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Posted by Dand124 on Tue Apr 20 07:54:04 2010 We are no longer living in a free country, this is fascism, and this must be stopped.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/19/AR2010041905049.html By Lyndsey Layton Washington Post Staff Writer Tuesday, April 20, 2010 The Food and Drug Administration is planning an unprecedented effort to gradually reduce the salt consumed each day by Americans, saying that less sodium in everything from soup to nuts would prevent thousands of deaths from hypertension and heart disease. The initiative, to be launched this year, would eventually lead to the first legal limits on the amount of salt allowed in food products. The government intends to work with the food industry and health experts to reduce sodium gradually over a period of years to adjust the American palate to a less salty diet, according to FDA sources, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the initiative had not been formally announced. Officials have not determined the salt limits. In a complicated undertaking, the FDA would analyze the salt in spaghetti sauces, breads and thousands of other products that make up the $600 billion food and beverage market, sources said. Working with food manufacturers, the government would set limits for salt in these categories, designed to gradually ratchet down sodium consumption. The changes would be calibrated so that consumers barely notice the modification. The legal limits would be open to public comment, but administration officials do not think they need additional authority from Congress. "This is a 10-year program," one source said. "This is not rolling off a log. We're talking about a comprehensive phase-down of a widely used ingredient. We're talking about embedded tastes in a whole generation of people." The FDA, which regulates most processed foods, would be joined in the effort by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which oversees meat and poultry. Currently, manufacturers can use as much salt as they like in products because under federal standards, it falls into the category deemed "generally recognized as safe." Foodmakers are merely required to report the amount on nutrition labels. But for the past 30 years, health officials have grown increasingly alarmed as salt intake has increased with the explosion in processed foods and restaurant meals. Most adults consume about twice the government's daily recommended limit, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Until now, the government has pushed the food industry to voluntarily reduce salt and tried to educate consumers about the dangers of excessive sodium. But in a study to be released Wednesday, an expert panel convened by the Institute of Medicine concludes that those measures have failed. The panel will recommend that the government take action, according to sources familiar with the findings. ad_icon Although the specifics of the government's plans have not been made public, the food industry has been bracing for a federal initiative. "We're working on it voluntarily already," said Melissa Musiker, senior manager of science policy, nutrition and health at the Grocery Manufacturers Association. In recent months, Conagra, Pepsico, Kraft Foods, General Mills, Sara Lee and others have announced that they would reduce sodium in many of their products. Pepsico has developed a new shape for sodium chloride crystals that the company hopes will allow it to reduce salt by 25 percent in its Lay's Classic potato chips. Morton Satin, director for technical and regulatory affairs at the Salt Institute, which represents salt producers, said regulation "would be a disaster for the public." He said that the science regarding sodium is unclear and that consumption does not necessarily lead to health problems. "If you consume a lot of salt, you also get rid of a lot of salt -- it doesn't mean it's an excess," he said. "I want to make sure they're basing this on everything that is in the scientific literature, so we don't end up being guinea pigs because someone thinks they're doing something good." Michael Jacobson of the Center for Science in the Public Interest, which first petitioned the FDA to regulate sodium in 1978, said voluntary efforts by industry are laudable, "but they could change their minds tomorrow. . . . Limiting sodium might be the single most important thing the FDA can to do to promote health." In January, New York City launched a campaign against salt, urging food manufacturers and chain restaurants to voluntarily reduce sodium by 25 percent in their products nationwide over the next five years. Baltimore, Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago and the District are among a list of cities supporting the New York initiative. A recent study by researchers at Columbia and Stanford universities and the University of California at San Francisco found that cutting salt intake by 3 grams a day could prevent tens of thousands of heart attacks, strokes and cases of heart disease. Most salt eaten by Americans -- 77 percent -- comes from processed foods, making it difficult for consumers to limit salt to healthy levels, experts say. "We can't just rely on the individual to do something," said Cheryl Anderson, an epidemiologist at the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health who served on the Institute of Medicine committee. "Food manufacturers have to reduce the amount of sodium in foods." Reducing salt across the food supply will be a massive and technically challenging