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Posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 4 02:30:38 2016 fiogf49gjkf0d Trump's Nuclear Football In a week of campaign madness, the only issue that matters is Trump's terrifying ignorance about nuclear weapons. Trump's Nuclear Football By Emily Arrowood \| US News & World Report There's been no shortage of conjecture on what kind of president Donald Trump would be, but today we received a peek into a terrifying possibility: the kind that starts a nuclear war. Trump repeatedly wondered why the U.S. doesn't use its nuclear arsenal, according to an account relayed by MSNBC's Joe Scarborough Wednesday morning. "Several months ago, a foreign policy expert went to advise Donald Trump," Scarborough recalled. "And three times he asked about the use of nuclear weapons – three times he asked. At one point, 'If we have them, why can't we use them?'" The Trump campaign denies this conversation took place, but this isn't the first time he's reportedly expressed a desire to use nukes: He told MSNBC's Chris Matthews he'd be willing to drop a nuclear weapon on Europe and would never take the use of nukes off the table in any situation; in an interview with Bloomberg, he said the key to making other countries respect us to is to be "unpredictable" with our use of nuclear weapons. It's tempting to view such yearning to use nukes as just another notch on Trump's crazy belt. It's only Wednesday, and already this week he's doubled down on his feud with a Gold Star family, refused to endorse House Speaker Paul Ryan and Sens. John McCain and Kelly Ayotte for re-election, tossed a baby out of a rally and preemptively declared the November election rigged, to say nothing of his continued refusal to release his tax returns or explain his campaign's relationship with Russia. Republican bigwigs are reportedly planning an intervention to get him back on message. But carelessly flirting with the idea of launching nuclear weapons isn't a gaffe. It isn't offensive or bizarre, like so much of Trump's rambling. It's deadly serious, and good reminder that nothing else really matters if the Republican nominee gets his stubby fingers on nukes. Our nuclear command security sequence isn't really equipped with checks and balances to stop a president who wants to set off nuclear weapons. As a nuclear security expert explained to Politico, "There are no restraints that can prevent a willful president from unleashing this hell. If he gave the command, his executing commanders would have no legal or procedural grounds to defy it no matter how inappropriate it might seem." In other words, if we elect Trump in November, he basically has free-range to nuke the first person or country to tweet an insult in his direction. Trump at least appears to appreciate that nuclear weapons do terrible things. (Silver lining?) He's previously said he would "love to see a nuclear-free world" and that he'd "be the last to use nuclear weapons. It's a horror to use nuclear weapons." Yet to openly wonder why we don't use them reflects a spine-tingling ignorance of the doctrine of mutually assured destruction, even more troublesome than his obvious unfamiliarity with the nuclear triad in a debate during the primary. And with Trump's number-one foreign policy adviser being himself, it isn't likely he'll educate himself on the issue anytime soon. Experts credit mutually assured destruction as the single largest contributor to world peace over the last 50 years. Haphazardly or not, Trump is expressing his desire to toss that out the window – "mutual assurance" is basically the opposite of Trump's preferred unpredictability. Former national security adviser John Noonan lays this out in exceptional, horrifying detail (read his full thread here), but his overarching point is: Trump would toss out this established nuclear strategy in favor of ... what? Most likely whatever happens to pop into his head at the time. Former CIA Director Michael Hayden said he's "very, very concerned" by the possibility of Trump with the nuclear codes, particularly because of how "erratic" he is. As Hillary Clinton put it in her speech at the Democratic National Convention, "A man you can bait with a tweet is not a man we can trust with nuclear weapons." The ghostwriter of Trump's "The Art of the Deal" recently told The New Yorker: "I genuinely believe that if Trump wins and gets the nuclear codes there is an excellent possibility it will lead to the end of civilization." The Republican nominee is proving he has no desire to take that possibility off the table.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu Aug 4 02:42:54 2016, in response to 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 4 02:30:38 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Emily Arrowood of Media Splatters, eh. Propaganda fresh from Soros' coffers. 六百六十六
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Posted by bingbong* on Thu Aug 4 08:16:00 2016, in response to 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 4 02:30:38 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Thtas what I've been saying all along. Yes, he could actually do it and apparently doesn't see or understand how risky and destabilizing even loose talk about using nukes can be. He really needs to lose this election, and lose hard. Same with the downticket, republicans need to be purged from office in order to assure the world that this is the end of the crazy.
