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Posted by busdude2 on Tue Apr 20 12:33:10 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:13:18 2010. Then don't buy it. But don't dictate that I can't if I want it. I have a mother I don't need another one. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 12:33:31 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:55:46 2010. You guys should try Haagen Das in Europe. None of this sissy pasteurization over there. The ice cream tastes so much better. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 20 12:35:28 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:47:44 2010. I hate canned fruits and veggies. Frozens are healthier for you as they have far more nutrients.I defrost the night before. |
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Posted by bmtlines on Tue Apr 20 12:37:45 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 12:33:31 2010. For some reason I don't like any ice creams - the only thing I miss, and can't find any more, are frozen custard cones like they used to sell at the food stand on the IRT platform at 59th and Lex years ago. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Apr 20 12:42:39 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 20 11:33:53 2010. Heh, I think you and GP38 are actually on the same page. Nothing wrong with encouraging (actually that would be a great thing!), plenty wrong with the mandating, especially when it's not funded. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Apr 20 12:55:17 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 12:25:55 2010. It's not like developers just throw a bunch of salt in. There are taste testers, focus groups, etc....not to mention how it aids in preservation.ALL of this must be taken into account with this mandate...which will take time and money that companies don't really have to throw around these days. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Apr 20 13:22:20 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:59:16 2010. now that they took over our healthcare systemExcept that Aetna or any of the insurance providers haven't been nationalized. it's taxpayer funded It's been de facto taxpayer funded since the 1940s via deductions on health insurance benefits from employers. If you seriously want the government out of healthcare, then you need to pay income taxes on your healthcare benefit as you would for any other benefit provided by your employer. In turn, you'd have to eliminate Medicaid and Medicare, and I've question the ability of most Americans to pay for full cost of their elderly family member's healthcare. Arguably, the implicit problem is the effect on the economy on a macro and micro scale when somebody ends up in an ER with a heart attack or stroke, or the perpetual motion machine of medications needed for hypertension. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Apr 20 13:29:43 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:15:37 2010. Obama/Pelosi care was step one in the making taxpayers liableGiven that most insurance is employer based in lieu of individually purchased, one's high consumption of salt could lead to increased spending on that person's healthcare needs which increases my premium regardless of whether there was so-called Obamacare. Of course, one could solve that problem with having only individual markets, but I suspect everybody would hate the equivalent auto markets rating by driver age and accident history being applied to everybody in the healthcare market freaking out over their salt and fat consumption and activity risk. |
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Posted by R143 on Tue Apr 20 13:31:50 2010, in response to Obama administration bans salt, posted by Dand124 on Tue Apr 20 07:54:04 2010. Watch all our freedom be given over to the left . |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Apr 20 13:35:34 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:10:53 2010. Said fat bastard would then be on his own.If that "fat bastard" is in an employee pool, then he's getting a tax deduction on his health insurance, and his higher healthcare costs are affecting me if I'm in his company's pool as well due to the increased premiums needed to cover his increasingly expensive care. In an employer pool, there is little rating by risk, while in the individual market and in other insurance markets, risk is always taken into account which lower premiums for those who are low risk, and increases them for those that are high risk. Until we get everybody onto non-subsidized risk-based individualized insurance, we are implicitly subsidizing the risky in the health insurance markets. |
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Posted by R143 on Tue Apr 20 13:39:17 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Apr 20 12:42:39 2010. I feel that way too . Encourage all they want just no mandates on stuff like that . |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Apr 20 13:39:35 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:28:08 2010. they simply will do whatever is "easier" for them to remain in businessOr it's effectively a great attempt at regulatory capture. It's better for public relations purposes to attempt to be for reform, while influencing the process behind the scenes to moderate whatever reforms are taken and potentially regulating the market to affect competitors. |
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Posted by R143 on Tue Apr 20 13:39:43 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:13:18 2010. Or so it used to be . |
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Posted by R143 on Tue Apr 20 13:40:54 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Apr 20 12:55:17 2010. And the pelosi types just love to spend money . especially on things that they can control other people with . |
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Posted by R143 on Tue Apr 20 13:41:24 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by busdude2 on Tue Apr 20 12:33:10 2010. It seems you are agreeing with him . |
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Posted by R143 on Tue Apr 20 13:47:19 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 11:21:34 2010. I don't think you are right completely . While the issues are somewhat similar , I do not believe that someone this is for gay rights necessarily would be against the nanny state . |
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Posted by R143 on Tue Apr 20 13:48:03 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 11:03:56 2010. He runs as a Republican though . However many of his policies are not anything many Republicans would do . |
