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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 05:04:06 2008, in response to What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 04:58:48 2008. Heh. Follow the "down-ticket" and see where even if he loses, McCain will be a "one-term wonder" ... even the wimmens who are displeased with how Obama (and PARTICULARLY his "minions") handled Hillary and they're working VERY hard to ensure that PELOSI calls the shots whatever comes down. McCain won't be able to find his way out of the White House, much less get anything done, and THAT is the bottom line up front in November. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 05:09:12 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 05:04:06 2008. Jacob Weisberg's article is just great. The kind I predicted here a few weeks ago. I wish it would get more publcity though. More people need to read it.As far as riots, I'm still not sure. But as we get closer to the election, the issue of police presence, public disturbances, etc......will be an issue discussed in a serious tone, not just in my regular rants here. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 05:14:16 2008, in response to What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 04:58:48 2008. http://townhall.com/columnists/AustinHill/2008/07/20/if_obama_loses_in_november,_will_america_sufferThis was a pretty cool article. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 05:17:02 2008, in response to What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 04:58:48 2008. Actually, this should be retitled, "Will there be riots in November"? I say that because if Obama wins, there could very well be celebratory riots in the streets, like when an NBA MLB team or something like that, wins a championship. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 05:19:29 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 05:09:12 2008. Oh C'mon ... there ain't gonna BE riots. Where the hell are you getting your info from? Whoever it is, LOSE them! If Obama loses, there will be charges of "told you so, those racist bastards" but given the realities of "in these times" there ain't gonna be riots ... the really BIG question now amongst brothers and sisters becomes "what happens to affirmative action now that Obama got a post position?" :(But if Obama *does* lose, it's only his own failure to DEFINE himself with absolute "here I am" stands for the voters. Yeah, racism might account for 10% of the total vote, and he SHOULD be WAY ahead of that "sacrifice of assholes." Fact that he's NOT is his OWN doing ... time for Obama to grow some BALLS, TAKE a stand, and tell us WHAT he's going to do ... if he does so, all the racists in the nation won't stop him. Dewd *HAS* to grow some balls. Police? What ... is this your WISH? Obviously you don't understand minorities very well ... Huey Newton and Bobby Seale LOST the war, and they KNEW it. You seem to think black people are stupid. :( No offense. Like Hillary, it was HERS to lose ... and she and Bill got MIGHTY stupid and completely wiped out a 30% advantage by not FIRING the asses of her advisors and telling the "diesel dykes" to shove it. Now, it's up to Obama to preserve HIS 8% advantage and tell HIS supporters to learn to respect wimmens, and NOT tell the 50 and 60 year old wimmens to "GET OVER IT." :( *IF* Obama gets a brain trust, gets slapped with baby powder, and TELLS America what he intends to *DO* ... McCain can go drink his wife's beers, eh? And take Lieberman and that cult bastard on a "sea cruise." :) |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 05:28:49 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 05:19:29 2008. Did you read Weisburg's article? The mentality among many is that racism is the only thing that can derail Obama. It's on many people's minds. Same with the riots(win or lose).Answer this: Do you think that police in certain cities will be on alert on Election Day, ready for possible disturbances? I do. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 05:35:56 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 05:28:49 2008. And the police in Denver have jacked up security, and built special holding pens for the DNC for all the arrests they expect to make. So you can imagine what election night might be like. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 25 05:48:44 2008, in response to What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 04:58:48 2008. Some of that is true. When Obama loses, people will blame his race, despite that being his strongest selling point. They will also cry voter fraud EVERYWHERE. Democrats will blame Hillary, making her future presidential run problematic. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 05:51:29 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 05:28:49 2008. No, you're confusing me with someone who CARES ... my mind's already sold. :)I expect all sorts of drama that won't matter on election day, PARTICULARLY out of the "instant news" people and the bullshitters. I don't intend to put a radio or TV on then either until the last state has voted. MIGHT check it out then, but probably STILL won't care. Lemme put it to you THIS way ... when I joined local 100, I was assigned to the IND. IND at the time was mostly rejects from Stillwell ... known as the "N-word" straight out. That I *PICKED* the IND, that made ME one too! :( And with all the SHIT that went down at Stillwell with the folks from south Broooklyn to begin with (and Howard Beach - amazing how many motorpeople there were at