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Spanish government advisor slams German "colonialism" in Euro crisis

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 23:32:18 2011

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They sure aren't going to like José Ignacio Torreblanca calling the EU as controlled by the country at the top "blatantly racist", and his words against the "new Germany" are pretty harsh.

Rebellion of the Elites

2011/05/19

A Spanish government advisor has sharply criticized German dictate in the Euro crisis. In a recent press article, José Ignacio Torreblanca, director of the Madrid office of the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR), declared that some states, "led by Germany" are using the crisis to impose their economic model on other sovereign EU members. If this continues, the European Union will end up being, in the eyes of many Europeans, what the International Monetary Fund was for many Asian and Latin American countries in the 1980s and 1990s: a tool for the imposition of socially devastating economic measures, risking the "end of Europe." The German chancellor's demand, yesterday, that Greece and other Southern European countries significantly raise their retirement ages, serves as a confirmation of Torreblanca's criticism. The expert in Madrid expressed the suspicion that in light of its booming business, particularly with China, the south of Europe is seen as a hindrance to economic growth, that Berlin is no longer against throwing overboard. Torreblanca warns against a "new Germany," whose elites are in the process of losing their previous interest in Europe.

Torreblanca's article was published in the weekend edition of El País, Spain's largest daily and an English translation is also available.[1] Torreblanca is a professor at Madrid's Universidad Nacional de Educación a Distancia (UNED); he has headed the Madrid office of the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR) since 2007 and, previous to this appointment, was employed at the Spanish capital's renowned Elcano Royal Institute for International Affairs. In his article, he shows a great deal of sympathy for European integration — and warns that a policy, such as is promoted by Germany, would be seriously detrimental to the EU.

Admiration and Jealousy

Torreblanca recalls that a mere ten years ago, European integration was still in a powerful upswing. With the Euro, a common currency was introduced. With the Lisbon strategy, Brussels sought, within a few years, to become the most dynamic economic region in the world. A common foreign policy was initiated; even in the realm of domestic policy, further steps were initiated toward communitarization, including the incorporation of Eastern and Southeastern European nations, as well as Cyprus and Malta into the EU. All these activities were supposed to be crowned with an EU Constitution, which, even with minor concessions, but essentially identical to the Lisbon Treaty, could finally be passed. At that time, talk of Europe did "not provoke weariness or indifference, but rather admiration and even, in Washington, Beijing and Moscow, unconcealed jealousy."2

Blatantly Racist

Torreblanca considers that the previous euphoric mood has turned completely sour. In numerous European countries, recently for example in Sweden and Finland, xenophobic forces have gained ground in elections; some have crossed the line from xenophobia to a blatantly racist discourse. Torreblanca uses the example of "Thilo Sarrazin."3 In the discourse introduced by Sarrazin, one speaks of the "inferior intelligence of Muslims" dangerously evoking memories of how "the Nazis spoke of Jews, blacks and Slavs as 'Untermenschen'" (inferior human beings). The "values of tolerance and openness" are in doubt or even in retreat. The European response, in the face of the expulsion of Romanian Gypsies from France, was just as weak as that to the excesses regarding freedom of the press in the Hungarian Constitution or the "harassment of irregular immigrants in Italy." One can "expect little" from the EU in the form of humanism.

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Torreblaca sharply criticizes Berlin, in particular. Some states, "led by Germany", are using the Euro crisis to impose their economic model on other sovereign EU members. Those countries hardest hit are to be forced to comply with stringent austerity measures. These "solutions" are "presented hand-in-hand with moralizing and condescending preaching" — as if the deficit or surplus of a country reflected the "moral superiority or inferiority of a whole group of human beings." This version of the crisis must be contested, writes Torreblanca, it "risks the end of Europe." It threatens not only to totally strangle the national economies in question,4 but also damage the concerned population's perception — because, if the European Union only imposes austerity programs, it will end up being in the eyes of many Europeans, what the International Monetary Fund was for many Asian and Latin American countries in the 1980s and 1990s: a tool for the imposition of socially devastating economic measures that lack any democratic legitimacy. It could be that this method "works," but the EU will suffer from "a severe democratic and identity deficit," warns Torreblanca.

Pure Colonialism

As if to provide confirmation of this warning, the German chancellor announced Wednesday that the countries of Southern Europe must immediately raise their retirement ages. "It is not only a question," declared Merkel, "that people in countries such as Greece, Spain, Portugal should not go on retirement earlier than in Germany, but also that everyone must make the same effort."5 Berlin has decided to raise the retirement age in Germany from 65 to 67. The countries in Southern Europe, according to Berlin, must follow suit. Hefty protests are being raised over this most recent German meddling. "That is pure colonialism," the president of the Portuguese CGTP trade union confederation is quoted as having said.6 At the same time, the Greek government is giving in to German pressure — and has commissioned the Deutsche Bank to "advise" it in the privatization of Greek state property. Greece has been forced, primarily under German pressure,7 to privatize €50 billion worth of state property by 2015.

