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What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by TonyG on Wed May 4 22:00:18 2011

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Before I say anything else, I'm happy that he is no longer with us.

However, the story keeps changing from one that was somewhat believable to one that is more difficult for me to believe.

I can't wrap my head around a few things:

1.) First reports were that Bin Laden used a woman as a human shield, new reports are that there were no women who were seriously injured and that his wife was shot in the leg.

2.) The speed at which Bin Laden went from his compound in Pakistan to Bagram Airfield (where supposedly DNA tests were done) to the bottom of the Arabian Sea. Remember, there were reports that he was buried at sea by the navy on a navy ship literally hours after it was announced that he was dead? That makes little logical sense.

3.) The new reports that say Bin Laden was unarmed.

4.) The refusal to release photos / videos. This to me suggests that there is probably a cover-up of sorts.

Thoughts?

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by Easy on Wed May 4 22:02:52 2011, in response to What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by TonyG on Wed May 4 22:00:18 2011.

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They will release his death photos in a few days after they kill him.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by Easy on Wed May 4 22:02:52 2011, in response to What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by TonyG on Wed May 4 22:00:18 2011.

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They will release his death photos in a few days after they kill him.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 4 22:04:25 2011, in response to What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by TonyG on Wed May 4 22:00:18 2011.

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Wait until the death panel has reached a decision ... k? :)



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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by SMAZ on Wed May 4 22:08:43 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Easy on Wed May 4 22:02:52 2011.

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That's a possibilty.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by orange blossom special on Wed May 4 22:13:57 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Easy on Wed May 4 22:02:52 2011.

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I'm not sure I want those released. I imagine them being used on the protest signs everywhere like they do in Londonistan. Seems a photo will go the wrong way imo.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Wed May 4 22:15:14 2011, in response to What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by TonyG on Wed May 4 22:00:18 2011.

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Ok, I'll try:

1. Fewer things are as common as confused early reports from the scene of major breaking news stories. I expect we'll see a couple more clarifications and revisions on this in the coming days. Given that the original DoD report stated OBL died during an "exchange of gunfire" with the SEALS (something more plausible, to me, than having him cowering, unarmed, behind his wife). I think the truth will be somewhere closer to the SEALs discovering him during their room-clearing search of OBL's house, trying to arrest him, and OBL resisting or one of his security men firing at the SEALs, precipitating OBL's death.

2. Remember that Pakistan is 9 hours ahead of us on the East Coast. By the time Obama made his televised report, it was almost midnight Sunday evening. That's likely a good 18-22 hours after the completion of the raid on the Bin Laden compound, which, according to DoD, was carried out during darkness. I can see them removing OBL's body from the compound, doing just enough of a forensic examination to positively ID him, and placing the body on a COD (Carrier Onboard Delivery) aircraft for eventual burial at sea.

3. Again, I'd be very surprised if OBL was alone and unarmed when the SEALs found him. It's more likely (to me, anyway), that OBL had security men or other assistance at hand when the raid occurred. One of OBL's relatives is now complaining that OBL was shot "in front of his family", suggesting there were others present.

4. President Obama said the photos of the dead OBL were not going to be released because of their possible inflammatory effect. OK, that's probably a canard, but I can see how the bad guys would use such pictures for their propaganda value. I expect such high-value photographs to surface on Wikileaks, or some other such "tell-all" site before too long, anyway.

That's just my $0.02...

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed May 4 22:59:52 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by orange blossom special on Wed May 4 22:13:57 2011.

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Wow, I actually agree with you.

And apparently so does the President

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 23:11:15 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by orange blossom special on Wed May 4 22:13:57 2011.

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Releasing a photo won't change things. Burning a Koran won't change things. These people hate us and that's all there is to it. Not releasing the photo won't exactly create peace.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 4 23:13:26 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed May 4 23:11:15 2011.

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Unfortunately for the President, nothing he does now will appease the Islamic fanatics or the extreme left......

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 4 23:14:30 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 4 23:13:26 2011.

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And yet it's YOU assholes who keep yammering on about it ...

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 4 23:20:05 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 4 23:14:30 2011.

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Hey, stupid - I think those on the right have been very generous in our support for the President on this issue. You need to look behind you 'cause its those lifties who are more extreme than yourself who are out to get obama.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 4 23:30:49 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 4 23:20:05 2011.

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Thanks for looking out for all of us real American-type individuals. :)

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by Train Dude on Wed May 4 23:32:45 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 4 23:30:49 2011.

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You certainly are not the sharpest tool in the shed.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 4 23:54:06 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Train Dude on Wed May 4 23:32:45 2011.

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Have you EVER come up with any new material? EVER?

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 4 23:59:38 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Wed May 4 22:59:52 2011.

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But he did release 2,000 pictures of prisoner abuse!
That wouldn't make Salaams angry!
2009

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 5 06:00:22 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 4 23:14:30 2011.

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Most of the right supported Obama on this. It's not Obama people ae complaining about, it's the hypocrisy of much of the left that people are calling out.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 5 06:07:39 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 4 23:59:38 2011.