Stillwell who were from THAT part of town, Bensonhurst and Brighton) I hung with those who also worked the D and th e F and after CHRYSTIE and the "symbolic invasion" I ended up SIDING with those who TAUGHT me, who CARED, and BACKED me up. I hung out at Betsy Head Pool in Bed-stuy and I felt at HOME there with my buddies. And I caught a LOT of shit for who my "friends" were. YEAH, racism is EVER so much for real - we see it every day right HERE. :( Cops can go do their "hut-hut-hut" thing ... and rip off your tax dollars for such BULLSHIT ... fact IS, "minorities" know when to play, and when NOT to ... else, we'd see some MEXICANS get their proper GOP beatings and killed instead. :( You are REALLY being fed some SERIOUS bullshit ... but it's fair and balanced I guess ... all I can offer is put up STORM shutters, BUY an Uzi, make sure to store plenty of grains and water even if you have to forgo a shower to fill your bathtub, and UNPLUG your computer and TV because them damned knee-grows are COMING for you! Heh. Geez. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 06:00:12 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 05:35:56 2008. It's a liberal enclave, just like NYC ... alas, Denver is a place that "terrorists" chuckle over- about as likely to get "hit" as Albany. Once again, you have over-reaction when cops are let loose to imagine their worst nightmares and ACT on them. If we DO get attacked again, it'll be just as BIG an "out of nowhere" surprise as 9/11. Arresting whiners is an exercise in masturbation for REAL copes, every bit as much as when I was penned up in Wrigley Field for the crime of "being a reporter with a recording device" in 1968 in Chicago. $10 bail, went home, was done. :)KNOW the difference between "posturing and doublespeak" and reality ... though with Ghouliani in NYC when the GOP came hosing the city, it became ALL too real for a bunch of kibbitzers who had no CLUE as to how to wire up a bomb. It's POLITICS, "street drama" and worthless as to "news" ... except for those channels you're pissing away your SUMMER paying attention to instead of getting some AIR around your ass. Heh. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 06:01:05 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 25 05:48:44 2008. But what if he wins? Don't you see celebration riots as another possibility? You can bet there will be huge gatherings at Rev. Wright's church, DNC offices in Chicago, and other places. Either way, law enforcement will be in HIGH ALERT. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Mon Aug 25 06:10:03 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 05:17:02 2008. I doubt that will happen. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 25 06:10:24 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 05:19:29 2008. WOW, I actually agree with your post almost 100%!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 25 06:16:03 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 05:28:49 2008. Obama will not be defeated because of racism, it will be because he doesn't say anything when he speaks. Of course, yes, there are many that believe that the only reason people don't like Obama is because of his race, but that really is hogwash. Listen to the man, all he does is repeat everything that's wrong in the country, to thunderous applauce, and scream "change", and I am different, and crap like that, but people are beginning to see that he doesn't say what he is going to do....he only says what's wrong."The American people are frustrated".... (thunderous applause) "The American Worker wants more for their dollar" (thunderous applause). "People are tired of the current administration" (applause) "People want out of Iraq" (applause) "We need alternate sources of energy" (applause) "etc, etc." (applause) He sounds great with all that, but he said absolutely nothing. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Aug 25 08:40:36 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 06:01:05 2008. You really blow things out of proportion. Have you ever walked in Harlem? |
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Posted by MJF on Mon Aug 25 08:52:21 2008, in response to What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 04:58:48 2008. I guess you'll be moving to a gated community. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 25 08:54:29 2008, in response to What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 04:58:48 2008. Simple...Obama helps make life very hard for McCain. The Democrats will still hold onto the Senate very strongly, and McCain will have to nominate people the Democrats will approve.As for police presence needed; as they say in Russia: Nyet! If there were no riots after the acquittal of the detectives in the Sean Bell case...what makes you think this will be needed? |
