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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 29 01:32:45 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Nov 27 21:15:26 2004. I would respectfully, for the SAME reasons you point to Ronnie, that all of the instances where the US became "stupid" were FORGIVEN by the rest of the planet ... "chit happens" is the attitude of most of the world. In *THIS* case however, "we" have not only blown our credibility in terms of our claims to other nations (WMD's as just ONE example, we won't even go INTO the "reckless cowboy/NASCAR" attitude we've projected) and our "stuff it" mentality to the rest of thw world, who once SYMPATHIZED with us over WTC but *now* we've PROVEN that we deliberately did all we did, and we LOVE it (like the perception of Germany among the world in 1939).Maybe I'm a little more attuned to the planet personally since my fortunes were based on WORLDWIDE sales of what I make - Americans ACTUALLY believe that if they have a copy of McAfee or Norton which came with the machine 6 years ago when it was new but has never been updated because they don't want to pay $40 a year or whatever to update their antivirus, that they're "increvable" (French word, translate it HERE) ... bottom line, I *starve* catering to "American values" ... EUROPE and ASIA was who still believe in "if a boy is clever, and he writes better "protection software" than anybody else, then he DESERVES to be PAID for it." Not so with people here in the states that PIRATE our software and thus I *don't* get paid. Lately, I'm paying MORE in bandwidth for the daily updates of our BOClean than I've MADE in selling it. Am I going to punish those who PAID by charging for updates? HELL, NO! THEY paid my bills, how COULD I? :( I get paid in EUROS, British POUND, Australian and Canadian DOLLARS ... I've watched more than 1/3 of my income go away on what FEW international sales we do these dayw, which provided my meager income. And NOW after the election, as well as during the "dollar bust" I'm seeing worldwide retribution towards America for "there's a new sheriff in town and his name NOT be Reggie Hammond" and America voting for it. So YEAH, I'm all FOR a divided country right about now - the simple fact that we're in a globally-recognized BLUE state is the only reason my software's still selling at all (less than 30% of last year with the "$US" conversions on top if it) ... I'm DYING out here as a result of the (lack of) economic policies and the Nixonesque "put the dollar int he toilet, EVERYBODY can affor 30% inflation or thereabouts)" mentality. Nope ... if THIS chit don't stop, I've had about 30 offers from OTHER nations to move our business there and then flourish *with* GUARANTEES of my income. PLUS, Unca Sammy pay me money to DO it. THIS is INSANE! :( United States of Canada and scroo "Jesusland" ain't such a bad idea. And HELL, you're on the north side of the "Global test zone" DESPITE the moron who is your Goobernor. And I don't wanna HEAR it about GOOBERS, we gots PATURKEY. 'Nuff said ... heh. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Nov 29 11:11:42 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 27 12:20:30 2004. Mendacity???? You must mean Kerry. The guy never said one thing that really demonstrated what he really felt about anything and the people saw through the transparency. Mr Flip-Flop was all over the map and it is surprising he fooled enough people to come with 3% of winning. Of course, being a typical Democrat politico he ran a good race despite that because he did fool a lot of people. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Nov 29 11:11:59 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 27 12:20:30 2004. Mendacity???? You must mean Kerry. The guy never said one thing that really demonstrated what he really felt about anything and the people saw through the transparency. Mr Flip-Flop was all over the map and it is surprising he fooled enough people to come with 3% of winning. Of course, being a typical Democrat politico he ran a good race despite that because he did fool a lot of people. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Nov 29 11:16:30 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by American Pig on Sat Nov 27 21:00:06 2004. Not if they are on parole should they vote, and if they commit another crime they should not ever be allowed to vote. That is what makes them a criminal. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Nov 29 11:19:59 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by American Pig on Mon Nov 29 00:41:26 2004. Perhaps you have never heard of Barney Sanders. Well Dude happens to be right. Remember Tom Hayden of our state? Pete Conejo? Come on, liberals do have socialist tendencies. They thing big government is the answer to all the troubles we have. That is why they keep bragging about the 60's--the Job Corps, War on Poverty, etc, etc. Oh, they don't? That's right, I forgot they were colossal failures. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Nov 29 11:24:21 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 29 00:40:56 2004. Hey Dude, that is not what worries me. What keeps me walking the floor at night is the possibility that she will pluck one of our guys and wind up coming back over to our side. How would we like that? Speaking only for myself, I say nuts to that and if I had the temerity to include you without your permission I have the impression that you would give me a pass on that since you would be doing even more worrying than I am. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 29 11:43:29 2004, in response to Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Nov 24 01:42:55 2004. I had a feeling that people would end up talking about anything but Mr. Rove in this thread. And I was about 99 percent right. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 29 16:57:41 2004, in response to Re: Ya know something . . ., posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 29 11:43:29 2004. Gee, ain't you the brainy one. You say he's a shadowy figure. I say he's not. One vote for & one vote against. It's a tie. Discussion over. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 29 21:18:49 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Nov 29 11:19:59 2004. "Remember Tom Hayden"Tom Hayden was not a liberal. He was a radical. |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon Nov 29 22:00:13 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Nov 29 11:16:30 2004. That's why I said "served their time." |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 16:39:46 2004, in response to Re: Ya know something . . ., posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 29 16:57:41 2004. Nah . . . only when everyone agrees that the discussion's over does it end ;-> |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 16:41:19 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Mon Nov 29 11:19:59 2004. Was Eisenhower a liberal with socialist tendencies? Remember, the stroke of his pen created the very socialistic interstate highway system . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 16:47:33 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sun Nov 28 23:47:28 2004. I repeat, no, I'm not, and I won't be what you psychotic Neocons label me as. With all due respect, that is. I have never been a Democrat and never will be; nor am I liberal, because I do not believe in what liberals believe in.You're lucky you have that computer screen to hide behind . . . because nobody ever calls me a liberal to my face—especially when I'm not one and never will be. You know what you remind me of: "In a natural order, the classes are peoples superimposed on one another in strata, instead of living as neighbors. To this order we shall return as soon as the aftereffects of liberalism have been removed." Yeah, the feller who said that. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 16:48:39 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Train Dude on Mon Nov 29 00:09:33 2004. No, this thread is about Karl Rove. Where have I uttered a political mantra? Boy, you have a bad habit of trying to put words in people's mouths. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 16:52:33 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sun Nov 28 23:36:56 2004. Couldn't have been thinking of be, because I'm not a liberal and I want good things to happen to the country.Who's "my party"? Who's "my side"? Your post is filled with non-sequiturs. Who said a family of four with an eighty-grand income is "rich"? Are you just fond of making absolutely no sense whatsoever? |
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Posted by BIE on Tue Nov 30 16:56:34 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 16:41:19 2004. And destroyed the finest rail system in the world. ROTTEN DIRTBALL eisenhower. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 16:57:43 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Train Dude on Sun Nov 28 23:58:15 2004. Olog only wants to discuss Karl Rove as a "shadowy figure". He rejects any deviation from that scenerio.Where did I say that? Putting words in my mouth again, or just don't know how to read? I believe in free speech, per the First Amendment, so that means you can show me how he's not "shadowy" (how often does he speak in public or get interviewed? is a good question to start from). "Shadowy" does not mean "invisible". Seems like those who advise others to "get a dictionary" are in the direst need of one themselves ;-> Is reacting in anger a universal Neocon trait? Just requesting info . . . |
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Posted by BIE on Tue Nov 30 17:04:08 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 16:47:33 2004. A true conservative, and a feisty one at that.. Olog-hai, You're all right. God, I miss my Republican Party when it stood for something. You guys fix it and I might come back. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 17:13:05 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Sun Nov 28 23:42:02 2004. You think the people are than stupid?Politicians sure do. Believe me, the Democrats are being paid off to keep quiet. your boys in Washington try to continue your obstructive tactics there will be more Tom Daschle's biting the dust Who are "my boys"? And why the threats? I can easily recall the fall of 2002 when the Deomcrat Party stubbornly refused to vote to create that Home Security Department Refused to vote? How come the White House's web page says it had strong bipartisan support? (Yeah, that's right, because it did, didn't it . . . you guys squandered it Who's "us guys"? You love those non-sequiturs, I gotta say. Nope . . . the Neoconservative regime squandered the support of the others (liberals, many moderates and conservatives) by the actions of abandoning the search for OBL and heading into Eye-rack. Remember all that "mushroom cloud" talk? |