project. Although many artificial sweeteners have been discovered, there is no salt substitute. Humans have an innate taste for salt, which is needed for some basic biological functions. But beyond flavor, salt is also used as a preservative to inhibit microbial growth; it gives texture and structure to certain foods; and it helps leaven and brown baked goods. Gary K. Beauchamp, a psychobiologist and director of the Monell Chemical Senses Center in Philadelphia, said salt also provides another, less understood quality. "It gives something that food people refer to as 'mouthfeel,' " said Beauchamp, who also served on the Institutes of Medicine committee. "For some soups, for instance, it's not just the salty taste -- sodium makes the soup feel thicker." Policymakers will have to decide whether to exempt inherently salty foods, such as pickles, while mandating changes in other products to reduce the overall sodium levels in the food supply. ad_icon Above all, government officials and food industry executives say, a product with reduced salt must still taste good, or it will flop in the marketplace, as evidenced by several low-sodium products that had abysmal sales. "Historically, consumers have found low-sodium products haven't been of the quality that's expected," said Todd Abraham, senior vice president of research and nutrition for Kraft Foods. "We're all trying to maintain the delicious quality of the product but one that consumers recognize as healthier." |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 08:15:09 2010, in response to Obama administration bans salt, posted by Dand124 on Tue Apr 20 07:54:04 2010. Oh no!!! What's next making us wear seatbelts in cars? Worse yet they may try to stop pregnant women from smoking a drinking. Maybe the government CAN tell a woman what she can do with her body. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 20 08:36:22 2010, in response to Obama administration bans salt, posted by Dand124 on Tue Apr 20 07:54:04 2010. I think the government needs to do something about cigarettes and alcohol before they stsrt fooling with basic foodstuffs. IMHO, this kind of regulation is going to be exceptionally hard to pull off, especially if, as FDA officials concede, sales plummet because the food tastes like cardboard. Food must be tempting and taste good, or else it will not be eaten. Ask any six-year-old about spinach, and he'll tell you why he hates it.Also, many foods cannot be made without certain amounts of salt, because salt creates the chemical reactions that make these foods possible. Pizza, bagels, and most baked goods are examples of this. In any case, I don't see this proposed change happening. Like the alcohol and tobacco industries, the food manufacturers have their lobbyists, too. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 20 09:16:15 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 20 08:36:22 2010. sales plummet because the food tastes like cardboardOne reason food tastes like cardboard is that for fruits and vegetables the natural flavor is not present until ripeness. Fruits/vegetables that ripen off the vine, e.g. in a railroad car, do not get that flavor. Chefs get around this problem with seasoning. Salt (the sodium ion) draws out moisture and concentrates what little flavor is present in the unripened plant. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Apr 20 09:28:44 2010, in response to Obama administration bans salt, posted by Dand124 on Tue Apr 20 07:54:04 2010. You have GOT to be kidding me! What is with this intense regulation nowadays?! There is plenty of information available for the saltiness of various dishes so that consumers can make informed decisions.It's one thing to provide incentives (money!!!!) for companies to look for ways to lower the sodium, but to regulate it?! The costs to enforce this, as was stated beforehand, would be astronimical. Consumers will notice this and the complaints will soar. Gosh, this is worse than the local trans-fats debacle... |
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Posted by bmtlines on Tue Apr 20 09:37:21 2010, in response to Obama administration bans salt, posted by Dand124 on Tue Apr 20 07:54:04 2010. Above all, government officials and food industry executives say, a product with reduced salt must still taste good, or it will flop in the marketplace, as evidenced by several low-sodium products that had abysmal sales.I find 99.999% of low-salt foods to be absolutely HORRID. I once made the mistake of buying a case of low-sodium soups at costco. After opening one can and taking ONE SIP - I trashed the rest of the case without even opening them. Adding salt did not even help - it just made the taste WORSE! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:41:44 2010, in response to Obama administration bans salt, posted by Dand124 on Tue Apr 20 07:54:04 2010. This has GOT to stop, we have got to vote these politicians out of office, it's none of there DAMN business. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:42:46 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 08:15:09 2010. No, it's ridiculous. Next they will ban salt shakers from sitting on a restaurant table, this is F-in ridiculous. Dand is right, we are no longer living in a free society. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 09:44:27 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:42:46 2010. I guess you don't have high blood pressure. If you did you would welcome this idea. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 20 09:46:03 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bmtlines on Tue Apr 20 09:37:21 2010. I find 99.999% of low-salt foods to be absolutely HORRID. I once made the mistake of buying a case of low-sodium soups at costco. After opening one can and taking ONE SIP - I trashed the rest of the case without even opening them.My perspective is different, having been raised on homemade soups made with fresh ingredients and very little salt. To me, the stuff in cans comes from the central kitchens of frank e campbell. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Apr 20 09:46:21 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 09:44:27 2010. It's not the principal I have a problem with. It's the fact that the government is making all of these (unfunded) mandates.Do you know how much it will cost companies/restaurants to do the Research and Development to create these new dishes and products, and hope that the consumers will like them? Why not provide incentives instead of punishing companies? I thought we were supposed to be fixing this economy! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:46:27 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 20 08:36:22 2010. They don't "need" to do "something about alcohol and cigarettes" either. People KNOW the health problems associated with cigarettes, and I don't know what you want them to do about alcohol, it's already illegal to drive drunk, what more do you want them to do, go back to the 1920's?In any case, I don't see this proposed change happening. This salt thing takes the cake. This is what I am talking about with these nanny laws, little by little they keep taking away. If this passes, I GUARANTEE, that the next step will be some municipality banning salt shakers from being on restaurant tables (and that will probably begin in California somewhere), then slowly DEMOCRATIC politicians around the country will pick up on that and legislate THAT away too. Salt will become as taboo as cigarettes with these GOD damn politicians. I am sick and tired of it. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Apr 20 09:46:55 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 20 09:46:03 2010. To me, the stuff in cans comes from the central kitchens of frank e campbell.LOL |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:47:44 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 20 09:16:15 2010. How do you propose they ship ripened fruits and vegetables that have a shelf life of less than a few days in most cases? And in the case of canning vegetables, salt is a necessity. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 20 09:47:55 2010, in response to Obama administration bans salt, posted by Dand124 on Tue Apr 20 07:54:04 2010. yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!THATS THE DAMN TICKET! |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Apr 20 09:48:48 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 20 09:46:03 2010. There ya go. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:51:20 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Apr 20 09:28:44 2010. You have GOT to be kidding me! What is with this intense regulation nowadays?!It's called the Democrats. They will not be happy until this is a complete nanny state. There is plenty of information available for the saltiness of various dishes so that consumers can make informed decisions. The next step for these tyrants will be to ban salt shakers from sitting on restaurant tables, it's almost completely guaranteed. Gosh, this is worse than the local trans-fats debacle... Yes it is. But as I stated a few years ago when that started, that that was just the beginning. They start with one thing, and keep taking and taking and taking. Corn fructose was also recently banned. It sounds silly, to complain about "I want my trans fat", but it's not the "trans fat", it's what it represents, they will KEEP taking. Now it's salt. Next they will want to ban all caffeine from colas and coffee, and so forth. Sound silly? Watch in a few years if this continues. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 09:51:47 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:41:44 2010. If more people took care of their own health we would all benefit. Medical costs would go down. If politicians think lowering salt content will result in less trips to the doctor or emergency rooms it makes sense money wise. Healthy people would result in lower taxes. Even a teabagger or a plumber should be able to figure this no brainer out. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:53:12 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bmtlines on Tue Apr 20 09:37:21 2010. You are absolutely correct. This is FUCKIN ridiculous, and yes, I AM angry. At least now you have the choice of low sodium mayonnaise, or low salt peanuts, or low salt potato chips. These GOD DAMN politicians, mostly Democrats, want to BAN the salt now, so you HAVE to buy the low salt chips. It's friggen ridiculous. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:53:56 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Apr 20 09:46:03 2010. Of course it does. You ARE not getting "home made soup" when you buy a canned soup. What the hell are you expecting? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:55:16 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 09:44:27 2010. And I can go on a low salt diet if I HAVE to. I know very well what high blood pressure is. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 09:55:36 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:53:12 2010. If you want to poison your body with excess salt go right ahead, just don't expect me and other taxpayers to pay more in premiums for your selfishness. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:55:46 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Apr 20 09:46:21 2010. Because THIS is what Democrats do. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:57:20 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 09:51:47 2010. False. I completely don't agree. We KNOW the health risks of smoking (I chose not to smoke, but it's none of the govts business either), drinking in excess, eating fatty foods, and putting too much salt on your food. In a free society, we should be protected from the "protect us from ourselves" crowd. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 20 09:57:36 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:46:27 2010. Alcohol and tobacco are addictive, mind-altering substances, known to be deadly. If the aim in regulating salt is to "protect the health" of the American people, this can be done more effectively by encouraging moderation, if not abstinence, from liquor and cigarettes first. Salt in our foods is often necessary, and, again, the FDA would do better to encourage moderation, rather than attempting to regulate salt out of our foodstuffs.BTW, this "no salt" proposal has been in the works since 2005, making Bush the man who wanted salt off your table, not Obama. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 20 10:00:33 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:51:20 2010. The NYC trans-fat ban was the work of Mayor Bloomberg, a Republican. Why is everybody looking to the Democrats on this, when both trans-fat and the FDA no-salt proposal were GOP creations to begin with? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:04:49 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 20 09:57:36 2010. Alcohol and tobacco are addictive, mind-altering substances, known to be deadly.Yeah, and we KNOW that. It worked "so well" in the 1920's too. It's FOOLS like you, and yes, I am pissed enough at these people to say that, that did that debacle too. If the aim in regulating salt is to "protect the health" of the American people, this can be done more effectively by encouraging moderation, if not abstinence, from liquor and cigarettes first. "Abstinence from liquor and cigarettes first". What the HELL is it your damn business if I chose to smoke? (I don't). What the HELL is it your business if I decide to drink a few beers. This is the kind of attitude that drives me insane, and you actually said "abstinence" from alcoholic and cigarettes. It's your types that want to take away all of our freedoms, and people are not going to stand for it. You are the same hypocrite that says it's "wrong" for the govt to legislate who you marry or if someone has an abortion, but you want to take away people's rights to smoke, drink, eat salt, or eat fatty foods. It's ridiculous. BTW, this "no salt" proposal has been in the works since 2005, making Bush the man who wanted salt off your table, not Obama. Please provide proof that "Bush" started this proposal. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:06:05 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 20 10:00:33 2010. Mayor Bloomberg is NOT a Republican. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 10:09:51 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:55:16 2010. When will you HAVE TO go on this diet? Hopefully not before it is too late. Don't you realize that the modern American diet is filled with excesses? Many Americans are planting the seeds for poor health in their future. Thank God the Democrats are smart enough to see this and save our country from the ignorant masses. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 10:10:21 2010, in response to Obama administration bans salt, posted by Dand124 on Tue Apr 20 07:54:04 2010. In many cases, the amount of added salt is absolutely ridiculous. Fact is, when you eat food that is that high in salt, your body adjusts and you crave the high salt. It takes 3 miserable weeks to reset yourself.Reducing added salt in foods gradually is a good idea, much of it is unnecessary and you'll never notice if they do it as gradually as they say they plan to. Add salt to your taste at the table if you must. Aside from some salt being necessary for baking and cooking foods, way too much is added into many processed foods. I stopped adding salt to 95% of what I eat, aside from what is used in cooking, to drop my blood pressure. I now take no medication for same. This is for real, and if you adjust over time you'll never notice. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 10:10:49 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:06:05 2010. IAWTP. He is whatever he needs to be to get elected. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 10:11:34 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:55:16 2010. Add the salt at the table then. Nobody is stopping you from doing that. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 10:14:41 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bmtlines on Tue Apr 20 09:37:21 2010. Let me know next time. I only use no salt soups and I pay extra at health food stores because most of the larger supermarkets by my house don't carry them. Health Valley Brand. Trader Joes makes an excellent low sodium tomatoe soup that comes in a box. Spelling mistake was intentional for all of the Republicans and teabaggers out here. LOL |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:15:37 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 09:55:36 2010. Yeah, and Obama/Pelosi care was step one in the making taxpayers liable. The first step in regulating what we eat, and how we live. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:16:46 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 10:09:51 2010. Yes, protect us from ourselves. I have no problem with education on it, but they have no right to tell me to do it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:17:44 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 10:10:49 2010. Correct. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 20 10:17:55 2010, in response to Obama administration bans salt, posted by Dand124 on Tue Apr 20 07:54:04 2010. 10-year program.This will go nowhere unless the public supports it. My prediction is that the industry will propose voluntary guidelines. We'll see. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 10:18:34 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Apr 20 08:36:22 2010. I don't think that's what they're talking about. Some soups, and especially packaged dishes (think Rice a roni) have so much added unnecessary salt. Those are the places they should target, slowly over a year or two so people adjust without noticing, or adjust by adding salt at the table if they must. It is very hard to find lower sodium versions of some foods.You can't do anything about the salt content of baked goods,or preserved foods like pickled anything and hams. You can reduce the sodium in Rice a roni packets by half with little if any discernible difference. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:20:46 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 10:14:41 2010. Let me know next time. I only use no salt soups and I pay extra at health food stores because most of the larger supermarkets by my house don't carry them.Yes, and that is a CHOICE we have. There's no ban, and you can chose based on your tastes or likings, or requirements. Trader Joes makes an excellent low sodium tomatoe soup that comes in a box. Yes, Trader Joes sells logs of good and healthy foods, I go there quite often BY CHOICE. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 10:21:09 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:47:44 2010. Process closer to the source. It should not be necessary to transport ingredients over large distances.Some salt may be necessary for canning vegetables, however a lot less than what is used is actually called for. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:22:56 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 10:10:21 2010. Add salt to your taste at the table if you must.Not once they ban salt shakers from restaurant tables because it's "unhealthy". Sound silly? I absolutely guarantee that will be the next step by some legislator. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:23:32 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 10:09:51 2010. Thank God the Democrats are smart enough to see this and save our country from the ignorant masses.Yes, "The people are too dumb to decide what's good for them, so we will do it for them". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:24:27 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 10:21:09 2010. Oh yeah? Especially when certain fruits and vegetables can only be grown in certain locations and climates. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 10:29:31 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:15:37 2010. Canada did the same thing with the cigarette tax. If everyone is paying into health insurance, the sin taxes will go up to defray the costs of those who choose unhealthy living. I wonder what will happen with those who participate in dare devil sports? I think it's only fair that the Evil Knievels of the world pay more for health insurance than I do. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 10:33:15 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:24:27 2010. So? Process them there. That's how it used to be done. Small seasonally-used plants. |
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Posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 10:37:22 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:57:20 2010. I don't want to pay for some fat bastard's health insuarnce. If you want to be a fat swine or a smoker you have to pay more for your health insurance or you get taxed into your senses. This has more to do with money, than protecting us from ourselves. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 10:37:50 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 09:53:56 2010. Something that's made with the minimum amount of added sodium. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 10:43:10 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:22:56 2010. That's where the line should be drawn. That's where it becomes personal choice. However I should not be forced to consume more salt than I wish to simply because it's added to excess in so many foods. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:43:25 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 20 10:33:15 2010. So if you want anything out of season, you are shit out of luck. And you can't grow "apples" down south, and you can't grow "oranges" in the north, and so forth. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 20 10:44:01 2010, in response to Re: Obama administration bans salt, posted by R Pansepcc on Tue Apr 20 10:29:31 2010. We aren't Canada. |
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