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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 23 03:11:53 2011 That's what two law professors think he can do. Their reasoning, for law professors, is very shaky. Their misinterpretation of what Lincoln did in terms of suspending habeas corpus (not illegal) speaks against their supposed professionalism. They're calling for giving unprecedented power to the executive.NY Times (shocking, ain't it?)
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 23 03:14:38 2011, in response to Obama should raise the debt ceiling unilaterally on his own?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 23 03:11:53 2011. He already asked the Supremes. Nope. This one's on your guys. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 23 03:23:46 2011, in response to Obama should raise the debt ceiling unilaterally on his own?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 23 03:11:53 2011. It's actually Mitch McConnell who is talking about giving unprecedented powers to the Executive.He wants to officially give the President that power through legislation. As for Obama, he has plenty of choices. On Aug 3, he decides what gets paid and what doesn't. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 23 03:26:53 2011, in response to Re: Obama should raise the debt ceiling unilaterally on his own?, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 23 03:23:46 2011. Best part is something I heard on milnet earlier. On August 3, we're no longer at war. Let everyone else deal with the Muslims, we're folding. Boy is that gonna cause butthurt for the GOP. "We're broke, we're going home." :) |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 23 03:36:56 2011, in response to Re: Obama should raise the debt ceiling unilaterally on his own?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 23 03:26:53 2011. Yep.The good part is that the servicemembers and retirees will still get paid. The 14th Amendments DOES declare that "bounties" payments shall not be questioned. As for other things, as the article states Brunnhilde, is getting warmed up and SHE's BLACK!!! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 23 03:43:13 2011, in response to Re: Obama should raise the debt ceiling unilaterally on his own?, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 23 03:36:56 2011. Indeed. Now that I've paid attention and am in the clear no matter what comes down, I've got the popcorn popper ready as the loyal opposition has to face their own music.Obama and Geitner now decide who's going to get paid and who isn't and Social Security, medicare and medicaid WON'T. But we've got the parent's back while this goes on. Anyone who thought Minnesota was a hoot ain't seen NOTHING yet. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 23 04:32:56 2011, in response to Re: Obama should raise the debt ceiling unilaterally on his own?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 23 03:43:13 2011. If I were in America on Aug 2, I'd throw a Default Party.Kinda like the Rapture Parties of a couple of months ago, except this is for real. Can't to it here. Bad form. They wouldn't get it anyway. Truth be told, I'm really a borderline anarchist at heart. Always was. I've always believed in the cleansing power of the markets (all of it, supply, B2B, consumer and labor side) and the intrinsic cycles of life and death of all forms of governments who should all have expiration dates fixed into their Constitutions. Even the best governments cease to function properly after a while. Power and self-serving elites adopt to them and always have the upper hand no matter what form they take. They all become decrepit, wither and die eventually. In the meantime, party on: This one is for Olog |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 23 04:45:08 2011, in response to Re: Obama should raise the debt ceiling unilaterally on his own?, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jul 23 04:32:56 2011. I still can't believe that as a nation, we're THIS stupid. But then again, I thought so in 2001 as well. :( |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jul 23 10:19:30 2011, in response to Obama should raise the debt ceiling unilaterally on his own?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 23 03:11:53 2011. I think he should continue spending the country into armageddon and unilaterally invade as many countries as he can.As if he hadn't. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 23 10:23:27 2011, in response to Re: Obama should raise the debt ceiling unilaterally on his own?, posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jul 23 10:19:30 2011. LOL, still thinkin we invaded Libya?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jul 23 10:58:54 2011, in response to Re: Obama should raise the debt ceiling unilaterally on his own?, posted by Fred G on Sat Jul 23 10:23:27 2011. Libya? That's five invasions ago!With the amount of money that was spent, we better of. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 23 11:29:11 2011, in response to Re: Obama should raise the debt ceiling unilaterally on his own?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 23 03:26:53 2011. Packing up Iraq completely and leaving would be the best thing we could possibly do. We never had any business there to begin with. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 23 12:30:25 2011, in response to Obama should raise the debt ceiling unilaterally on his own?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 23 03:11:53 2011. This has already been shot down by others, he does not have the power:http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/170555-legality-of-14th-amendment-solution-under-fire If he tried it, he'd risk censure and possible impeachment. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jul 23 13:05:22 2011, in response to Re: Obama should raise the debt ceiling unilaterally on his own?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 23 12:30:25 2011. I don't buy it, he's spent his 2 years doing things he doesn't have the power for, and avoiding censure and impeachment. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 23 13:48:23 2011, in response to Re: Obama should raise the debt ceiling unilaterally on his own?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jul 23 12:30:25 2011. What do you want from Harvard and University of Chicago law professors, actual defense of the Constitution? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 23 16:19:54 2011, in response to Re: Obama should raise the debt ceiling unilaterally on his own?, posted by bingbong on Sat Jul 23 11:29:11 2011. Saddam tried to kill Bush's daddy ... reason enough. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jul 23 16:21:05 2011, in response to Re: Obama should raise the debt ceiling unilaterally on his own?, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jul 23 13:48:23 2011. Maybe you should read ours some time. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 31 01:13:33 2011, in response to Re: Obama should raise the debt ceiling unilaterally on his own?, posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jul 23 13:05:22 2011. He had both houses on his side then. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jul 31 04:07:58 2011, in response to Re: Obama should raise the debt ceiling unilaterally on his own?, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 31 01:13:33 2011. Ignore the republican filibusters, eh? |
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