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Posted by BIE on Tue Nov 30 17:19:13 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 16:47:33 2004. "In a natural order, the classes are peoples superimposed on one another in strata, instead of living as neighbors. To this order we shall return as soon as the aftereffects of liberalism have been removed."Sounds EXACTLY LIKE bu$h america. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 30 19:41:04 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 16:41:19 2004. RULE BREAK ALERT! RULE BREAK ALERT! RULE BREAK ALERT! RULE BREAK ALERT!You mentioned Eisenhower. This discussion was strictly about Karl Rove. Why do you liberalallies need to divert the issues? RULE BREAK ALERT! RULE BREAK ALERT!RULE BREAK ALERT! RULE BREAK ALERT! |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 30 20:35:57 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 16:57:43 2004. Not that I think you are a dummy or anything but didn't you say,"See, you did it again. This thread is about Karl Rove, not Dukakis, JFK or Oxycontin-Man. If I wanted to discuss those people, I would have started a thread about them. As it stands, they (apart from OxyRush) have no effect on the current political landscape. ? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 30 20:39:54 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 16:47:33 2004. If you walk like a liberal and you talk like a liberal you are a liberal and I'll happily say it to your face. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Nov 30 20:41:16 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 16:41:19 2004.  Was Eisenhower a liberal with socialist tendencies? Remember, the stroke of his pen created the very socialistic interstate highway system . What is socialist or liberal about a highway system. A system ostensibly built as part of the National Defence System. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 30 20:49:01 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 16:41:19 2004. The interstate highway system was not built for socialist reasons. It's primary function was to bolster the US auto industry. At the same time it boosted the petroleum industry, rubber industry as well as the industries relying on construction materials and equipment. It seems awfully capitalistic to me. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 21:28:27 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 30 20:49:01 2004. Nope. If it were truly capitalistic, it would be an all-toll system. Where no tolls are charged, it's supported by taxes. It certainly demonstrates its socialistic properties in the rise of the fortunes of the oil industry and related (synthetic rubber tires, asphalt and concrete construction) industries . . . one could almost call it a welfare system of sorts.Originally an idea pushed forward by the fellow in charge of the NSDAP in Deutschland, too. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Nov 30 21:45:01 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 21:28:27 2004. You're being disengenuous again. You know as well as I do, or at least I hope you do, that the NSDAP built the great autobans ostensibly for the purpose of quickly transferring military units from one end of the country (Rhineland) to the other end (Pomerania and Silesia, now part of Poland) When these roadways were built Hitler had already decided on German expansion of Lebensraum. Eisenhower's program had nothing resembling that. |
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Posted by BIE on Tue Nov 30 21:45:29 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 21:28:27 2004. Where do you think eisenhower got his inspiration from |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Nov 30 21:48:34 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 16:47:33 2004. Well Olag, if I wasn't hiding behind this computer and we met face to face and you spouted off what you've been writing on the Internet I would most certainly call you a liberal. You talk and act like one so I don't see why you take upbridge at being called one. I happen to have some liberal friends who I respect and look up to. However, those friends are willing to stand up and be counted. I never said it was something to be ashamed of anyway; I just said that I find that philosophical idea to be way off the mark. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Nov 30 21:52:44 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 16:52:33 2004. I've heard it said on Hannity and Colmes, O'Reilly, Hardball, and C-Span and it is Democrats who have said this when they rounded it out to around $80,000. I've heard Al Sharpton, Ellis Henican, Joe Trippi and others talk about these type of people being rich. You never hear a Republican say anything like this because they know better. A person who is rich earns over $250,000 a year is rich in my book, not one who earns 80 grand. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Nov 30 21:55:05 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by BIE on Tue Nov 30 17:04:08 2004. We still do and would love to have a class act like you back in our fold. We must have passed each other in the night because I was once a Democrat until I realized they resembled nothing like the party of FDR and Truman and JFK. I don't think those men would like what they see of their party today. |
