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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:38:51 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:35:46 2010. It's kinda hard to call out the inaccuracies, misconceptions and outright falsehoods of religion without actually saying such. Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:39:56 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:37:29 2010. Atheism is boring? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:39:57 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:37:29 2010. Atheism is boring? |
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Posted by David Fairthorne on Wed Dec 1 00:40:02 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by R30A on Wed Dec 1 00:30:53 2010. The upside to Atheism is what it doesn't offer. It doesn't offer a definitive answer with an extremely high probability of being entirely false.Agreed. "Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned." * Anonymous; quoted in Dennett, Daniel C. (2006). |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:40:04 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:34:53 2010. They are myths, but it is indeed your choice to ignore anyone who says this, of course. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:41:54 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:37:29 2010. The economy NEEDS religion though. If it wasn't for Christmas and people buying gifts for friends and family sales would plummet! Many retailers depend on Christmas for a large percentage of their income. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:42:07 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:34:53 2010. I have no problem ignoring anyone INCORRECTLY pointing out that it is entirely a mythOK, but since they are correctly pointing it out, why are you ignoring them? :-) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:42:33 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:40:04 2010. Prove they are entirely myths. Prove that there is no God. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:44:15 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:35:46 2010. It's a billboard. They're not known for trenchant insight. They have to settle for the occasional bòn mót. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:45:08 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:42:33 2010. Prove that there is no china teapot in space between Earth and Mars. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:45:41 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by R30A on Wed Dec 1 00:30:53 2010. The upside to Atheism is what it doesn't offerThat is actually a downside - Atheism offers no hope. I would be severely depressed if I didn't believe in at least the possibility of an afterlife |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:45:45 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:45:08 2010. For those who don't get the reference |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 00:45:59 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by R30A on Wed Dec 1 00:30:53 2010. Probability calculations? |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:46:28 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:42:33 2010. A quick glance into the research will easily show that the Nativity story lacks factual support (and is not even original...) And more to the point, it is not up to me to prove a claim false -- that's not how it works. It is up to those that make a claim to prove that it is true. Until you show me the Boogie Man in your closet there is no reason for me believe that he's there. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:47:03 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:38:51 2010. It shouldn't be "kinda hard" if the moral base of Atheism is a strong one. Certainly mocking Christmas can't be all atheism has to offer. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 00:47:07 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:10:57 2010. I think the word research is an important clue"Research" isn't limited to the sciences. Please follow the news IOW, you don't know. |
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Posted by David Fairthorne on Wed Dec 1 00:47:09 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:38:51 2010. It's kinda hard to call out the inaccuracies, misconceptions and outright falsehoods of religion without actually saying such.It would probably be easier to enumerate the few things that are actually credible. However that doesn't seem to matter to most religious folk. It's largely a matter of tradition (plus a good deal of wishful thinking). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:47:47 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:37:55 2010. Yes, it is clearly targeting Christianity, and the WTC ad is clearly targeting Islam.Apparently a variant was used in New Hampshire. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1936920/posts |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 00:47:49 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:47:03 2010. There is no moral base to atheism. That's why it is atheism. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:48:39 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:39:56 2010. A long ad with a whole bunch of text would be unreadable by passing motorists. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 00:49:19 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:38:51 2010. It's kinda hard to call out the inaccuracies, misconceptions and outright falsehoods of religion without actually saying suchNo, it's "kinda hard" because you can't do it. You don't live in a country with state religion that forces everyone to be part of the state church. Just as you don't live in a country that forces everyone to be atheist. Stop being alarmist. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:51:12 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:41:54 2010. If that were true (and it's unlikely given how secular the Christmas season has become), then I say good! Consumption for its own sake is ruining this country. And I don't believe that for "moral" reasons, I believe it for economic ones. I'm sure most of the bullshit people buy for Christmas comes from atheist-run China. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:51:28 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:46:28 2010. A quick glance into the research will easily show that the Nativity story lacks factual supportIf it were THAT easy to disprove then it would not have hundreds of millions of believers. And billions more believe in a supreme being even if they do not accept the Nativity story. |