A New Germany

Torreblanca expressed the suspicion that the "new Germany" is losing interest in Europe, not least of all because of its booming business relations with Asia, particularly with China. This is relativizing the role of the EU — exports to China are on the verge of surpassing exports to France8 — and, in Germany, is promoting the image of southern Europe being a "hindrance to growth." Whereas one usually is confronted with Euro-skeptical tendencies among the population, in the case of Germany, there is also, what could be called "a rebellion of the elites," where the EU no longer plays its previous role in their plans. "Can Europe break apart?" asks Torreblanca and answers: "yes, of course it can." The Spanish government advisor leaves no doubt about his holding Berlin, in particular, responsible for whether a break-up occurs or not. Germany, which had pursued European integration as long as it had served as an instrument for attaining global player status,9 will decide whether this instrument is still useful — or if it can be easily discarded.
  1. José Ignacio Torreblanca: Cinco razones por las que Europa se resquebraja; www.elpais.com 15.05.2011. José Ignacio Torreblanca: Five reasons why Europe is cracking; www.elpais.com 15.05.2011
  2. Zitate hier und im Folgenden: José Ignacio Torreblanca: Five reasons why Europe is cracking; www.elpais.com 15.05.2011
  3. see also Herrschaftsreserve
  4. seee also From the Crisis, Into the Crisis
  5. Merkel fordert einheitliches Rentenalter; www.faz.net 18.05.2011
  6. Alarm im Club Med; www.spiegel.de 18.05.2011. Laut Angaben der EU beträgt das tatsächliche Renteneintrittsalter gegenwärtig in Griechenland 61,5 Jahre, in Deutschland 62,2 Jahre, in Spanien 62,3 Jahre und in Portugal 62,6 Jahre.
  7. see also Steil abwärts
  8. see also Intensifying the Pressure
  9. see also The will to world power and Potential of a World Power



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Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis

Posted by SMAZ on Tue May 24 23:56:06 2011, in response to Spanish government advisor slams German "colonialism" in Euro crisis, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 23:32:18 2011.

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Everytime you post a stupid article from german-foreign-policy.com, Umberto Bossi kills another Rom.

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Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis

Posted by vfrt on Wed May 25 11:10:18 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by SMAZ on Tue May 24 23:56:06 2011.

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But how does southern europe get out of this mess? Current situation can't go on forever. And isn't Germany paying for other EU countries (Greece, Spain) mistakes?

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Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 25 11:44:00 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by vfrt on Wed May 25 11:10:18 2011.

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how does southern europe get out of this mess?

They don't, and that's the way the German elites like it. Look at their attitudes towards the situation.

And isn't Germany paying for other EU countries (Greece, Spain) mistakes?

What mistakes are those . . . ? If you mean joining the eurozone, then yes, that was a huge mistake, since it eats their sovereignty, which Germany can now buy up for "cent" on the euro.

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Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis

Posted by JayMan on Wed May 25 14:28:04 2011, in response to Spanish government advisor slams German "colonialism" in Euro crisis, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 23:32:18 2011.

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The Germans sit with the advantage of a robust manufacturing base and that in turn makes their economy stronger than all the other Europeans countries. As the ones will the money, they have most clout. We are seeing the friction that inevitably follows from it.

I will note that southern Europeans do have slightly lower IQ's than their northern counterparts and a much laxer work ethic. That their economies would be less robust is perhaps to be expected.

One other quibble author of the article: people from Muslim countries are less intelligent, on average, than Europeans. It is not racist to make that claim, but then the Europeans I suppose have a long way to go before they will be OK with such things.

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Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis

Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 25 17:06:00 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by JayMan on Wed May 25 14:28:04 2011.

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I will note that southern Europeans do have slightly lower IQ's than their northern counterparts and a much laxer work ethic.

False.
The IQ of people in Italy is surpassed only by those in 5 East Asian countries/entities and in equal to that of Germany, Austria and the Netherlands and higher than all other northern European countries.

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Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis

Posted by JayMan on Wed May 25 17:29:00 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 25 17:06:00 2011.

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That is wrong. I don't have a free link to the paper, but I have Richard Lynn's updated national IQ's. In it he gives a value of 96 for Italy's average IQ and notes a 10 point decline from north to south. A large study using a Progressive Matrices test (N > 5,000) given to 18-year-olds in Sicily found an average IQ of 90 there.

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Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis

Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 25 17:49:44 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by JayMan on Wed May 25 17:29:00 2011.

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Doesn't matter since most of Italy's population is in the north anyway.

It's roughly 50% North, 20% Center and 30% South and Islands.

Measuring 18 year-old Sicilians is also irrelevant since Sicily contains only about 7% of Italy's population.

It's like basing the IQ of the US on 18 year olds from the Pacific Northwest.

Also a decline from North to South destroys the notion that Africans have on average a lesser IQ than whites since over 80% of Italy's immigrant population is in the north and immigrants as a whole make up 7.5% of Italy's population meaning that they are in the 20% territory in the north while being of a statistically negligible % in the south.