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Posted by BIE on Tue Nov 30 21:55:38 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Nov 30 21:52:44 2004. $9 million net worth is comfortable, $10 million+ is rich. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Nov 30 21:57:43 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 17:13:05 2004. Refused to vote? Try that Senator from Georgia who refused to vote for Homeland Security and it cost him his seat. Max Cleland, you do remember him? And frankly I kind of liked the guy. He gave three fourths of his limbs for his country in Vietnam and he will always have my admiration but he did voted against the bill. |
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Posted by egis semaly on Tue Nov 30 22:02:25 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by BIE on Tue Nov 30 21:45:29 2004. I disagree with Fred on this one. Eisenhower saw the need for such a road network as early as 1919 when it took too long to transport troops around the country on the then existing road net. The autobahns in Germany convinced him of the efficacy of the idea.The following was borrowed from the Eisenhower Presidential Library site. " Together, the united forces of our communication and transportation systems are dynamic elements in the very name we bear -- United States. Without them, we would be a mere alliance of many separate parts." -- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, February 22, 1955 "An inter-state highway system was first considered in the 1930's. President Roosevelt expressed interest in the idea as a way of providing jobs. The Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1938 directed the chief of the Bureau of Public Roads (precursor to today's Federal Highway Administration) to study the feasibility of a six-route national toll road network. The study did not recommend a national toll road system since the then-existing traffic levels would not support its cost. It further recommended a 26,000-mile non-toll "inter-regional" highway network. In high-traffic areas, it would have two lanes in the same direction and limited- access design. The recommendation essentially asked for a 1930's version of today's Interstate system. "The Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1944 created a 40,000-mile "National System of Interstate Highways," but without national importance and no increase in federal funding. Construction of this system began in August 1947, but without increased federal support, many states balked at the idea. Road design standards were not always uniformly applied. "The Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1952 authorized funds on a 50/50 state/federal matching level. These were the first funds dedicated to this cause. But even then, the amount ($25 million) was not enough. When President Eisenhower assumed office in 1953, only 6,000 miles had been completed at a cost of $955 million. " Remembering his 1919 Army trip plus his reaction to how quickly German (and later, Allied) troops could move around that country in World War 2 on the autobahns (built in 1935), Eisenhower pressed for a national highway system. While he wanted such a system, he didn't start it as is commonly believed. What made the idea catch on was his ability to convince people that this was a national, not state, issue. After his transcontinental Army trip he thought a national network of two-lane, paved roads would be sufficient, and in the 1930's that was probably true. That changed after he saw the speed and efficiency offered by the four-lane German autobahns. "The Federal-Aid Highway Act of 1956, created today's Interstate system and was signed by President Eisenhower on June 29, 1956 in a hospital room without any fanfare. (He was recovering from illness.) The federal government would pay 90% of the cost, because it was realized now that this project was national in scope. It further called for road design standards to accommodate traffic levels forecast for 1975, which was later modified to a 20-year forecast. In 1966, all Interstates were required to be at least four lanes with no at-grade railroad crossings. Existing toll roads could continue as Interstate toll roads provided they met Interstate standards. In 1991, the U.S. Congress finally decided to repay states with toll roads that later became Interstates." |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 30 22:10:57 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 21:28:27 2004. You are wrong no matter how much you protest to the contrary. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 01:19:18 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Train Dude on Tue Nov 30 22:10:57 2004. Sure I am, sport ;-> If I'm wrong, then prove me wrong . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 01:22:34 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Nov 30 21:45:01 2004. You know as well as I do, or at least I hope you do, that the NSDAP built the great autobans (sic) ostensibly for the purpose of quickly transferring military units from one end of the country . . . to the other endSo did the USA! Ever heard of "defense highways"? Eisenhower's program had nothing resembling that See above. And remember that the disadvantages of the Autobahn (to the Nazi regime, when the Allies found that they afforded them easy access to the heart of Germany) can also result in vulnerabilities for the USA . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 01:25:10 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Nov 30 21:57:43 2004. One vote does not indicate lack of bipartisan support. |