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Posted by MJF on Mon Aug 25 08:55:55 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 06:01:05 2008. You are a fear monger. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 08:56:26 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by MJF on Mon Aug 25 08:52:21 2008. I fully expect whites to join the unrest, if there is any. Look at the people in Denver. And look at the people at the Celtics riots in Boston. They're mostly white. But let's face it, Election Day won't be a quiet night. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 08:59:03 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 25 08:54:29 2008. NYC is not the only city in the country. How NY'ers react, may not be the same as LA, Chicago, New Orleans, or Atlanta.Besides, the dems have elevated the expectations of people so much, that if Obama does not win, his supporters will think it was stolen from him. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Aug 25 09:00:16 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 05:17:02 2008. No there won't be any riots. We don't have election riots because we have a system that works. People are pretty used to their candidates losing. Not everyone wins. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 09:01:07 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by MJF on Mon Aug 25 08:55:55 2008. Nope. Just having an honest and open discussion. When November rolls around, and police are on high alert, and you hear reports of police in riot gear around the country, you'll realize a lot of people think this is a possibility.Did you even read the articles I mention? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 09:03:01 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Easy on Mon Aug 25 09:00:16 2008. This is different. |
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Posted by MJF on Mon Aug 25 09:03:34 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 08:56:26 2008. Those who cause mayhem should be arrested and thrown in jail. If it happens, it happens.Are you afraid? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 09:07:17 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by MJF on Mon Aug 25 09:03:34 2008. not really. but you just don't know how people will react around the country. i think the possibility at least exists, and police forces around the nation will address this issue for the Election. |
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Posted by MJF on Mon Aug 25 09:11:54 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 09:01:07 2008. I have no intention of reading those articles. I'm usually not interested in anyone's opinion in political matters. I can draw my own conclusions from what's presented to me here on OTChat. ;-)People's emotions sometimes get the better of them. If it results in property damage of physical injury, they should be dealt with appropriately by the police. Lock 'em up. As far as having a discussion of this issue, fine. But I think this is a tempest in a teapot. Cities will not burn if a candidate loses. Some hotheads may voice their displeasure but life will go on for the majority of people. |
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Posted by MJF on Mon Aug 25 09:12:37 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 09:07:17 2008. Duly noted. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 25 09:13:04 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by MJF on Mon Aug 25 08:55:55 2008. No, he's just obsessed with Obama and race. |
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Posted by MJF on Mon Aug 25 09:17:56 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by AlM on Mon Aug 25 09:13:04 2008. Agreed. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 25 09:23:21 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 08:59:03 2008. I'm predicting peace, however, and no riots aside from maybe a few wackos here and there. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 25 09:29:15 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 05:04:06 2008. You're saying what I have been for some time...for instance, Pelosi may be the reason why Bush's tax cuts are allowed to expire in 2010...although IMO, each should be examined case by case, and the most beneficial ones kept. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 25 09:47:40 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 09:03:01 2008. I don't think so. While yes, this election is somewhat different, I don't think is still all that hardcore that it would cause riots. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Aug 25 09:53:04 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November? Will America Suffer?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 05:14:16 2008. McCain will be pretty hamstrung unless the utter surprise happens: Republicans take back control of Congress...which won't happen this year. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 25 10:04:41 2008, in response to What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 04:58:48 2008. Nothing happened when Jesse Jackson lost. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 10:12:17 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 06:00:12 2008. "Air around your ass"...I like that, that is something you should tell people who sit too much... |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 10:32:29 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 25 06:16:03 2008. I agree, but people are willing to go with him instead of with McCain...especially those who don't want to continue getting ass dicked. I have a feeling even some racist people who usually vote might either not vote at all, or maybe even go with the brown guy...because they are tired of the slapdick.Heck it might be BETTER to get a president that won't do ANYTHNG instead of going for McCain...McCain pretty much said he will put this country as far into the CHIT-HOLE as it can go before it runs out of gas. The real people Obama has to worry about are the racists, and extreme capitalists WITHIN the white house...He might even have to worry about HIS OWN people... If he starts barking up the wrong tree, he might get killed for it... Maybe one reason Obama hasn't said anything definite is because this country has been