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Posted by TerrApin Station* on Thu Aug 4 08:26:12 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 4 08:16:00 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Why are you even talking about it? You said it would be impossible for him to win. You should be downswing your time discussing other topics.
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Posted by bingbong* on Thu Aug 4 08:28:19 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Aug 4 08:26:12 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d That was one gob of gibberish. Try again. Or better yet, skip it.
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Posted by terRAPIN station* on Thu Aug 4 08:42:15 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 4 08:28:19 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d There was only one auto-correct word failure in that post. Surely you're not that stupid?
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Posted by terRAPIN station* on Thu Aug 4 08:42:43 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 4 08:16:00 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Why are you even talking about it? You said it would be impossible for him to win. You should be spending your time discussing other topics.
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Posted by bingbong* on Thu Aug 4 08:54:37 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Aug 4 08:42:43 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d That fact is dependent on keeping the dangers of trump evident, through constant work in getting the messages out. The nuclear threat of a trump presidency is just gaining traction, expect this point to remain alive for the duration. There's also his trade war risk, his policies that would create a worldwide and deep recession (we are barely recovering from what the last republican did to the economy and are still not completely back after EIGHT years). There's even more that I don't have the time to get into. Much more.
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Posted by R2ChinaTown* on Thu Aug 4 09:33:52 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 4 08:54:37 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d You don't have time? Why? You're not going to be on OTChat all day like every other day?
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Thu Aug 4 09:56:35 2016, in response to 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 4 02:30:38 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d I wonder if a reboot of the "Daisy" ad would get this message into people's heads, about how thoroughly dangerous Trump would be if elected...
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Posted by AlM* on Thu Aug 4 11:41:33 2016, in response to 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 4 02:30:38 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Having been acquainted with 3 people who had serious cases of narcissistic personality disorder, I would say there is one positive thing that makes the nuclear option less likely. The people I've known have never used their own personal version of the nuclear option (i.e., totally blowing up and irrevocably ending a useful relationship) because it would be detrimental to their own inconvenience or comfort. I don't think Trump would want to be a survivor of a nuclear war. One small tidbit of optimism. Nothing conclusive. :(
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com* on Thu Aug 4 12:22:29 2016, in response to 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 4 02:30:38 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d i remember that ad when i was little
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Thu Aug 4 13:12:30 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Aug 4 02:42:54 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Shooting the messenger is the only way you can respond.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Thu Aug 4 16:12:46 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 13:12:30 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d As though Fox News, Breitbart, or any of the other echo chamber would cover it.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Thu Aug 4 16:18:17 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 4 16:12:46 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d You're obsessed with Fox.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Thu Aug 4 17:26:59 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Aug 4 16:18:17 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d I've been obsessed with "media" which allowed Trump to happen in the first place. Excellent work!
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Posted by R2ChinaTown* on Thu Aug 4 18:11:02 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Aug 4 16:18:17 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Notice, he's replaced the "talking lamp" with the "Echo Chamber" in his rants and camazingly, so did bingbong. I wonder who writes their script.
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Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Thu Aug 4 18:14:29 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu Aug 4 18:11:02 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Doesn't know the difference between a talking lamp and the echo chamber. Lulz! Well ... certainly explains why you're a Trumpster.
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Posted by Express Rider* on Thu Aug 4 18:48:08 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Aug 4 12:22:29 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d and there's also Bonnie Dobson's "Morning Dew"
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Posted by Express Rider* on Thu Aug 4 18:49:49 2016, in response to 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 4 02:30:38 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d And he's never seen any photos of Nagasaki & Hiroshima? Read any survivors' accounts? He is very dangerous. willfully ignorant and doesn't give a damn.
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Posted by Chicagomotorman* on Thu Aug 4 19:26:15 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 4 18:14:29 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Klutz
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Posted by R2ChinaTown* on Fri Aug 5 09:29:12 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by Express Rider on Thu Aug 4 18:49:49 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Hiroshima, 100,000 Japanese died. Tokyo, 140,000 died during conventional & fire bombing. War sucks. Nuclear war would suvk more. Losing the war would suvk most of all.
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Posted by R2ChinaTown* on Fri Aug 5 09:33:14 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 4 18:14:29 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d I guess reading is not one of your strong points. At your age, I wouldn't worry about it, though.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Aug 5 10:01:41 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by Express Rider on Thu Aug 4 18:49:49 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d You would have preferred no "Ningen Sengen", then? Hitting those two cities with primitive nukes actually saved millions of lives.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Aug 5 10:09:17 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by Express Rider on Thu Aug 4 18:49:49 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Of course the two Trumpists who responded interpreted your post as a condemnation of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings. Sigh.