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Posted by David Fairthorne on Wed Dec 1 01:30:02 2004, in response to Re: Ya know something . . ., posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 30 16:39:46 2004. Karl Rove is said to be the politicial brain behind George W's election and re-election. I agree that he is a "shadowy" figure, in the sense that he seldom if ever speaks on TV. All that I have seen are pictures of him striding along beside the President. |
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Posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Dec 1 02:05:16 2004, in response to Karl Rove (Re: Ya know something . . .), posted by David Fairthorne on Wed Dec 1 01:30:02 2004. He was interviewed on Meet the Press and FOX News Sunday last month. |
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Posted by American Pig on Wed Dec 1 06:26:02 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue Nov 30 21:48:34 2004. This is why the country is so polarized: To the neocons, anybody who isn't a neocon is a liberal. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Dec 1 12:45:44 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by egis semaly on Tue Nov 30 22:02:25 2004. Good post. My point, however, was misinterpreted. I never doubted the efficiency of having a highway system to facilitate troops in time of national emergency, but we were not planning on using that system for offensive war and conquest of our neighbors. East and West are oceans and we never would use such a system for the invasion of Canada and Latin America. Hitler had it in his plans to conquer as much of Europe as he could because he said so in Mein Kampf.1. France is the mortal enemy of Germany and must be destroyed. 2. When we National Socialists look for expansion of our nation we look to the heartland East (Poland, the Baltic States, and, of course, the Soviet Union. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Wed Dec 1 12:48:12 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by BIE on Tue Nov 30 21:55:38 2004. Well, ok. Your conditions are much more "liberal" than mine, no pun intended. Believe me, though, If I was hauling in a quarter of million dollars a year I would certainly not consider myself poor. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 1 19:41:33 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove (Re: Ya know something . . .), posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Dec 1 02:05:16 2004. Okay, but if he was interviewed on those two shows last month does that mean that he is or is not a shadowy figure. If he's interviewed by Al Franken instead of Sean Hannity does that make him even less shadowy? O-Log never explained the libberallies criteria for a shadowy figure. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Dec 1 19:42:56 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Dec 1 01:19:18 2004. That's left handed libberish jibberish. Prove that you are correct! |
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Posted by David Fairthorne on Thu Dec 2 00:06:32 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove (Re: Ya know something . . .), posted by Kevin from Midwood on Wed Dec 1 02:05:16 2004. Thanks for the links, Kevin. Up here in Canada, our official censors (the CRTC) won't allow Fox News to be broadcast, as they think it's biased. Apparently we cannot be trusted to judge for ourselves. Al Jazeera can be broadcast though. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Dec 2 08:28:19 2004, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Broadway Lion on Tue Nov 30 20:41:16 2004. Eisenhower knew that he could not sell the Interstate highway system on the auto lobby's view alone, so the act was pushed though Congress o tne Defense point. |
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Posted by dand124 on Tue Sep 13 19:01:05 2011, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 27 22:41:39 2004. I'm not a liberal, but a moderate (ex-Republican in fact)ex republican then what are you now? My agenda is to be anti-PNAC and anti-Neoconservatism ( lol you're the biggest neocon here. At this point, continuing to hurl "loser" at the anti-Bush platform is simply hurling invective, which is in and of itself indefensible wiat Olog was anti-bush. |
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Posted by dand124 on Tue Sep 13 19:02:55 2011, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 27 12:23:19 2004. WOW back in 2004 Olog sounded intelligent in at least one post |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Sep 13 19:05:20 2011, in response to Re: Karl Rove, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Nov 27 12:23:19 2004. old post 4 sure |
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