put so far into the chithole, that he doesn't know where to start...Let's say Obama DOES win...he will see how he gives some people hope of some sort, and then this will activate a self-fulfilling prophecy, and he will do real good stuff. Bottom line is that I'd rather give Obama a shot, rather than give some old guy, whose actions WE CAN PREDICT... Heck, I think we need Al Gore...I kind of wish Gore was the vice president... I wish gore was the president...But you know why he lost? Because of the sensationalist religious bastards...yes, Jews, and Christians and all extremists alike...over abortion... People who voted for Bush due to the fact that he was "pro-life" were very childish...and don't look at history to know what happens in certain situations...Bush doesn't seem so pro-life now, does he? GORE 2008!!!! I also think the Bush administration had a part in blowing up the WTC.... There were explosions in the buildings....Not from airplanes...Note how all the terrorists were from oil countries as well...very convenient, and somehow that gave us a right to go into those countries...what a shame... Hugo Chavez was kind of right...Bush is kind of like the devil. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Mon Aug 25 10:33:48 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 10:32:29 2008. Here we go again;BULL IGNORANCE ABUSE SHAME |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 25 10:35:32 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 25 05:51:29 2008. ["I hung out at Betsy Head Pool in Bed-stuy and I felt at HOME there with my buddies."]While this has nothing to do with the topic, Betsy Head Pool is in Brownsville, not Bed Stuy. Had to sit inside the gates in a radio car for many a midnight tour on a fixed post to keep kids from sneaking in and drowning!!
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 10:37:38 2008, in response to What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 04:58:48 2008. Who needs riots, I'd rather see people storm the white house, if it was NECESSARY...But it probably won't happen...But you seem a bit paranoid... Why would there be a police presence in black neighborhoods? THEY DON'T GIVE A CHIT about those neighborhoods...If those people are dumb enough to screw up their neighborhoods more than they already are, then the police will let them do it, as long as they don't mess up the "nicer" areas... |
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Posted by R33/R36 Mainline on Mon Aug 25 10:47:37 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 10:32:29 2008. I also think the Bush administration had a part in blowing up the WTCAgreed. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Aug 25 10:49:49 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Ken S. on Mon Aug 25 10:33:48 2008. Don't pay any attention to him. He's just forgotten to wear the tinfoil inside his hat lately. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 10:52:09 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Ken S. on Mon Aug 25 10:33:48 2008. What? the post I made wasn't anything like that...you are just haveing a BAD attitude now... |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 10:53:14 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by R33/R36 Mainline on Mon Aug 25 10:47:37 2008. Though I can't really accuse them, they probably ddin't take the proper precaustions...and I partly blame Clinton as well... |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 25 11:02:50 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 10:32:29 2008. ["Maybe one reason Obama hasn't said anything definite is because this country has been put so far into the chithole, that he doesn't know where to start..."]Only 5% unemployment, almost everyone with cars, TV's, air conditioning, etc. Freedom of speech, press, religion, etc; some "chithole".
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 25 11:03:40 2008, in response to What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 04:58:48 2008. The bottom line is if Barack loses, America wins. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 25 11:05:29 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 10:32:29 2008. Bush has as much a part in blowing up the WTC as I have a part in the Malbone Street wreck. |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 11:09:53 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 25 11:03:40 2008. How is that the bottom line? What are you talking about? The war on terror? |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Mon Aug 25 11:15:14 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Aug 25 11:02:50 2008. Ok...And unemployment incresed since Bush...and you display a rather simple mindset...everyone with cars and TV is not necessarily something good..though it is good for the oil cronnies...And haven't you been reading the crap photographers go through?? Businesses shutting down... And how they are trying to convert America into a police state??? You should take your head out of the sand and have a GOOD look around...Do you know what is goingon in the middle east, because of the BUSH administration? Unfortunately, many people share your mindset, and eat the crap the manipulated media feeds you... |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Aug 25 11:19:05 2008, in response to Re: What if Barack Loses in November?, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 25 09:01:07 2008. Your discussion is full of bigotry and hatred, having a doomsday perception of blacks. |
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