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The Eighth Wonder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Jun 10 22:47:07 2024 It's no longer just a (very) big factory, it's an industrial city. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 01:24:06 2024, in response to The Eighth Wonder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger., posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Jun 10 22:47:07 2024. The neighbors are complaining |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 11 07:46:38 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Wonder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger., posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 11 01:24:06 2024. What neighbors? There were no neighbors, nor even roads when they started building. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 12 01:40:47 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Wonder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger., posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 11 07:46:38 2024. https://www.yahoo.com/news/homeowners-furious-over-blinding-lights-113000935.html#:~:text=Now%2C%20the%20electric%20vehicle%20(EV,difficult%20for%20people%20to%20sleep. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 12 01:42:33 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Wonder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger., posted by Orange Blossom Special on Tue Jun 11 07:46:38 2024. Google "neighbors complaining about light pollution from Tesla factory in Austin, Texas" and you'll see |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 03:24:06 2024, in response to The Eighth Wonder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger., posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Jun 10 22:47:07 2024. You nearly worship that monstrosity. Once Musk sees the truth about "climate change", he'll pull the plug (pardon the pun). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 08:24:02 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 03:24:06 2024. LOL! EVs aren’t at all about climate change.Elon Musk should get into nuclear power. |
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Posted by DANd124 on Wed Jun 12 08:47:19 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 08:24:02 2024. The attempt to revive them after they were rejected for a century is about climate change. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 08:56:18 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by DANd124 on Wed Jun 12 08:47:19 2024. They were rejected because battery technology wasn’t there. It is now.I actually don’t care if EVs are worse for the environment. I’d still prefer them. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 08:57:11 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 08:56:18 2024. I meant “were.” Sorry everyone. I guess I’m not in a subjunctive mood. |
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Posted by DANd124 on Wed Jun 12 09:02:12 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 08:56:18 2024. They're fine if all you do is commute daily if you want to take road trips they aren't good. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 12 09:13:40 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 08:24:02 2024. Elon Musk should get into nuclear power.I doubt he is competent enough nowadays to deal with all the challenges of doing nuclear power at a reasonable cost. The errors of judgment he has made in running Tesla and X in the last few years are enormous. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 09:17:10 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by DANd124 on Wed Jun 12 09:02:12 2024. I’ve taken a road trip in one. It’s only a problem if you’re on the road with too many at the same time, with some sort of massive pilgrimage-style event (like a solar eclipse). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 09:17:56 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by AlM on Wed Jun 12 09:13:40 2024. He’s not competent at anything. There are engineers who work with him who actually do things. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Wed Jun 12 09:42:03 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 09:17:10 2024. Or you have an EV that does not have sufficient charging infrastructure or are traveling through rural areas especially Nevada, midwest, etc. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 09:44:43 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Jun 12 09:42:03 2024. Yes. The non-Tesla EVs are lacking in that regard. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Jun 12 10:36:04 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 09:44:43 2024. Haven't they standardized that yet? I thought all the 2024 EVs / forward were to use the Tesla connector. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 12 11:06:37 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by mtk52983 on Wed Jun 12 09:42:03 2024. Even in Nevada the EV charging stations are placed much more closely than 300 miles apart.It's more that you have to plan. And that you can't go wandering around a rural area at will without ever returning to "civilization" for a charger. For example, I can imagine that if you spend multiple days going hither and thither among Bryce Canyon and Capitol Reef National Parks, and Grand Staircase - Escalante National Monument between the two, you might have to leave that scenic area just to go find a charger. But you really have to stretch to find an example like that. Mostly it's just that you must always be planning when you're on a road trip, which is a burden. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 12:35:34 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by bingbong on Wed Jun 12 10:36:04 2024. I haven’t seen it yet. It was supposed to start with 2025. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 12:44:06 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by AlM on Wed Jun 12 11:06:37 2024. There’s a Tesla destination charger in Tropic, Utah and a supercharger coming “soon” to Bryce Lake House. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jun 12 15:04:14 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by bingbong on Wed Jun 12 10:36:04 2024. I also thought there was an adapter to use Tesla chargers. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Jun 12 15:12:20 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 09:17:56 2024. He does set the company direction, among other things. Don't know how involved he in day-to-day matters anymore. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 15:36:49 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 03:24:06 2024. Too bad nobody replied. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Jun 12 16:10:41 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 09:17:56 2024. To build an economical nuclear plant, you need to be competent at managing. He no longer is. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Jun 12 16:38:55 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by AlM on Wed Jun 12 09:13:40 2024. I agree. I mean look how successful AlM is compared to Elon Musk. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 12 16:54:10 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by DANd124 on Wed Jun 12 09:02:12 2024. Which is why I would never consider one until all of these problems and glitches are worked out. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 22:03:57 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by 3-9 on Wed Jun 12 15:04:14 2024. Ford was supposed to release one in 2024. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Wed Jun 12 22:18:32 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 12 16:54:10 2024. ...and the price comes down, |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 22:22:53 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 12 16:54:10 2024. Fair enough. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Thu Jun 13 04:07:46 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 22:22:53 2024. I would get a Jeep 4xE |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 13 05:48:25 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 12 16:54:10 2024. The KIA EV6 is a hot looking vehicle but EVs run contrary to the true interests of this country. When taken into consideration, the mining of needed minerals just to make the batteries, an EV need be driven 7 years before the environment benefits. That and the economic damage to this country caused by EVs is certainly no zero sum game. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jun 13 07:14:06 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 13 05:48:25 2024. an EV need be driven 7 years before the environment benefitsFrom a magazine that isn't on your reading list. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2024/06/electric-car-battery-longevity-right-to-repair/678641/ EVs Could Last Nearly Forever—If Car Companies Let Them An electric car capable of running for 1 million miles is within reach. By Matteo Wong JUNE 8, 2024 In April, a group of people in a red Tesla driving through the Moroccan desert were glued to the odometer on the car’s giant touch screen. “Two million, Hans! Two million,” exclaimed the front-seat passenger to the owner and driver, Hansjörg von Gemmingen-Hornberg. His 2014 Model S had become likely the first electric vehicle to drive 2 million kilometers, or more than 1.2 million miles. The car could have traveled from the Earth to the moon and back, twice, then circled the equator 11 times. The journey wasn’t entirely seamless. The car has had its share of repairs, including several battery and motor replacements. A handful of gas-powered cars have driven farther, most of all a 1966 Volvo that racked up some 3 million miles over five decades. But such fantastic mileages are becoming far easier to accomplish for ordinary commuters with electric cars. On a technological level, it’s possible that we’re not far from a time when nobody would flinch at an EV with as much mileage as von Gemmingen-Hornberg’s—that is, unless car companies themselves get in the way. Unlike gas-powered engines—which are made up of thousands of parts that shift against one other—a typical EV has only a few dozen moving parts. That means less damage and maintenance, making it easier and cheaper to keep a car on the road well past the approximately 200,000-mile average lifespan of a gas-powered vehicle. And EVs are only getting better. “There are certain technologies that are coming down the pipeline that will get us toward that million-mile EV,” Scott Moura, a civil and environmental engineer at UC Berkeley, told me. That many miles would cover the average American driver for 74 years. The first EV you buy could be the last car you ever need to purchase. Gas cars are already astonishingly durable. In theory, they can just keep getting repaired (that’s how you get classic cars). But after they get to be about 12 to 15 years old, major problems such as a shot engine or a broken transmission are frequently not worth the cost of repair. Even without problems, a newer car is likely to have much better gas mileage than an older one, making a trade-in appealing. EVs are still so new that few of them are a decade old, meaning we have yet to figure out the exact limit of their life span. The ones that do exist give us some sense. Several older Teslas and Nissan Leafs have topped 300,000 miles—as did the first three batteries in von Gemmingen-Hornberg’s million-miler. His first Tesla, a Roadster purchased in 2009, has itself traveled more than 400,000 miles. The biggest factor in EV longevity is the batteries. Just like those in a smartphone, they degrade over time. A battery might lose 1 or 2 percent of its maximum range each year, depending on how it is charged and used—meaning that after 15 years, a car’s range might have slipped from 300 miles to 210 miles per charge. Repairing a car’s battery is difficult, if not impossible, and replacements are expensive, Ed Kim, the chief analyst at the consulting firm AutoPacific, told me. Many EV warranties today will cover replacements to a battery for either eight years or 100,000 miles of driving, and they are considered due for replacement once they’ve dipped below 70 percent of their initial capacity, according to the National Renewable Energy Laboratory. Batteries today are expected to take far longer to lose that much of their maximum