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Isn't it hilarious how the left works? No one cared then if it might be "sensitive" or "how the Muslim world would react". Now all of a sudden it's "How will the Muslim world react". Ah the difference the left feels when it's a Democrat in charge instead of a Republican.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 5 06:12:57 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 4 23:59:38 2011.

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Really?
He released them?
So where are they?
Find them.

Didn't think so.

You may want to post from something other than some laughable British tabloid.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by Fred G on Thu May 5 06:32:07 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Wed May 4 23:59:38 2011.

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Where are those photos? Can you share a link?

your pal,
Fred

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by Fred G on Thu May 5 06:53:39 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 5 06:00:22 2011.

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What's the hypocrisy?

your pal,
Fred

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 5 08:13:22 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 4 23:54:06 2011.

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Like I said before, kev, you spend upwards of 18 hours a day here, holding court so you need to come up with new stuff. For me, this just fills a few gaps in my day - where unlike you, I enjoy a real life. So I'm sure it behooves you to keep current with your material. Frankly, though, I'd think you could actually earn a buck on the internet if you applied yourself.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 5 09:05:23 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed May 4 23:54:06 2011.

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Maybe, now that he has retired, he will have time to find some original material. 8-)

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by Railman718 on Thu May 5 09:07:38 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Fred G on Thu May 5 06:53:39 2011.

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Im trying to figure that out myself Fred..

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu May 5 10:03:38 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Easy on Wed May 4 22:02:52 2011.

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NOPE. The President said NO!!!!

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 5 10:39:18 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu May 5 10:03:38 2011.

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Wrong, Dan Lawrence. You totally misunderstood his post. Not surprising.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by Mitch45 on Thu May 5 13:21:32 2011, in response to What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by TonyG on Wed May 4 22:00:18 2011.

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The bottom line is, the man arranged for the death of 3000 innocent people, would gladly have killed many more, was eventually shot in the head and is now dead. Everything else is bells and whistles.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 5 15:03:46 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Fred G on Thu May 5 06:32:07 2011.

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he does not have them lol

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by f179dj on Thu May 5 15:24:39 2011, in response to What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by TonyG on Wed May 4 22:00:18 2011.

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Who asked about Michael Moore's reaction yesterday?

bin Laden was executed



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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by Mitch45 on Thu May 5 15:28:16 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by f179dj on Thu May 5 15:24:39 2011.

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I guess Obama isn't lefty enough for him.

That fat fuck should have been on one of those planes on 9/11.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by RockParkMan on Thu May 5 15:37:52 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by f179dj on Thu May 5 15:24:39 2011.

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So what. If the SEALs gave him to me & the boyz, we'd get downright medieval. The left needs to focus on how the right has wrecked this country and forget about mollycoddling mass murderers.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by RockParkMan on Thu May 5 15:38:30 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu May 5 15:28:16 2011.

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ayeppa.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by Train Dude on Thu May 5 15:38:55 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu May 5 15:28:16 2011.

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Meanwhile its the fat-assed liberals who are accusing the right of being overly critical of obama. In fact it's other extremist left wingers who are making all the noise. I guess some bloated fools just can't tell where the noise is coming from.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu May 5 15:39:12 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu May 5 15:28:16 2011.

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damnn

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by RockParkMan on Thu May 5 15:39:28 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Train Dude on Thu May 5 15:38:55 2011.

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Tee Hee Hee.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 5 15:42:01 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu May 5 06:00:22 2011.

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LOL

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by AlM on Thu May 5 15:44:38 2011, in response to What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by TonyG on Wed May 4 22:00:18 2011.

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You're thinking about it too much.

Probably someone shot him to be safe because they wanted to stay alive themselves and didn't realize he wasn't a threat. But maybe some SEAL shot him when he already had his hands up. If so, we'll never find out.

The body needed to be dumped ASAP (a) because Muslim law says burial within 24 hours and (b) it needed to be presented as a fait accompli.

What's the US benefit in showing pictures? Pictures can be faked, so they aren't proof of anything. It only gives the radicals something to incite people with.


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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 5 16:00:14 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Train Dude on Thu May 5 08:13:22 2011.

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Gee ... THANKS, dad ... now about my allowance. :)

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu May 5 16:16:04 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu May 5 09:05:23 2011.

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Knew he was retarded, didn't know about retired. Maybe they'll get him a fresh copy of Captain Billy's Whizbang ...

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 5 20:00:18 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by AlM on Thu May 5 15:44:38 2011.

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Probably someone shot him to be safe because they wanted to stay alive themselves and didn't realize he wasn't a threat. But maybe some SEAL shot him when he already had his hands up. If so, we'll never find out.

According to bin Laden's 12 year old daughter who was at the scene of her father's shooting, he was captured alive and shot a few seconds later.
She is the one credited for giving final identification of Osama to the SEALs after he was already dead.
She has said this to Pakistani TV.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat May 7 19:47:55 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 5 10:39:18 2011.

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Why don't you go away and leave all the Chats.

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Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?

Posted by RockParkMan on Sat May 7 19:50:57 2011, in response to Re: What -really- happened with Bin Laden?, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat May 7 19:47:55 2011.

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The rotten fucking asshole RUNS this place. That needs to CHANGE.

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