:49:29 2011. I dont agree. This is one of those cases. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:03:36 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 27 14:48:35 2011. The church he goes to know isn't Christian; certainly his prior church wasn't Christian. My personal opinion is that he's irreligious; not atheist, but just doesn't think about it except for political gain.Yes I agree. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:05:21 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 22:03:34 2011. Sure he can, so long as he isn't saying by which religion it should be done. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:05:52 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Wed Jul 27 20:36:54 2011. False. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:08:05 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 22:02:22 2011. The crossbar during that time is just a part of the history of what happened there as "St Peter's CHurch" is a part of what happened there that day. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:09:40 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Wed Jul 27 22:02:14 2011. No, as we have diplomatic relationship with GB, and Washington is where our government activities take place. We have a Mexican one too, and one for every country we were at war with. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:10:11 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 21:48:23 2011. LOL. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Wed Jul 27 23:14:32 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:09:40 2011. And the Muslims building the mosque are US citizens and building a place of worship just like Christians, Jews, Buddhists and everyone else does. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:18:31 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Wed Jul 27 23:14:32 2011. Sure, but it wasn't Christians, Jews, Buddhists that flew planes into buildings. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Wed Jul 27 23:21:40 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:18:31 2011. and it wasn't the Mexicans who burned down Washington it was the British but you don't object to the British Embassy there. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 23:23:33 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 22:59:32 2011. Crucifixes can be just as offensive to Jews as a Mosque would be to you. My OWN attitude is that religion is between the individual and their God, and those that flaunt their religion are hypocrites. So while I'm officially ambivalent myself, I can see others will be offended by it. I think that surviving staircase is more poignant than the cross, but I guess that's just me. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 23:24:50 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:03:36 2011. I thought "politicizing" things was a bad thing ... consider the idiocy here. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:25:06 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Wed Jul 27 23:21:40 2011. Yes, I do, as that's where our government functions, in Washington, and we have diplomatic relationships with Britain, as we should. The WTC site isn't our government center, and there is no need for embassies at the WTC site, just as there's no need for a Japanese Cultural Center at Pearl Harbor. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 23:26:48 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:05:21 2011. So what then if the President told Americans to spin scrolls and bang gongs in their memory? After all, that's a major religion too. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:28:25 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 23:23:33 2011. There's a huge difference between a Crucifix and this crossbeam.I think that surviving staircase is more poignant than the cross, but I guess that's just me. And that's there too, as well as all the other artifacts. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:29:46 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 23:24:50 2011. I wasn't the one that brought up Obama. Neither was who I was responding to. But since he was brought up, yes, I agree he is is basically irreligious, and only uses religion when it suits whatever he's doing. How is that bad to say? |
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Posted by Dand124 on Wed Jul 27 23:30:36 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:25:06 2011. The mosque isn't at the WTC site its blocks away and you’re outraged by it. How far away should it be the Muslim residents of NYC have a right to build houses of worship? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 23:30:51 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:28:25 2011. Sorry ... we're KEEPING the fire truck. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:31:49 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Dand124 on Wed Jul 27 23:30:36 2011. If it collected dust and had ENGINE parts thrown through it's roof, as that location did, it's "too close". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:32:57 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 23:26:48 2011. Don't know what that means. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 23:34:25 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:29:46 2011. Hypocrisy is solely for the right. Got it, check. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 23:38:06 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:32:57 2011. "Free expression thereof" ... Christianity is only one of those ... 
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:43:30 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 23:38:06 2011. If the Buddists had something that played prominently in the days following 911, let them bring it, be my guest. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Wed Jul 27 23:46:44 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:31:49 2011. Why is that too close it’s not like these Muslims are the ones who launched the attack, you’re playing guilt by association. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 23:52:58 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:43:30 2011. But we were talking about a President putting THEIR religion ahead of yours. Betcha there'd be as much butthurt as though they were Muslims. |
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Posted by The Silence on Thu Jul 28 00:07:17 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 21:49:17 2011. A religon is a system of beliefs. Athiests beleave there is no God. Atheisum is as much based in facts as any other system of belief, because they all center around an answerless question. I can't prove God exists, just as much as they can't prove He doesn't. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 00:55:58 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 27 23:23:33 2011. Good post. I'm sure that if some Satan-worshippers were comforted by a pentagram found at the site, the Christians would be up in arms about putting a pentagram into the memorial. It's only OK when it's THEIR symbol. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jul 28 00:57:34 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 27 23:28:25 2011. Although it's not a crucifix, it is a cross and AFAIAC is a symbol of Christianity and belongs nowhere on a public memorial. |
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Posted by The Silence on Thu Jul 28 00:58:45 2011, in response to Re: Those atheists are at it again, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jul 27 21:49:29 2011. funny, you're acting not too far off from one yourself at the moment. |
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