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Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 26 02:40:13 2010 Funny how they expose that after all the open aid the latter received from the former over the decades.al-Reuters
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Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jul 26 09:09:57 2010, in response to Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 26 02:40:13 2010. Pakistan said leaking unprocessed reports from the battlefield was irresponsible.Interesting choice of words. Very Yes, Minister. U.S. national security adviser Jim Jones said the leak would not affect "our ongoing commitment to deepen our partnerships with Afghanistan and Pakistan". = "we're fucked". |
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Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 26 09:12:24 2010, in response to Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 26 02:40:13 2010. Lives lost. Billions wasted(mostly during the Bush years). Frustrating. |
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Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 26 14:12:00 2010, in response to Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Jul 26 09:09:57 2010. Maybe if they'd actually fight, they'd win. |
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Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 26 14:13:30 2010, in response to Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Jul 26 09:12:24 2010. Some countries are just not fit to govern themselves. |
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Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Jul 26 14:57:45 2010, in response to Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 26 02:40:13 2010. This looks like a job for Captain Obvious....Ok enough joking, let's be real, I think even the dumbest redneck down in the bayou could tell you that Pakistan at least internally is working on both ends. It works to their benefit to do so. By at least on the surface supporting the US in their fight against the Taliban and having those who hate the taliban in the Military they get the funding for the US, by helping the Taliban they keep instability in the region which for those who want to keep power is a good thing. If Afghanistan were stable and could reap profits from the materials they could grow and mine it could be a problem for Pakistan (and Iran) especially if the Afghani government didn't like Pakistan and forged alliances with not only the US but India. I always said this, the biggest mistake made when it came to fighting Al Qaeda was we didn't take it seriously enough. What I mean was, we should've never tried to Negotiate with the taliban, we should've struck hard, and with a lot more in terms of troop levels i.e. 500-700K troops. Hit hard, hit fast, and never gave the taliban / Al Qaeda forces time to even get to Pakistan. If we took this war seriously from the outset, we wouldn't be where we are now. Afghanistan was and is more important that Iraq. |
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Re: Wikileaks also says Iran helping the Taliban |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 26 18:03:47 2010, in response to Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 26 02:40:13 2010. And this is something that some lefties don't believe. The bit about Pakistan they find believable, though. Thanks again, Hauptmann Obvious . . .AFP via Yahoo News
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Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 26 22:56:17 2010, in response to Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Jul 26 14:57:45 2010. What I mean was, we should've never tried to Negotiate with the taliban, we should've struck hard, and with a lot more in terms of troop levels i.e. 500-700K troops. Hit hard, hit fast,A Draft takes years to set up. You can't hit them fast under your plan. If we took this war seriously from the outset, we wouldn't be where we are now. That I agree with. |
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Wikileaks Julian Assange: Hero or Anti-War Nut? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 27 02:12:43 2010, in response to Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 26 02:40:13 2010. Imagine someone like this being around during WWII. His attitude is that all who "wage war" are a danger. So who do you want to win, M. Assange? You'll be increasingly more in danger in a Europe that's growing more militaristic.Der Spiegel
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Re: Wikileaks Julian Assange: Hero or Anti-War Nut? |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Tue Jul 27 09:28:59 2010, in response to Wikileaks Julian Assange: Hero or Anti-War Nut?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 27 02:12:43 2010. The source went through their own harm-minimization process and instructed us to conduct our usual review to make sure there was not a significant chance of innocents being negatively affected... We identified cases where there may be a reasonable chance of harm occurring to the innocent.Non sequitur after non sequitur. Harm minimization process? Significant chance? Reasonable chance? Apparently, this guy can and will rationalize away anything and everything. I understand the need to reveal corruption and incompetence but at what cost? Why can something called WikiLeaks make a unilateral decision to release classified documents. Aside from legality issues, what formal training do these people have to make any determination whatsoever that these documents need not be classified, that they will not compromise sources nor endanger personnel? If some 39 year old computer hacker like Assange can make the decision to release classified documents what is to prevent anyone at anytime for any reason from doing likewise? I truly understand the need for rigorous oversight and real accountability and transparency within the military, something that is lackin and needs to be addressed, but I also understand the reality that safely and successfully accomplishing the mission requires safeguards put in place for just that purpose, one of which is maintaining security in the prosecution of war. Stop playing G-d. |
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Re: Wikileaks Julian Assange: Hero or Anti-War Nut? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jul 27 09:32:01 2010, in response to Re: Wikileaks Julian Assange: Hero or Anti-War Nut?, posted by cortelyounext on Tue Jul 27 09:28:59 2010. I heard an idiot on the radio saying the taxpayers have a right to see the documents because it's our money that's paying for the war. I don't agree with that. |