charge—potentially 300,000 miles, or about 15 to 20 years. The life span should only improve. Batteries are “one of the most active areas in EV development,” Kim said. Prices are plummeting, which will make battery replacement more feasible. And as the range of new EV batteries keeps going up, longevity will also benefit. Some EV batteries, including the one in the Tesla Model 3 Standard Range, can already last for some 500,000 miles on the road, Moura said. One Chinese manufacturer recently announced a battery warranted for nearly 1 million miles. And even more durable battery designs, Moura said, are in the works. A researcher at Tesla has tested a battery that he claims could drive for 4 million miles, or roughly 100 years, under the right conditions. Of course, how long a car can keep running is not necessarily the same as how long somebody wants to drive it. EVs are more high-tech than gas cars, and standard improvements—longer range, faster charging, a better touch screen and infotainment system, improved autopilot features—would compel people to buy new models, just as they do for any tech gadget today. But at some point, each successive model won’t be all that much better than the last. “Do I need a slightly better sensor so that the windshield wipers work better when it rains?” as Loren McDonald, an EV consultant, put it to me. “Maybe I don’t.” With continued battery improvements, more drivers may opt to stick with an older car rather than buy a new one. A decade-old EV that can go 400 miles on a single charge, instead of its initial 500 miles, will be more than sufficient for most drivers. The longevity of EVs, and any appetite for new cars, might help address one of the primary complaints with these cars: that their sticker prices are too high for the typical American household. Used cars, which will continue to work well while requiring fewer repairs, will open up the EV revolution to much of the country. A used Tesla can already be purchased for roughly $20,000. “We have to think about how we design these vehicles, not for the first owner, but for the third, the fourth, the fifth owner,” Moura said. Even if many people are content with driving the same EV for decades, car companies may try to stop them. Tesla, Ford, and other auto manufacturers will need people to buy new EVs, and may well create incentives for us to do so. In the EV age, car companies are acting more like tech companies and bringing more software to their cars than ever before. The entire auto industry could follow an adoption-and-replacement cycle a lot like that of the iPhone: It used to be common to buy a new iPhone every couple of years for a faster processor, better camera, and larger screen. Now the iPhone 15 isn’t that different from the iPhone 11. But people do, of course, constantly buy new phones from Apple. The old ones are expensive or difficult to repair and, with every software update, seem to slow down just a bit more until the devices are no longer eligible for updates at all. Whereas Apple commands a ton of brand loyalty and a dominant hold on smartphone sales, causing a car’s battery or motor to degrade faster is a great strategy for losing customers. Carmakers’ approach may not resemble planned obsolescence so much as “planned improvements,” McDonald said—making older hardware incompatible with software updates or other new functions. Tesla’s Autopilot, for instance, is only compatible with vehicles built after September 2014, and newer updates to the feature don’t work with older cars that lack more advanced sensors and cameras. Car companies may be able to ensnare people in software-and-gadget ecosystems, just as Apple does. As Ford, GM, Tesla, and other automakers sell home-charging systems and other energy products, car owners might have to upgrade their vehicles to keep up. It’s a sort of capture akin to how, even if you don’t want to buy the new iPhone, you might pay for upgraded iCloud storage so you don’t run out of memory, or buy an Apple Watch to easily check your iMessages. The bigger concern is that the same battles over the “right to repair” an iPhone are also coming to cars. Even though EVs require fewer repairs, they aren’t maintenance free. And right now, most EV repairs can be done only by manufacturers and their retailers. Any mechanic can fix pretty much any traditional car, but EVs require specialized parts and training that are hard to come by. Whether automakers will make the spare parts and technical knowledge needed to fix EVs available to independent repair shops is uncertain. Tesla has already faced multiple class-action antitrust lawsuits alleging that the company maintains an unlawful monopoly over maintenance and replacement parts. (A judge dismissed the suits in November, although the ruling did not weigh in on the monopoly question.) “What I foresee is that [with] newer vehicles, the ability for an individual to repair it themselves is becoming less,” Moura said. Longevity is not just a bonus to EVs; it’s central to their promise. Cars that spend more years on the road means less carbon from the manufacturing process, less mining for battery minerals, and less scrap metal. More used vehicles that cycle through more owners will mean the same. If car companies continue to act more like tech companies as their products become more like tech gadgets, an entire avenue of their green potential could be closed off. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 13 07:34:47 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jun 13 07:14:06 2024. Thank you for the energetic response but due to my arrogance and lack of intellectual curiosity, I never read your posts along with one other poster here. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jun 13 08:26:07 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jun 13 07:14:06 2024. Yeah, I can't see car companies letting people hold onto vehicles for decades. If it's not software changes, it'll be things like batteries and motors that are no longer manufactured for an older vehicle. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 13 08:56:47 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by 3-9 on Thu Jun 13 08:26:07 2024. Which is the same issue with ICE cars, which have otherwise become much more reliable in recent years.Auto dealers already hate EVs due to them having fewer parts to maintain and fewer periodic maintenance events. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 13 08:58:04 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 13 07:34:47 2024. To clarify:I did not intend to imply that one other person here doesn't read your posts. I meant that you are o e of two posters, whom I never read. Thank you for allowing me to clarify what I meant. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 13 09:24:22 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 13 08:56:47 2024. Auto worker unions hate them because they require fewer workers to build them. Of course this discounts the child slave labor used to mine critical battery minerals. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Jun 13 09:52:40 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 13 08:56:47 2024. I'm not saying ICE cars have any particular advantage, I'm saying that the manufacturers will make sure EVs will have as little advantage as possible. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jun 13 10:04:06 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Stephen Bauman on Thu Jun 13 07:14:06 2024. Still waiting to see EVs in the Presidential motorcade. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 13 12:43:57 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Thu Jun 13 10:04:06 2024. The beast is already heavy enough. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 13 13:17:36 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 12 08:56:18 2024. Well, your ethics are questionable but at least you are honest about being an elitist. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Jun 13 13:18:53 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 13 12:43:57 2024. What? You do not see the DeLorean look a like as a future replacement for the Beast? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Jun 13 13:23:58 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 13 12:43:57 2024. False, the biden brain trust wants ev battlefield tanks. Let the first idiot walk the walk. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jun 14 08:59:16 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by DANd124 on Wed Jun 12 09:02:12 2024. I do road trips in EV's all the time and they're better than gassers.I even went 700 miles and spent only 24 dollars in "fuel". Unless you like making separate stops for your car so you can hand feed it something to drink like a worse version of a horse. Than you do you. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jun 14 09:00:38 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Wonder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger., posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Jun 12 01:40:47 2024. THey should go back to California instead of moving to what was once the fastest growing city in the country and expecting the cow pastures to remain. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jun 14 09:01:44 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jun 12 03:24:06 2024. What is he going to use to power all the vehicles on the moon and mars? Going to start drilling up there? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 09:19:03 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jun 14 08:59:16 2024. If it works for you, that's great. Automotive experts do, however, state that there are road trips that an EV, given their current range, cannot do such as Route 66 end to end.On the other hand, I purchased a hybrid SUV that gets over 40 mpg if I stay under 70 mph and with a 13 gallon tank has a range of about 500 miles which works for me. The democRATS have taken the auto industry and are trying to turn it into a religion. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jun 14 09:33:14 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 09:19:03 2024. "The democRATS have taken the auto industry and are trying to turn it into a religion."Not true. They had another summit/conference etc at the White House where they showcased cars that aren't even built, and again pretended that Tesla does not exist. Family friend to the Bidens (and especially hunter) was the judge that went after Musk in Delaware. The Demonkkkrats don't really care about technology. If you are worried about a mandate, they're as serious as every other mandate I'm sure. WHich is not at all. It's buyden who relaxed sanctions on venezula, the dirtiest place on earth for their oil. They relaxed on Iran which funded October 7th. And so on. I don't trust the two-faced to have an idealogy on anything. Obama may have been almost an exception, but he was two-faced on everything too. For enough money, I would take you up on the Route 66 challenge. But I have to confess, I don't really know what states it goes through to look up this claim. I find it hard to believe though. Model 3 LR gets about 400 miles. Lucid gets about 500. I get the equivilent of 362mpg coming home from Whole Foods. But I like to pee sooner than 3 hours. 400-500 mile ranges are completely useless and pointless. |
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Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 09:54:00 2024, in response to Re: The Eighth Blunder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger?, posted by Orange Blossom Special on Fri Jun 14 09:33:14 2024. The Rt 66 thing was not my claim. I'm just repeating it. You can power a charger with a gasoline powered generator plug it into your EV and tow it behind your EV and never need to stop. Bottom line, I don't care what anyone else drives. But if you drive an EV and don't charge it with only solar or wind, what's the point? |
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Re: The Eighth Wonder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri Jun 14 10:12:38 2024, in response to The Eighth Wonder of the Modern World keeps getting bigger., posted by Peter Rosa on Mon Jun 10 22:47:07 2024. Biden’s $7.5 billion investment in EV charging has only produced 7 stations in two yearsThe greatest trick the democRATS ever pulled was convincing the voters that they weren't stealing tax dollars. |
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