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Posted by R143 on Tue Apr 20 13:49:53 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 10:44:42 2010. The welfare system that was originally designed was supposed to be a temporary way to get people back on their feet , not a permanent lifestyle , which now often bridges generations . |
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Posted by R143 on Tue Apr 20 14:05:02 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Apr 20 13:35:34 2010. And people with bad genes are also more at risk . Shall we discriminate against them too ? |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 14:12:14 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:52:06 2010. That's not what I am saying. I'm saying that SS was the gov't taking money from your paycheck so that you would be able to retire. The gov't didn't believe the people would save enough so they stepped in. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 14:13:47 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R143 on Tue Apr 20 13:49:53 2010. I wasn't speaking of welfare I was speaking of Social Security. I doubt many Americans would have saved enough to retire comfortably. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 14:14:40 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Apr 20 13:29:43 2010. Excellent! |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 14:15:52 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:06:06 2010. That kind of thinking will only make Obamacare more expensive. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 14:18:04 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:06:36 2010. I have never complained about the war. Maybe if we didn't have Rumsfeld in charge in the beginning we would be better off. Why would you or anyone support a poor tactician like him? |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 14:19:06 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:44:01 2010. Not yet. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 14:22:27 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R143 on Tue Apr 20 14:05:02 2010. I wouldn't hand them a salt shaker if they were predisposed to heart disease. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 14:22:40 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Apr 20 13:35:34 2010. IAWTP |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 14:26:42 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 20 09:57:36 2010. You don't need to add any salt to food. If you say you need it as a preservative you are not eating a healthy diet anyway. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 14:27:40 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:01:00 2010. Just look at Ed Koch. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 14:29:25 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:47:44 2010. I buy nothing but salt free canned vegetables if I buy them at all. I prefer fresh or frozen, but there is no problem with salt free canned veggies. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 20 14:35:00 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 14:29:25 2010. Frozen is the best. Men's Health had an awesome article about the benefits of frozen fruits and veggies.I like to steam greens and defrost berries for weight loss. Are you a regular at Trader Joe's? |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 15:14:01 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Apr 20 14:35:00 2010. I eat mainly fruits and a bagel during the day. At night it's usually a pasta salad or salt free soup with veggies & beans. Once a week I might eat some pizza with veggies on it or a bean quesadilla with brown rice.As for Trader Joes, I really just go there for their low salt box soups, and maybe their frozen vegetables. I don't care for the romaine lettuce they have there or their cucumbers. I usually walk to Associated om Metro to pick up my fruits and lettuce. |
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Now the Military wants to take away our freedoms. LOL |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 16:06:59 2010, in response to Obama administration bans salt, posted by Dand124 on Tue Apr 20 07:54:04 2010. Now it seems even old generals want to tell us how to eat.Too fat to fight. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Apr 20 16:38:10 2010, in response to Now the Military wants to take away our freedoms. LOL, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 16:06:59 2010. so if you dont want to be in the military ''fatten up'' and you will be passed up ! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 17:08:22 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 11:57:23 2010. And as I said, take away all those jobs in the process. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 17:13:46 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:08:24 2010. You have to remember, that that is a trait of liberals. Whatever they believe, is always "the" truth, and there are no compromises, or other views. THEY are always right. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Apr 20 17:26:10 2010, in response to Obama administration bans salt, posted by Dand124 on Tue Apr 20 07:54:04 2010. The average American takes 1.5 teaspoon of salt per day, if the average American reduces their salt intake by just .25 a day its the equivalent to taking 2 pills a day to reduce high blood pressure which in turn lowers your chance of getting a heart attack. Also the reduction is over 10 years, and the FDA hasn't even advised on much it will lower salt. Or what products may be exempted... either way this is a good thing, especially when one meal or one can of soup or certain products can contain as much as half a days worth of salt or more.To the rest of you making a bigger issue of this, most doctors agree this is a great move, and if done slowly enough even just by .25 of a teaspoon can significantly improve the health of many Americans. Stop making a mountain of a mole hill, you should be ashamed for trying to say this fascism. If that's true then they should deregulate water, deregulate other things because that's the government overstepping their bounds. Then saying that Obama is banning this... really? You think Obama personally went to the FDA and went "ban salt" fix your title while your at it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Apr 20 17:30:53 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 17:13:46 2010. Oh ... you mean like "tax cuts for the rich will make everything better?" :) |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Apr 20 17:32:48 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Apr 20 17:26:10 2010. It IS a big deal when the regime in power dictates a directive that will change the taste of food. There are low-salt alternatives on the market for those who want them - trouble is they are so horrible that virtually no-one wants them. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Apr 20 17:37:35 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by BMTLines on Tue Apr 20 17:32:48 2010. You sure you'll notice a say 3% a year for 10 years? or perhaps maybe 1.5% every 6 months? Your body will become accustomed to it without thinking about thus the long term change. If they tried say a 15-25-30% less salt in a years time or 2 years time I'd agree, but 10 years I'd say you're quite wrong.Change the taste of food? Isn't it the salt that's changing the taste or rather enhancing the taste of the food? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Apr 20 17:37:37 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by BMTLines on Tue Apr 20 17:32:48 2010. That is, if it's true. There is a reason why there isn't a name to the report. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Apr 20 17:39:18 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 20 11:09:24 2010. I didn't say the government should force you to stop smoking or drinking, only that it should encourage moderation or abstinence in those things,They already do that. Smoking rates have plummeted in the last few decades. Drinking is no longer what it used to be. NCO and Officer Clubs on military bases and posts are closing because young people don't go out and drink as often with their buddies as earlier generations. The military responded with Unified Clubs (officers and enlisted combined) but those are closing too. VFW posts are going down the same route. Back in the day, my father or uncle would drink with their workers on construction sites during breaks. That is now verboten (for good reason). The list goes on. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Apr 20 17:55:23 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 20 11:01:41 2010. It's a question of recalibrating one's taste bud expectations.I don't want to recalibrate my taste bud expectations though. I want my taste buds to continue to distinguish what is good and what sucks. If something is not particularly healthy, I'll just eat less of it but when I DO eat it, I demand that it taste good. I'd rather go deaf than recalibrate my taste buds. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Apr 20 17:59:38 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 10:29:31 2010. I wonder what will happen with those who participate in dare devil sports?I think that sports should always be encouraged. The costs of injuries are more than offset by greater fitness levels, lower obesity rates and the conditions that come with it. Also parents who are sporty and fit, pass on their example and habits to their kids. The same is true for couch potatos. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Apr 20 18:01:10 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Apr 20 17:37:35 2010. You really don't know me - I notice even slight changes in taste and I have a very narrow range of food that I like. Even after two years of eating only "healthy food" - I hated every item and every meal was torture. My palate never adjusted and I went right back to eating what I like.As for salt, it isn't that I really crave it but I detest government directives even more! In fact I will not put salt or any kind of spices or sauce on STEAK - I love my meat blood-red rare and natural! However veggies need to be swimming in salted butter to be barely palatable, and salad needs to be drowning in mayo or real french dressing (not the diet crap) so that I don't taste bare lettuce or any of the other ingredients. Then again I won't add salt to a bacon and egg sandwich because the bacon is salty enough for my taste, and I like eggs without salt but only the yolk - I hate the taste of egg whites. Even cheeses - I only liked the taste of Feta cheese from one particular store in Astoria. Since they closed I have not been able to find a Feta that tastes identical so I can no longer eat it. I am the same way with other cheeses - only Kraft Swiss will do (and not the low sodium or 2% milk varieties - they SUCK) - same with Kraft American - only the original formula is tolerable. What I love is the taste of Cambpell's Cream of Chicken Soup - unfortunately the low salt variety SUCKS! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Apr 20 18:02:09 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by BMTLines on Tue Apr 20 18:01:10 2010. And I shall now take your bottle of trans fats and replace it with non trans-fats (but labeled the same)...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Apr 20 18:02:40 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Apr 20 18:02:09 2010. Or better yet---mix NYC fried potatoes with White Plains fried potatoes :D |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Apr 20 18:05:08 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Apr 20 18:02:40 2010. I can tell the difference - I still order the "meal" at McDonald's if the promotion is cheaper than ordering the "sandwich only" with soda but throw the fries in the trash - that is how much I hate the new formula |
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Posted by SMAZ on Tue Apr 20 18:08:17 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Apr 20 12:06:06 2010. If all Americans supported our president during the war, perhaps it would be over by now.Americans supported Afghanistan and it was over by the end of the Bush Administration. Unfortunately it was a Taliban and al-Qaeda victory. Thank God for Barack Obama turning the tide around in that one and the bad guys are now on the run or dead. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Tue Apr 20 18:14:43 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by SMAZ on Tue Apr 20 17:39:18 2010. They already do that. Smoking rates have plummeted in the last few decades.And obesity rates have risen - see the correlation. It is too bad that government does not embrace the new electronic cigarettes. If you are sucking on one of those that is less time that people have to crave munchies. Drinking is no longer what it used to be. NCO and Officer Clubs on military bases and posts are closing because young people don't go out and drink as often with their buddies as earlier generations. Perhaps because the bars ban smoking - no sense in hanging around if you can't smoke and drink. |
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