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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 23:32:18 2011 They sure aren't going to like José Ignacio Torreblanca calling the EU as controlled by the country at the top "blatantly racist", and his words against the "new Germany" are pretty harsh.
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue May 24 23:56:06 2011, in response to Spanish government advisor slams German "colonialism" in Euro crisis, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 23:32:18 2011. Everytime you post a stupid article from german-foreign-policy.com, Umberto Bossi kills another Rom. |
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Posted by vfrt on Wed May 25 11:10:18 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by SMAZ on Tue May 24 23:56:06 2011. But how does southern europe get out of this mess? Current situation can't go on forever. And isn't Germany paying for other EU countries (Greece, Spain) mistakes? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed May 25 11:44:00 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by vfrt on Wed May 25 11:10:18 2011. how does southern europe get out of this mess?They don't, and that's the way the German elites like it. Look at their attitudes towards the situation. And isn't Germany paying for other EU countries (Greece, Spain) mistakes? What mistakes are those . . . ? If you mean joining the eurozone, then yes, that was a huge mistake, since it eats their sovereignty, which Germany can now buy up for "cent" on the euro. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed May 25 14:28:04 2011, in response to Spanish government advisor slams German "colonialism" in Euro crisis, posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 24 23:32:18 2011. The Germans sit with the advantage of a robust manufacturing base and that in turn makes their economy stronger than all the other Europeans countries. As the ones will the money, they have most clout. We are seeing the friction that inevitably follows from it.I will note that southern Europeans do have slightly lower IQ's than their northern counterparts and a much laxer work ethic. That their economies would be less robust is perhaps to be expected. One other quibble author of the article: people from Muslim countries are less intelligent, on average, than Europeans. It is not racist to make that claim, but then the Europeans I suppose have a long way to go before they will be OK with such things. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 25 17:06:00 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by JayMan on Wed May 25 14:28:04 2011. I will note that southern Europeans do have slightly lower IQ's than their northern counterparts and a much laxer work ethic.False. The IQ of people in Italy is surpassed only by those in 5 East Asian countries/entities and in equal to that of Germany, Austria and the Netherlands and higher than all other northern European countries. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed May 25 17:29:00 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 25 17:06:00 2011. That is wrong. I don't have a free link to the paper, but I have Richard Lynn's updated national IQ's. In it he gives a value of 96 for Italy's average IQ and notes a 10 point decline from north to south. A large study using a Progressive Matrices test (N > 5,000) given to 18-year-olds in Sicily found an average IQ of 90 there. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 25 17:49:44 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by JayMan on Wed May 25 17:29:00 2011. Doesn't matter since most of Italy's population is in the north anyway.It's roughly 50% North, 20% Center and 30% South and Islands. Measuring 18 year-old Sicilians is also irrelevant since Sicily contains only about 7% of Italy's population. It's like basing the IQ of the US on 18 year olds from the Pacific Northwest. Also a decline from North to South destroys the notion that Africans have on average a lesser IQ than whites since over 80% of Italy's immigrant population is in the north and immigrants as a whole make up 7.5% of Italy's population meaning that they are in the 20% territory in the north while being of a statistically negligible % in the south. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed May 25 19:55:47 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by SMAZ on Wed May 25 17:49:44 2011.
Note: SPM: Standard Progressive Matrices; CPM: Coloured Progressive Matrices; CCF: Cattell Culture Fair. (I goofed on the type of test used in Sicily in my previous post. My apologies). Lynn breaks this down and explains each test's results here (sorry there is no free link, I have the full text), particularly the test for Sicily. As well, Lynn uses the PISA and scores from an internet IQ test:
The scores from both match pretty well, indicating a general decline in IQ from north to south (of course, normally I wouldn't trust an internet IQ score to gauge any one individual's IQ, but it is valid for looking at the relative differences in a group—in this case, the residents of Italy). Also a decline from North to South destroys the notion that Africans have on average a lesser IQ than whites since over 80% of Italy's immigrant population is in the north and immigrants as a whole make up 7.5% of Italy's population meaning that they are in the 20% territory in the north while being of a statistically negligible % in the south. According to this, of that ~7% population that consists of non-Italians only 2.69% consists of non-white, non-Chinese immigrants (and I think we can assume that a good portion of the non-Chinese Asians are other East Asians). As such their impact on the IQ scores of the various regions would be negligible. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 26 01:55:59 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by JayMan on Wed May 25 19:55:47 2011. The "regional IQs" in that first chart are anything but.there is only one region listed. The rest are not only just cities but cities with major academic, medical, governmental and cultural institutions which attract and retain the smartest people in the country (and their offspring). It's like comparing the city of Boston with the whole State of Louisiana. The other chart is also skewed because of the massive brain drain that occurs in poor Regions like Calabria, Sicily, Basilicata, etc. The smartest ones move north, further boosting the average IQs of those regions while leaving the regions they left behind depressed. Of all the people I went to middle school and high school in Puglia, with few exceptions the smartest ones left long ago. Usually for university. Sometimes after. They all live in places like Rome, Milan, Bologna, Padova and surroundings, etc, started families there and are never moving back. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu May 26 02:11:59 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 26 01:55:59 2011. Indeed, it easily could have been a northward brain drain that caused this difference, which is surely part of the reason (though probably not all of the reason) that the English have higher IQ's than the Scots and Irish. In Italy, what may have began as a tiny difference in IQ or perhaps only as a difference in development may have ballooned into a larger, more permanent difference in IQ as smarter people migrated away. This country suffers from a similar problem, which creates an issue of persistent poverty in some places. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 26 02:14:58 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 26 01:55:59 2011. I did not know that you lived in Puglia.My grandfather was born in Bari. My father is Calabrese. I am a real American. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 26 03:07:43 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 26 02:14:58 2011. I lived in the heel of the boot. The Salento.I've been to some good concerts in Bari (about 90 minutes from where I lived). It's a big city. Best large city in the South. Borderline world class. They even hosted the Champions League Final once. Was your grandfather from the city of Bari itself or from the province? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 26 03:24:15 2011, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 26 03:07:43 2011. The city itself. He was born in 1914 and came to America as an infant. He had no memories of Italy. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 19 01:16:28 2013, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 26 03:07:43 2011. They actually are from Palo de Colle.Other side of family is from Calabria which as Jayman points out, has the lowest IQ. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 19 01:16:28 2013, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 26 03:07:43 2011. They actually are from Palo de Colle.Other side of family is from Calabria which as Jayman points out, has the lowest IQ. |
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Posted by JayMan on Thu Sep 19 15:57:16 2013, in response to Re: Spanish government advisor slams German ''colonialism'' in Euro crisis, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 26 03:07:43 2011. Hey SMAZ, what's going on? It's good to see that I'm still a topic of discussion around here.Actually, somehow I don't think that what readers will find if they look at that thread, though... |
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