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Posted by David Fairthorne on Wed Dec 1 00:51:53 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 00:45:59 2010. Probability calculations?I would be more inclined to point to a total lack of credible evidence; in fact the impossibility of the existence of credible evidence. Because God is supposedly "supernatural", that conveniently protects Him from the possibility that God's nature can ever be scrutinized. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:52:40 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:47:03 2010. The morality of basing what is right on the ideals of treating your fellow man well, as you would like to be treated and respecting his/her right to freedom, security and happiness and not on some ancient dogma based on some supposed cosmic being with less-than-benevolent intentions is a pretty strong moral foundation, I would say.But before even moving on to the moral argument, atheism and the decrement of religious dogma is a factual argument, which is far more to the point. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:53:07 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:45:41 2010. That is actually a downside - Atheism offers no hope. I would be severely depressed if I didn't believe in at least the possibility of an afterlifeSounds like you need a psychiatrist. Of course, your comment just reinforces the idea that religion is the opium of the people. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Dec 1 00:53:12 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:45:41 2010. Atheism/agnosticism offers substantially more hope than any religion. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:54:15 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:51:28 2010. Sort of like the hundred of millions of believers in the 6,000 year age of the Earth and the reality of Noah's Ark, yes? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:56:15 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:54:15 2010. And for thousands of years, millions of people believed that the Earth was at the center of the universe. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:56:25 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 00:49:19 2010. Which since I'm not the one who had an objection to sign making a factual statement, it's hard to see how I am the alarmist... |
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Posted by David Fairthorne on Wed Dec 1 00:56:59 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:51:28 2010. And billions more believe in a supreme beingNot so long ago almost everyone believed that the earth was flat. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:58:49 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by R30A on Wed Dec 1 00:53:12 2010. What hope does it offer?If it were not for fear of divine retribution believe me there are lots of things I could and probably would be doing (such as participating in orgies, etc...). What reason would there be to follow any moral code while alive? |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:59:04 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:41:54 2010. Well Christmas is alive and well in Europe (who are far less religious than Americans). I buy Christmas presents (gasp!), heathen that I am. I think we're good with that... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 00:59:46 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by David Fairthorne on Wed Dec 1 00:56:59 2010. Don't veer into fail territory. The Bible never said the earth was flat; in fact it confirms the scientific record before scientists discovered it (Isaiah 40:22, Job 26:7). Dead religions believed in the flat earth. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 01:00:18 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by David Fairthorne on Wed Dec 1 00:56:59 2010. I don't want to contradict you, but the Ancient Greeks knew that the world was round. It was accepted by the educated class including the Catholic Church long before Columbus. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Dec 1 01:01:29 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:58:49 2010. The hope it offers is that we DON'T have the postulated situations of any one religion, which to my mind is far more reassuring than the potential truth of any one religions beliefs. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 01:01:33 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 00:47:07 2010. http://www.agiweb.org/gap/evolution/ |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 01:03:17 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:54:15 2010. And how many Churches preach those stories as real? People can still believe in a supreme being without believing that every story is factually accurate. I am willing to bet that lots of paleontologists are religious even though they study evolution. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 01:03:21 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:58:49 2010. If it were not for fear of divine retribution believe me there are lots of things I could and probably would be doing (such as participating in orgies, etc...).Well you are truly limiting yourself my friend.... What reason would there be to follow any moral code while alive? Oh, I don't know, common decency maybe? |
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Posted by David Fairthorne on Wed Dec 1 01:03:59 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 00:47:49 2010. There is no moral base to atheism.I agree. Atheism has nothing to do with morality. It is simply the assertion that gods are mythological. This doesn't need a moral base. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 01:04:06 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 01:03:17 2010. Indeed, there are many religious scientists. The vast majority are atheist/agnostic however. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 01:04:16 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 01:03:21 2010. Oh, I don't know, common decency maybe?Not good enough |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 01:04:58 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 01:00:18 2010. Indeed, but the belief fell into obscurity as knowledge often does. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 01:05:20 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:58:49 2010. If it will make you happy, you should participate in orgies. They are not illegal. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 01:05:41 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 01:04:06 2010. I actually respect agnostics - at least they are honest enough to say that they don't know one way or the other, but do not completely rule out the possibility |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 01:06:09 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 01:04:16 2010. To you, maybe. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Dec 1 01:06:38 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 01:05:41 2010. Atheism and Agnosticism are the same.Atheism is the result of being a true Agnostic. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Dec 1 01:07:03 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 01:04:16 2010. A hell of a lot better than doing so for a god. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 01:07:19 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 00:59:46 2010. The point was to demonstrate the argumentum ad numerum fallacy, aka the appeals to the numbers fallacy. The number of people that believe in a proposition does not determine whether or not it is true. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 01:08:08 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 01:05:20 2010. LOL - but if there really is a hell I don't want to burn in it for eternity - just hedging my bets |
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