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Posted by BIE on Mon Dec 20 15:59:44 2004, in response to Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 20 15:48:20 2004. Good |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 20 17:18:40 2004, in response to Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 20 15:48:20 2004. Personally, it's fine with me. The holiday coming up of course was started as a religious holiday, and still is to many people, but truth be told, it erodes more and more each year. The Commercialism of Christmas over the last 100 years has left us with a holiday that is becoming more and more secular, and less religious each year. It has become more of a winterfest than a religious holiday. I would also say that most people are not thining of the religios reason for Christmas as they go about their holiday shopping, etc.The Christmas the United States celebrates was slowly invented by American retail. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Mon Dec 20 19:32:34 2004, in response to Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 20 15:48:20 2004. I agree, mostly.There's certainly nothing wrong with sending Christmas cards, holding Christmas parties, wishing fellow Christians a merry Christmas, etc. Replacing the word "Christmas" with "holiday" isn't magically inclusive to non-Christians -- on the contrary, it presumes that non-Christians celebrate Christmas under different names, which is largely not the case. But on the flip side, please don't assume that everybody is a Christian. I don't want to receive Christmas cards, I don't want my attendance to be expected at Christmas parties, and I certainly don't want to be wished a merry Christmas. Nor do I want my tax dollars being used for celebrations of religious holidays or public property (of which I own a share) being cluttered up with decorations for religious holidays. |
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Posted by Anon_e_mouse on Mon Dec 20 20:48:34 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Mon Dec 20 19:32:34 2004. Nor do I want my tax dollars being used for celebrations of religious holidays or public property (of which I own a share) being cluttered up with decorations for religious holidays.When our nation's government was established the Founding Fathers established freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. I don't particularly mind Christmas decorations, even though Christmas isn't my holiday, but I'd prefer they be kept low-key in recognition that others of us worship G-d in different ways. We all need to accept each other's beliefs and not go off on some crusade to shove our own beliefs down everyone else's throats. Until next time... Anon_e_mouse |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Express on Mon Dec 20 20:51:49 2004, in response to Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 20 15:48:20 2004. The Thousand christmases I worked in retail, I actually hated people telling me to have a merry christmas.I think it's a mixture of being an anti-christmas scrooge, and being jewish. I don't get nor really like it. :) But hey, the holiday gave this non-believer a busy job! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Dec 20 22:41:05 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Anon_e_mouse on Mon Dec 20 20:48:34 2004. I do agree with that too.On the flip side though, I have no problem with companies giving parties at this time of year. Once a year, my company does give a party the first week of January. While it is I guess what you would call a "Christmas Party", as most companies give, my employer does call it a "Holiday-New Year" Party. It is basically a once a year gathering of all of us, and really isn't a "Christmas Party". It is done by the employer as an appreciation for his workforce. It's a diner, and a night of socializing and fun. It has nothing to do with religion. I do work with a few Jewish people at my job, and they attend just like anyone else would. A company party wouldn't be the same without them. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Dec 20 23:02:59 2004, in response to Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 20 15:48:20 2004. "Happy Holiday" works fine. It works for Christmas. It works for Chanukah. It works for Easter. It even works for Groundhog day. That's about the only thing that makes sense. One school district in NJ took "Silent Night" out of a Christmas Pageant because one parent threatened to sue if it were included. The song was restored when that parent withdrew the threat. Yet, in other school districts,no Christmas Carols may be sung. When I grew up, we all sang carols. We didn't care about the religeous significance of the song or the holiday. None of us converted because of it. They were beautiful songs for a beautiful time of the year. I do not want my grandchildren to grow up in a world where they can't sing those songs in school or where wishing someone a merry christmas ( who may not be christian) is politically incorrect. My feeling is that if a school district wants to ban all but secular tunes from a holiday pageant, all parents who remember what a great holiday season was like should refuse to let their children participate in the school pageant. Let the principal sing to the haters and the misfits who put their petty views ahead of children being allowed to be children - for shame. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Dec 21 01:18:05 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Anon_e_mouse on Mon Dec 20 20:48:34 2004. I don't mind Christmas decorations at all -- as long as they're not placed on my property without my permission. Public property is mine as much as anybody else's, and I don't grant permission.But on the flip side, I wouldn't dare ask or expect permission to place my religious symbols on public property. I have no problem keeping them on my own private property. After all, I'm not trying to shove them down anyone's throats, and I'd appreciate a similar courtesy in return. As for your first sentence: atheism is as much a protected religion as any other. |