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Posted by JayMan on Wed May 25 19:55:47 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 25 17:49:44 2011.

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Regional IQs in Italy:
LocationNAgeTest IQ ..........Reference...........
Florence 2462 11–16 SPM 103 Tesi and Young (1962)
Pisa 500 6–11 CPM 103 Prunetti (1985)
Pisa 459 7–11CPM 99 Prunetti et al. (1996)
Genoa 600 6–11 CPM 95 Galeazzi et al. (1979)
Rome 1350 Adults CCF 102 Buj (1981)
Sicily 5370 18 CCF 90 Pace and Sprini (1998)

Note: SPM: Standard Progressive Matrices; CPM: Coloured Progressive
Matrices; CCF: Cattell Culture Fair.

(I goofed on the type of test used in Sicily in my previous post. My apologies).

Lynn breaks this down and explains each test's results here (sorry there is no free link, I have the full text), particularly the test for Sicily. As well, Lynn uses the PISA and scores from an internet IQ test:

Region IQ-InternetIQ-PISA
Trentino 102.2 101
Friuli-Venezia 104.5 103
Veneto 102.2 101
Lombardy 101.1 100
Piedmont 97.4 100
Emilia Romagna 99.8 100
Liguria 96.7 97
Tuscany 98.8
Marche 103.0
Umbria 98.4
Lazio 97.3
Abruzzo 98.9 92
Molise 96.7
Puglia 95.5 91
Campania 92.6 92
Basilicata 97.8 92
Calabria 93.1
Sardinia 93.5 90
Sicily 91.8 89


The scores from both match pretty well, indicating a general decline in IQ from north to south (of course, normally I wouldn't trust an internet IQ score to gauge any one individual's IQ, but it is valid for looking at the relative differences in a group—in this case, the residents of Italy).

Also a decline from North to South destroys the notion that Africans have on average a lesser IQ than whites since over 80% of Italy's immigrant population is in the north and immigrants as a whole make up 7.5% of Italy's population meaning that they are in the 20% territory in the north while being of a statistically negligible % in the south.

According to this, of that ~7% population that consists of non-Italians only 2.69% consists of non-white, non-Chinese immigrants (and I think we can assume that a good portion of the non-Chinese Asians are other East Asians). As such their impact on the IQ scores of the various regions would be negligible.

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Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis

Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 26 01:55:59 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by JayMan on Wed May 25 19:55:47 2011.

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The "regional IQs" in that first chart are anything but.

there is only one region listed.
The rest are not only just cities but cities with major academic, medical, governmental and cultural institutions which attract and retain the smartest people in the country (and their offspring).

It's like comparing the city of Boston with the whole State of Louisiana.

The other chart is also skewed because of the massive brain drain that occurs in poor Regions like Calabria, Sicily, Basilicata, etc.

The smartest ones move north, further boosting the average IQs of those regions while leaving the regions they left behind depressed.

Of all the people I went to middle school and high school in Puglia, with few exceptions the smartest ones left long ago.
Usually for university. Sometimes after.

They all live in places like Rome, Milan, Bologna, Padova and surroundings, etc, started families there and are never moving back.

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Posted by JayMan on Thu May 26 02:11:59 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 26 01:55:59 2011.

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Indeed, it easily could have been a northward brain drain that caused this difference, which is surely part of the reason (though probably not all of the reason) that the English have higher IQ's than the Scots and Irish. In Italy, what may have began as a tiny difference in IQ or perhaps only as a difference in development may have ballooned into a larger, more permanent difference in IQ as smarter people migrated away. This country suffers from a similar problem, which creates an issue of persistent poverty in some places.

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Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 26 02:14:58 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 26 01:55:59 2011.

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I did not know that you lived in Puglia.

My grandfather was born in Bari.

My father is Calabrese.

I am a real American.

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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 26 03:07:43 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 26 02:14:58 2011.

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I lived in the heel of the boot. The Salento.

I've been to some good concerts in Bari (about 90 minutes from where I lived).

It's a big city. Best large city in the South. Borderline world class. They even hosted the Champions League Final once.

Was your grandfather from the city of Bari itself or from the province?

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Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 26 03:24:15 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 26 03:07:43 2011.

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The city itself. He was born in 1914 and came to America as an infant. He had no memories of Italy.



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Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 19 01:16:28 2013, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 26 03:07:43 2011.

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They actually are from Palo de Colle.

Other side of family is from Calabria which as Jayman points out, has the lowest IQ.

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Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis

Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 19 01:16:28 2013, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 26 03:07:43 2011.

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They actually are from Palo de Colle.

Other side of family is from Calabria which as Jayman points out, has the lowest IQ.

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Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis

Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 15:57:16 2013, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 26 03:07:43 2011.

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Hey SMAZ, what's going on? It's good to see that I'm still a topic of discussion around here.

Actually, somehow I don't think that what readers will find if they look at that thread, though...

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