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Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 30 22:21:11 2010  It's facing inbound traffic about one mile from the tunnel. |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Nov 30 22:22:27 2010, in response to Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 30 22:21:11 2010. the message might be a mythtake....... |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Nov 30 22:47:49 2010, in response to Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 30 22:21:11 2010. Why are they concentrating their attack on Christianity and not the other religions? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 30 22:49:31 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Tue Nov 30 22:47:49 2010. Exactly. I just wanted someone else to say it first. |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Nov 30 22:54:02 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 30 22:49:31 2010. 'I just wanted someone else to say it first'it first |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 30 22:57:03 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Tue Nov 30 22:47:49 2010. Because most people in America are Christians. Maybe you should complain about why they're only targeting English readers, and not those who can only read other languages. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 30 22:57:25 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 30 22:49:31 2010. Good plan. You didn't want to look stupid. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 23:07:52 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 30 22:57:03 2010. No, that's not the answer. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Nov 30 23:11:53 2010, in response to Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 30 22:21:11 2010. Awesome! |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Nov 30 23:12:39 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 30 22:57:03 2010. (Thumbs up!) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 30 23:19:07 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Nov 30 22:57:25 2010. They are attacking Christianity because it's an easy target. Inclusion of Islam and Judaism leaves them open to accusations of being Islamophobic or anti-Semitic. You know that.The fact that Dave Silverman is the President of American Atheists probably has something to do with it too. He could've included other religions in such a diverse part of the country. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 30 23:20:15 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Tue Nov 30 23:11:53 2010. What's awesome about it? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Nov 30 23:34:33 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 30 23:19:07 2010. Atheists have done ads focusing on Islam in the past. |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Nov 30 23:35:33 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Nov 30 23:34:33 2010. they would have found a different excuse.... |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Nov 30 23:37:29 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 30 23:20:15 2010. It's always great to see someone speaking out against religion. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 23:39:30 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Tue Nov 30 23:37:29 2010. Why is that? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 30 23:44:57 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Nov 30 23:34:33 2010. When and where did THAT ad run?It mentions nothing of Islam anyway. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Nov 30 23:48:26 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 30 23:19:07 2010. No, I think Spider's reasoning stands. Christianity is the majority religion in America and it makes sense to target them. Targeting other religions would have not drawn claims of anti-Semitism or "Islamophobia" if they were included with other religions. After all, atheists are equal-opportunity religion-haters. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Nov 30 23:51:39 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 23:39:30 2010. For reasons far too numerous to mention here. Not the least of which include the distortion of rationality, the suppression of science, the fostering of hatred, the oppression of women and minorities, and the wars, death and suffering wrought by religion. Yeah, it's good to see someone speak out against religion. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Nov 30 23:52:28 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Tue Nov 30 23:48:26 2010. atheists are equal-opportunity religion-haters.And for that they will all burn in hell for eternity.... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 30 23:52:49 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Tue Nov 30 23:48:26 2010. In a metropolitan area that is so diverse, it makes sense to include a menorah, and an Islamic symbol as well.If they're an "equal-opportunity" hate group as you say, they'd make it clear on the billboard. |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Nov 30 23:54:13 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by BMTLines on Tue Nov 30 23:52:28 2010. I'll take my chances... |
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Posted by JayMan on Tue Nov 30 23:56:57 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 30 23:52:49 2010. The point is irrelevant. While atheists are against all religions, it makes sense in the States to focus on Christianity. When atheists choose to decry a religion it is not necessary to make a blanket condemnation of them all in every last statement we make against them. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Nov 30 23:59:08 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 30 23:44:57 2010. Atheists did this one in 2004, mostly in Europe and the UK. The ad doesn't mention Islam because the image of the WTC Towers is supposed to suggest that Islam is the religion they're referring to. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 00:00:55 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Tue Nov 30 23:51:39 2010. We had too much of that in the USSR. The USA's about religious freedom. If by "rationality" you mean German rationalism, that's got all sorts of blood on its record.There is no suppression of science in the USA either; maybe you should learn some science before making statements like that. The sciences grew up in countries that had freedom of religion, not in atheistic repressive societies. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 00:05:26 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Tue Nov 30 23:48:26 2010. Christianity is the majority religion in America and it makes sense to target themNo, that's cowardice on the atheists' part. Why back down in the face of backlash? BTW, did you ever read the USSR's constitution on this subject? Article 52. Citizens of the USSR are guaranteed freedom of conscience, that is, the right to profess or not to profess any religion, and to conduct religious worship or atheistic propaganda. Incitement of hostility or hatred on religious grounds is prohibited.Are you advocating Soviet "rights" for the USA? |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:05:31 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 00:00:55 2010. We had too much of that in the USSR. The USA's about religious freedom.Precisely. You have the freedom to believe, and I have the freedom to disbelieve. As well, you have the freedom to preach your dogma, and I have the freedom to speak out against it. There is no suppression of science in the USA either Umm, embryonic stem cell research? Campaigns to force states to teach creationism in schools? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 00:08:19 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:05:31 2010. Umm, embryonic stem cell research?How is that science? And is that the only issue you're going to harp on . . . ? Campaigns to force states to teach creationism in schools? Who said "force" . . . ? You're good at the slogans, but not at a balanced view. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:08:25 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 00:05:26 2010. No one is advocating changing the constitution. Indeed, I would like to see application of separation of Church and State, which is indeed in the constitution.In fact, are you against freedom of speech, which is very much an American constitutional right? |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:10:57 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 00:08:19 2010. >>>>Umm, embryonic stem cell research?How is that science? Oh I don't know -- but I think the word research is an important clue... >>>>Campaigns to force states to teach creationism in schools? Who said "force" . . . ? Please follow the news. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:12:30 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Nov 30 23:34:33 2010. BEST...AD...EVER! |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:14:03 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Nov 30 23:34:33 2010. I approve! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:17:34 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Nov 30 23:19:07 2010. It would open them to such accusations because it would be odd to focus on a minority religion. If they posted this in Israel (for example) that would be a different story.How exactly would you structure this billboard to be diverse? Which other myths would you include and how? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:19:06 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Tue Nov 30 23:48:26 2010. I vehemently disagree that atheists are religion haters at all. That's just an awful stereotype that religious people have. The only thing common to all atheists is the lack of a belief in a god or gods. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:22:33 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:19:06 2010. Correct, and to be fair and more accurate, only some atheists are hostile to religion while others are more indifferent towards it. I count myself firmly in the hostile camp though. ;) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:25:42 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 00:05:26 2010. Yes, I am. If the provision of that right were actually enforced, it would be a good thing. Except for the incitement part. Free speech is paramount. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:26:03 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Nov 30 23:59:08 2010. In the UK? Ok. I believe you.Islam is not mentioned in the ad. The ad at the Lincoln Tunnel specifically targets a Christian holiday. It attacks Christianity, instead of promoting atheism. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:27:15 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:22:33 2010. Not that there's anything wrong with that. So long as that hostility does not include violence (except in response to violence or threatened violence).I see no problem with being hostile to ignorance, especially when the ignorant attempt to impose their ignorance on others. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:28:10 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:26:03 2010. It attacks Christianity, instead of promoting atheism.The two kinda go hand-in-hand... |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:28:33 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:27:15 2010. Amen! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:29:35 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:28:10 2010. If atheism has so much to offer, they should be able to promote it without specifically targeting a Christian holiday. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Dec 1 00:30:53 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:29:35 2010. The upside to Atheism is what it doesn't offer. It doesn't offer a definitive answer with an extremely high probability of being entirely false. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:31:31 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:29:35 2010. Do you have a problem with someone (correctly) pointing out that the Christmas tale as it is commonly told is a myth? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:31:43 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:26:03 2010. They both use symbolism. Christianity is not mentioned in the ad.If someone is familiar with the World Trade Center, they'd know what was being referred to. |
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Posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:31:57 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by R30A on Wed Dec 1 00:30:53 2010. There you go! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:33:06 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:17:34 2010. minority religionChristians and Jews believe in the same God. Why attack Christianity only? I would structure the billboard to promote atheism and something it has to offer, or why the public should consider atheism. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Wed Dec 1 00:34:53 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:31:31 2010. I have no problem ignoring anyone INCORRECTLY pointing out that it is entirely a myth |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:35:46 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by JayMan on Wed Dec 1 00:31:31 2010. I think atheism should point out it's strong points. It should be able to do so without mocking Christmas. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:37:29 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:33:06 2010. Christians and Jews believe in the same God. Why attack Christianity only?That is false. Besides, this billboard does not actually target any god. It targets a supposed event. I would structure the billboard to promote atheism and something it has to offer, or why the public should consider atheism. BORING! Although the WTC ad would do that and is SUPER FUCKING AWESOME! |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Dec 1 00:37:55 2010, in response to Re: Atheist Billboard At Lincoln Tunnel Approach, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Dec 1 00:31:43 2010. It's clearly targeting Christianity, Christmas in particular.Where did the WTC ad run? The internet? |
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