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Posted by Anon_e_mouse on Tue Dec 21 13:43:03 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Dec 21 01:18:05 2004. As for your first sentence: atheism is as much a protected religion as any other.On that we disagree. Atheism is a belief that there is no G-d. All of the Founding Fathers had a belief in Deity and could not have imagined a society in which there was not some sort of obeisance to a Supreme Being. Each and every session of the Continental Congress, the Constitutional Convention, and the Congress of the United States has been opened with prayer acknowledging the existance of One Higher Than Ourselves. The founders did not intend to protect atheism, and neither should we. Until next time... Anon_e_mouse |
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Posted by American Pig on Tue Dec 21 15:24:47 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Anon_e_mouse on Tue Dec 21 13:43:03 2004. This "no freedom from religion" thing is nonsense. There is no evidence to show that in fact the founding fathers did not intend to protect atheism and agnosticism with freedom of religion. A freedom of religion requiring a belief in a god as not every relgion believes in god the same way. Would you deprive people of freedom because they believe in more than one god? Or because they worship the Sun as god? Then why is it so difficult to accept people who worship no god? "No freedom from relgion" is just something that intolerant people say when they want to put down people who believe in something different. It is no different from putting down Jews because they worship God wrong. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Dec 21 15:25:57 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Anon_e_mouse on Tue Dec 21 13:43:03 2004. The exact same argument could be used to conclude that Judaism and Buddhism and Islam are not protected religions. Is that what you'd like to conclude?None of the Founding Fathers believed in the Deity that I believe in. They still considered it my right to practice my religion, to serve my Deity. As Thomas Jefferson said in 1781, "The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." |
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Posted by American Pig on Tue Dec 21 15:27:09 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Orange Blossom Express on Mon Dec 20 20:51:49 2004. I don't understand why people just can't call it the New Year and say Happy New Year like they did in communist states. It is the new year and so it isn't revisionism. |
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Posted by willD on Tue Dec 21 15:56:46 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Anon_e_mouse on Tue Dec 21 13:43:03 2004. The founders also intended that anyone with skin darker than Tiger Woods would be considered 3/5ths of a human, should we ignore the 13th Amendment and return to slavery because that's how they did it in the late 18th century? Perhaps if the US really is the christian country all the red staters seem to believe it is then we should institute manditory payment of alms to the church they attend, or we could be like Austria and some Islamic countries and stipulate to which church that alms tax will go. Just watch those televangelist's stadium churches down south swell to enormous proportions with the influx of money from middle class citizens who don't want to face excommunication, yet never would have given money to such institutions. |
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Posted by willD on Tue Dec 21 16:00:03 2004, in response to Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 20 15:48:20 2004. Lets just call it X-mas, cut down palm trees and be done with it. |
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Posted by :: R33 9306 OWNS :: on Tue Dec 21 19:46:44 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by willD on Tue Dec 21 16:00:03 2004. Lol. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 21 22:23:27 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Dec 21 15:25:57 2004. I agree with what you have said, except this statement:None of the Founding Fathers believed in the Deity that I believe in. They still considered it my right to practice my religion, to serve my Deity. The "Deity" that Christians worship is the same "Deity" that Jews worship, they just worship Him in a different way. So if the founding fathers were Christians, they worshiped the same Deity that Jews worship. It is not for Christians to decide that Jews worship Him the "wrong way", nor is it for Jews to decide Christians worship him the "wrong way". It's still only one God, and Christians are not worshiping a different one than Jews are worshiping. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 21 22:29:56 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by American Pig on Tue Dec 21 15:27:09 2004. I sort of agree with that. Happy New Year fists everyone, as it is a secular "New Year". While I would be opposed to a nativity scene on public property, I have no problem with "holiday" lights over streets (usually paid for by the local Chamber of Commerces or BID), red ribbons or whitepine roping on lamposts, etc. Those are not religious symbols. They could just as easily be called "New Year's" decorations rather than Christmas decorations. There is nothing religious about ordinary white or colored lights, nor is there anything religious about whitepine roping, or red ribbon. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Dec 21 23:55:50 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 21 22:23:27 2004. Nope. Different deity entirely. If you insist that Christianity is of Jewish origin, then I will have to respond that it's a severe corruption. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Dec 22 00:18:00 2004, in response to Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 20 15:48:20 2004. F word, an S word, a P word, two C words, an M word, and a T word.Fuck, shit, piss, cunt, cocksucker, motherfucker, and tit, right? Just guessing :) |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Dec 22 01:24:35 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Dec 22 00:18:00 2004. tits |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 22 07:41:52 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Dec 21 23:55:50 2004. I still don't agree. It is the case in other religions, such as Buddism, where it is a completely different "deity", and I don't know if "Allah" in Islam is the same "Entity" that Christians worship, but I don't see the severe corruption of Christainity vs. Judism. Quite different religions, yes, but different "Deity", no. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 22 07:44:14 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 22 07:41:52 2004. And just to clarify, of course I don't mean "Jesus" as the "Diety". Whether Christians believe that Jesus is the Messiah and Jews don't is besides the point. I am talking about God, not Jesus. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Dec 22 11:42:55 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 22 07:41:52 2004. Same name. Different entity. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 22 12:12:26 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Dec 22 11:42:55 2004. I know I am in a loosing battle here, but anyway, no, I don't believe so. There's only one entity that created the universe, not one for each religion. The Protestant religions also worship the same entity, even if they do it a different way than Catholic religion does, or the Catholic religion does, or the Jewish religion does. There isn't a Lutheran higher being, a Jewish higher being, or a Catholic higer being, there is only one. These various religions just worship Him differently.The Christian "Bible" contains the Jewish "Bible", but has an extra part. Same God, same Noah, same Moses, same Abraham, same Adam and Eve, same whoever. This is not like saying that the Koran is the same, or whatever the Buddists read is the same. Those AFAIK, don't contain the Bible the Christians read, nor the the "Old Testanment" part of the Christian Bible which is part also a part of the Jewish religion. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 22 12:33:12 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 22 12:12:26 2004. I think what Greenberger might be getting at is that your deity seems to have, shall we say, taken on more dimensions or forms...making him no longer the same as ours. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Dec 22 12:46:09 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 22 12:33:12 2004. In part. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Dec 22 12:53:20 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 22 12:12:26 2004. Christians and Jews read those same words to mean entirely different things. A proper Jewish understanding of the Jewish Bible renders a theology based on the Christian New Testament entirely untenable. Judaism and Christianity do not have compatible theologies in any way. If I'm right, you're wrong. If you're right, I'm wrong. We can't both be right here. It's logically impossible.My Deity cannot be worshiped in the way you might wish to worship him. Similarly, yours cannot be worshiped in the way I might wish to worship him. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Dec 22 12:55:53 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by monorail on Wed Dec 22 01:24:35 2004. Ah well, six out of seven isn't bad. But why those seven words? Why not k-ke, n--ger, w-p, and sp-c? |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Dec 22 14:19:36 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Dec 22 12:55:53 2004. Those all have legitimate uses. The seven words do not. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Dec 22 14:40:52 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by American Pig on Wed Dec 22 14:19:36 2004. (sarcasm) Yeah, right. (/sarcasm) Anyway, I don't mind describing a couple of folks having fun in bed as "two folks fucking away".... perhaps the only words sans legitimate uses are "cocksucker" and "motherfucker", due to those being disgusting acts. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 22 14:45:52 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Dec 22 12:53:20 2004. My Deity cannot be worshiped in the way you might wish to worship him. Similarly, yours cannot be worshiped in the way I might wish to worship him.Perhaps, but there still is only one higher being in my understanding. Whether I worship Him wrong, or you worship Him wrong is besides the point. The truth is, there is no correct answer as to who's "right" in the way He is worshiped, at least not that any of us can actually prove. I can't say what Jewish teachings uphold is wrong any more than you can say what Christian teachings uphold is wrong. And actually, neither of us can say that Islam is defintitely wrong, any more than a Muslim can actually say we are wrong (although Islam and Buddism, and others, don't even share a common base at some point like Judism and Christianity do). At least with Christian and Jewish religions, they do share much of the same Bible, that other religions don't come close to doing. Whether one interprets it wrong or correctly is besides the point. Technically, even branches of Christianity (the reputible branches)teach different things, and interpret things differently. That doesn't make me believe that there is a "Lutheran" or "Methodist" God, in addition to a Catholic or Episcapal God, or even a Jewish higher being. Christianity IS a branch off of Judism, just like Lutheranism is a branch off of the Catholic religion. I guess none of us can really know what is correct (if either) until we die, and even then we may or may not know the answer. We could possibly be some sick science experiment gone out of control for all is possible, and none of what any human ever imagined is the "answer" may be what is the truth. And technically, what any of us hold as "truth" is basically what we were taught as a child, and what our parents taught us, and what their parents taught them, and so on. If I had grown up in a Jewish household with the same exact brain I have now, and was drilled in Judism from a child, I would probably agree with what Jewish teachings teach. And if you grew up in a Christian household, with the same brain you have now, you would be believing what Christian teachings uphold. It IS all connected to how you were raised, and what you were taught as a child, and throughout life. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 22 15:00:30 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 22 12:33:12 2004. Perhaps, but it still can only be the same entity. You can't have parallel universes that had the same creation of the world, Moses, or whatever else you want to pull from the Bible that both religions base on. There is only one creator (if in fact any creator even exists). Again, it's all in interpretation. It really bases down to the fact on whether or not Jesus was or was not the Messiah. Jews believe he was not, Christians believe he was. That was the fork in the road where the two religions split. Before that, they were one, thus the same Deity. Someone is wrong at that junction in the road (and no, neither of the religions can actually prove which fork in the road was the correct one to take). The Jewish relgion moved foward from that point in one direction, and the Christian religion moved forward from that point in the other direction. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 22 15:16:09 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 22 15:00:30 2004. No.(I'd write more, but I just don't have the time, the patience, or the interest. Let Greenberger argue more if he wants to.) |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Dec 22 15:35:00 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 22 15:00:30 2004. No.The Jews believe that the Lord is God and the Lord is One. Christians believe that God is the Father, the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Ghost. It's not the same God, because God cannot be one and indivisible, and a holy trinity at the same time. |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Dec 22 15:36:51 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 22 14:45:52 2004. And technically, what any of us hold as "truth" is basically what we were taught as a childNo |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Dec 22 15:38:30 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Dec 22 14:40:52 2004. What if you were making a documentary about racism?Or a realistic movie about the Klan? |
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Posted by monorail on Wed Dec 22 18:44:05 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Dec 22 12:55:53 2004. These are the 7 words George Carlin mentioned and made famous |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Express on Wed Dec 22 18:49:42 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Dec 21 22:29:56 2004. *While I would be opposed to a nativity scene on public property*Well, one was just approved today! BARTOW -- The Polk County Commission decided this morning to let a nativity scene stay on county property until Dec. 27. In so doing, they also must accept displays from any other group that puts in a written request. By late morning, two others had placed signs on the lawn of the county administration building. One sign placed Tuesday that recognized Festivus, a mock Seinfeld holiday, must come down today unless those who placed it put in a written request. The vote was 4 to 1. Sentinel |