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Posted by R2ChinaTown* on Fri Aug 5 10:13:38 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 10:09:17 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Hardly willfully ignorant. I just won't play the "what would Donald do" game. We've already seen Hillary under fire. No guessing there. You clintonistas make such predictable arguments.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Aug 5 10:48:41 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Aug 5 10:13:38 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d The whole point of choosing a candidate for office is deciding "what would [candidate] do." Hillary has been excellent under fire.
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Posted by SMAZ* on Fri Aug 5 10:53:44 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 10:48:41 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d PWN3D!!!
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Posted by R2ChinaTown* on Fri Aug 5 12:26:24 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 10:48:41 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Especially when she landed in Bosnia under fire and that little terrorist girl ran up to her with the exploding flowers.
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Posted by R2Chinatown* on Fri Aug 5 12:46:17 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by SMAZ on Fri Aug 5 10:53:44 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Is it that English is your 2nd language or is it just that you are not too bright IRL?
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Posted by R2Chinatown* on Fri Aug 5 13:23:37 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 10:48:41 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Aug 5 13:28:26 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Aug 5 12:26:24 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d So many people lost their life savings because of that lie.
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Posted by R2Chinatown* on Fri Aug 5 13:33:18 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 13:28:26 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d So it was not a lie, then unless you lose your life savings? How many people lost money because of Hillary's futures trading scam? Now there's a lie.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Aug 5 14:18:59 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by R2Chinatown on Fri Aug 5 13:33:18 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Haven't you ever heard of scale? Everything is equally bad? I guess that's why so many things were all punishable by death back in "conservative" times.
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Posted by R2ChinaTown* on Fri Aug 5 14:28:28 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 5 14:18:59 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Scale? Benghazi? Hillary lied and Americans died? Something like that?
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Posted by AlM* on Fri Aug 5 14:33:40 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Aug 5 14:28:28 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Hillary took information she was given by other departments of the government and repeated it in good faith. And she was just as responsible for the deaths of Americans in Benghazi as Reagan was for the deaths of 240+ Marines in Beirut. She's done some dubious things, but so have Sanders, Martin O'Malley, Rubio, Kasich, Jeb Bush, etc. (I certainly don't need to mention you-know-whom - you know what he's done).
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Posted by R2ChinaTown* on Fri Aug 5 14:39:30 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by AlM on Fri Aug 5 14:33:40 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d LOL. Who told Hillary that she landed under gunfire in Bosnia?
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Posted by AlM* on Fri Aug 5 14:52:40 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by R2ChinaTown on Fri Aug 5 14:39:30 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d You brought up lies that harmed people. That lie didn't.
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Posted by R2Chinatown* on Fri Aug 5 15:41:29 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by AlM on Fri Aug 5 14:52:40 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Actually, I think you need to learn to read with more comprehension. Pigs said that "Hillary has been excellent under fire.". I pointed out where she claimed to be under fire from a little girl with flowers. It was, however, Pigs who brought up "lies" and that Hillary's were less damaging than Trump's. I'm sure that if you go back, you'll see that I am correct.
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Posted by AlM* on Fri Aug 5 15:49:34 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by R2Chinatown on Fri Aug 5 15:41:29 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d You said "Hillary lied and Americans died." I responded to that.
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Posted by R2Chinatown* on Fri Aug 5 15:57:30 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by AlM on Fri Aug 5 15:49:34 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d So then you admit that you were wrong once again
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Posted by SMAZ* on Sat Aug 6 09:34:46 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by R2Chinatown on Fri Aug 5 13:23:37 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d Let's talk about Ivanka's father-in-law.
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Posted by AlM* on Sat Aug 6 09:53:44 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by SMAZ on Sat Aug 6 09:34:46 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d I'd rather talk about Trump's father-in-law. :)
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Posted by terRAPIN station* on Mon Aug 8 12:57:12 2016, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 4 08:54:37 2016.* fiogf49gjkf0d No, you said it would be virtually impossible for him to win.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Mar 25 04:55:20 2025, in response to Re: 7...6...6...8...9.............................Nine, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 4 13:12:30 2016.* Not applicable to propagandists, Spider-Coward.
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