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Re: Wikileaks Julian Assange: Hero or Anti-War Nut? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 27 12:14:30 2010, in response to Wikileaks Julian Assange: Hero or Anti-War Nut?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jul 27 02:12:43 2010. Nut. His motivation is partisan and dangerous, even if the information he leaked should have been. |
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Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Jul 27 13:03:46 2010, in response to Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 26 14:12:00 2010. Fight Pakistan as well? |
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Wikileaks a threat to national security: Pentagon (long) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 28 07:32:05 2010, in response to Re: Wikileaks Julian Assange: Hero or Anti-War Nut?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 27 12:14:30 2010. Assange certainly is making enemies in high places. His paranoia evident in this interview reflects that. Wonder how many innocent deaths Assange may be indirectly responsible for, and if he's got an employer.Der Spiegel (if Bertelsmann is watching him this closely, that means that the German elite is as well)
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Re: Wikileaks a threat to national security: Pentagon (long) |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 28 08:06:04 2010, in response to Wikileaks a threat to national security: Pentagon (long), posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 28 07:32:05 2010. Ever heard of Freedom of Speech? If he's within his right....why are you bothering? |
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Re: Wikileaks a threat to national security: Pentagon (long) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 28 08:09:34 2010, in response to Re: Wikileaks a threat to national security: Pentagon (long), posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 28 08:06:04 2010. Ever heard of Freedom of Speech?There is no international freedom of speech. Did you think we have a one-world government or something? And state security is a very serious affair. |
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Re: Wikileaks a threat to national security: Pentagon (long) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 28 08:11:55 2010, in response to Re: Wikileaks a threat to national security: Pentagon (long), posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Jul 28 08:06:04 2010. Ever hear of "Freedom of Information"? I want to know who is on welfare, food stamps, etc......If information like this can be made public, then I want to see a list of people on welfare and food stamps. That would be "Freedom of Speech". Streetie, Did you hear about the list of illegal aliens being circulated in Utah? Should the people who made up the list be protected by "Freedom of Speech"? |
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Re: Wikileaks founder in fear of arrest |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 28 08:21:24 2010, in response to Re: Wikileaks a threat to national security: Pentagon (long), posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jul 28 08:11:55 2010. Wikileaks is international. Assange is not a US citizen; he's from Australia. I wouldn't argue with someone who acts like we have a one-world government.BTW, Assange is now saying he's scared that he'll be arrested. He's paranoid that DC is out to get him over saying in der Spiegel that he likes "crushing bastards", claiming that he's got sources in the White House warning him not to go back to the US. Daily Telegraph
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Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jul 28 10:42:17 2010, in response to Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban, posted by SMAZ on Mon Jul 26 22:56:17 2010. According to 2008 levels, we have roughly 1.5 mil people on military reserve alone, along with 1.4 mil active, . So if we wanted to really get down and dirty and wanted to play very serious, we could send up to a million troops, even 2 million, is if we needed over 2 million where perhaps would require a draft, in which we have 59 million eligible people. |
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Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 28 21:57:18 2010, in response to Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jul 28 10:42:17 2010. According to 2008 levels, we have roughly 1.5 mil people on military reserve alone, along with 1.4 mil active, . So if we wanted to really get down and dirty and wanted to play very serious, we could send up to a million troops,And replace them with what/who when their tour is over? That number includes people on ships, subs and other specialties that are not conducive to a military occupation and counterinsurgency. Do you really want Seaman Snooky, the sub radioman or Ensign Snuffy, the ship nuclear reactor maintanence officer conducting foot patrols in Kandahar? Your 1.5 million number is meaningless if it cannot be used for the specific mission that we are discussing. We tried that in Vietnam. it didn't work. |
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Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jul 28 22:04:06 2010, in response to Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban, posted by SMAZ on Wed Jul 28 21:57:18 2010. Vietnam ... and this war while similar are different |
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Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Thu Jul 29 11:15:16 2010, in response to Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban, posted by ClearAspect on Wed Jul 28 10:42:17 2010. Yeah, let's send millions of Americans to die in Pakistan! What a wonderful election-winning strategy! |
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Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 29 14:25:06 2010, in response to Re: Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Jul 27 13:03:46 2010. You'd be amazed what can be achieved if you actually fight instead of holding back in fear of collateral damage inflicted on a sympathetic (to the enemy) populace. |
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Wikileaks—blood on its hands? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 30 02:07:11 2010, in response to Wikileaks says Pakistan was secretly helping the Taliban, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jul 26 02:40:13 2010. Pentagon says they may. Is this why Assange is afraid?Reuters
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