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Is this the Neocons again?? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 22 18:53:45 2004, in response to Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Dec 20 15:48:20 2004. This whole backlash against "Happy Holidays" is being blown way out of proportion. Uniters, not dividers, eh?Also, that article's reference to altered lyrics to "White Xmas" is about 500 percent out of context. A pox on these creatures. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Dec 22 19:02:50 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Dec 22 12:55:53 2004. Maybe they have become more-or-less common words. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 22 19:37:10 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by American Pig on Wed Dec 22 15:36:51 2004. Sorry, but it's true. Of course there are converts, disbelievers, athiests (even when the parents aren't), etc that don't follow their parent's religion, but most do. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 22 19:38:29 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Dec 22 15:16:09 2004. Nah, I'm done too, I knew it was a loosing battle going in. I'm not budging, and I know David isn't either, so we might as well all agree to disagree, and save time and typing. :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 22 19:49:22 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Dec 22 14:40:52 2004. perhaps the only words sans legitimate uses are "cocksucker" and "motherfucker", due to those being disgusting acts.While I agree with the m'fer being disgusting, a woman giving a guy oral sex is not particularly a "disgusting" act, and in doing so, (and it may be a vulgar description), but at that moment she is a c-sucker, so technically it's a ligitimate use.... And how in the world did I decide to get involved in this discussion? And how did a discussion about the media and Xmas turn into this. :) |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Dec 22 20:23:52 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 22 19:49:22 2004. "And how in the world did I decide to get involved in this discussion?"Someone made a statement and you felt an urge to respond to it. "And how did a discussion about the media and Xmas turn into this." Very gradually. Hopefully this thread won't be reefed. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Dec 23 00:44:16 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Dec 22 14:45:52 2004. I have a friend named Bob. He lives in Connecticut. He has brown hair and a moustache.You have a friend named Bob. He lives in Iowa and is bald. Is Bob our mutual friend? |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Dec 23 01:20:29 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by American Pig on Wed Dec 22 15:35:00 2004. Christiantity evolved from Judaism.Both are technically monotheistic. Thus, it's logical to suppose that both Christianity and Judaism worship the same G-d, but have different assumptions about that G-d. I disagree with the notion that there HAS to be only one Creator or no Creator. One can still make a case for polytheism, along lines similar to the arguments for atheism that have sprouted over the years, and one can also argue for polytheism based on the time it took for Earth to develop (practically forever) and its complexity. (Of course, one can also argue for atheism in the same verse...) But committees take forever to get something done, don't they? Yes, I'm Jewish - I celebrate Jewish holidays and some Jewish customs - but I don't agree 100% with the theology of my religion, either (easier to do in an action- and ethnicity- oriented religion like Judaism than in a belief- oriented religion like Christianity). |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Dec 23 01:29:26 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by American Pig on Wed Dec 22 15:36:51 2004. And how would you deal with religions that believe in many G-ds, such as Neopaganism and Shinto? |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Thu Dec 23 01:32:00 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Dec 23 00:44:16 2004. You sure your Bob didn't lie about his having hair and a mustache, and he didn't shave? :) |
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Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Dec 23 09:34:19 2004, in response to Re: Media Taking Christmas out of Christmas, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Dec 23 00:44:16 2004. Isn't it a coincidence that he knows all the same people we do, and had many of the same exact experiences? He knows the same Moses, same, same Noah, same David, same Solomon, same parting of the Red Sea, same Cain and Abel, same Lot.Parallel universes? I don't think so. I agree with Richard's quote: Christiantity evolved from Judaism. Both are technically monotheistic. Thus, it's logical to suppose that both Christianity and Judaism worship the same G-d, but have different assumptions about that G-d. The religions have different assumptions about the higher being. Is one wrong and one correct? Perhaps. Are both wrong? Perhaps. Are both correct? I don't think that's possible, but who is to say who is correct or wrong? Christianity did not appear "out of no where", it rooted in the same place that Judaism rooted in. There were no Christians before Jesus, all those people were Jews. Christianity IS a branch out of Judaism. Was it the correct path? That's what Christianity claims. Judaism claims it wasn't. There are branches of Christianity too. Are all of them "correct" paths? No. But that doesn't assume that the "God" that Evangalists worship is a different entity, than Catholics do. Is it possible to worship the same God in a different way? Maybe yes, maybe no. Maybe there's a deaf ear on the people doing it wrong. Maybe there isn't. Doesn't mean that there are paralled universes. |
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