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Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jan 16 10:51:57 2022, in response to I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 16 10:13:36 2022. It's not a lie if Trump actually believes it, whether it's true or not is irrelevant. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 16 10:55:49 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jan 16 10:51:57 2022. It's not a lie if Trump actually believes it, whether it's true or not is irrelevant.WTF????? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jan 16 11:02:44 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 16 10:55:49 2022. You don't understand what I said? Are you thick or what. A lie is not a lie if the person if the person believes what he's saying. If Trump believes what he's saying it's not a lie. If he doesn't believe what he's saying it is a lie. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jan 16 11:03:52 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 16 10:55:49 2022. Question. Do you believe everything the fucken bigot Reverend Al says? |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 16 11:05:22 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jan 16 11:02:44 2022. A lie is STILL a lie, EVEN IF the person believes what he or she is saying. Belief doesn't make a given statement true. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 16 11:07:37 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 16 10:55:49 2022. Jeff is right. A lie is a statement intended to deceive. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 16 11:08:55 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jan 16 10:51:57 2022. Correct. But if Trump actually believes it, it demonstrates such a complete disassociation from reality that he should totally ignored. Unfortunately, people aren't doing that. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 16 11:14:53 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jan 16 10:51:57 2022. I would question his mental health if he still believes that after the mountain of evidence against it. Not being able to understand evidence in a pro or con situation could lead to some real trouble if he was president again. But I don’t think he actually believes that; I think it’s an effective fundraising tool |
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Posted by Allan on Sun Jan 16 11:18:31 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 16 11:05:22 2022. Unfortunately in Trump's case too many other people believe it.That is where the problem lies |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jan 16 11:28:24 2022, in response to I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 16 10:13:36 2022. Trump didn't lie. And Biden's lies are a deluge. That means you won't accept the truth when you hear it, marking you as a degenerate. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jan 16 11:30:59 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 16 11:08:55 2022. AFAIK thats how come polygraph test results are inadmissible in court.If you "lie" but in your mind you believe what you're saying is true and not willfully attempting to deceive, the test will say you're telling the truth. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 16 12:24:20 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jan 16 11:30:59 2022. That and the polygraph is complete pseudoscience. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 16 12:38:02 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 16 11:07:37 2022. Trump knows full well that he is lying. He doesn't "believe" he won the 2020 election, for example. He wouldn't have asked Raffensperger to "find [him] 11,780 votes"--just one vote more than Biden won--if he genuinely believed himself to be the winner. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jan 16 12:46:18 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 16 11:05:22 2022. Belief doesn't make a statement true, but "lie" is usually defined to mean a willful or deliberate untruth. An erroneous statement made in the belief that it is true isn't a "lie". |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jan 16 12:47:12 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 16 11:05:22 2022. Yes it does. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. If a witness to a crime identifies a perpetrator saying "that's definitely the guy I saw" and actually believes he saw the person, and it's later proven the real perp was someone else but a lookalike, the witness is NOT a liar. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 16 13:16:41 2022, in response to I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 16 10:13:36 2022. The Democrats started the “stolen election” crap in 2000. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 16 13:22:43 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 16 12:38:02 2022. If you listen to that all carefully, he says “because we won the state.”It’s clear that Trump is not a sane person and has no reasonable grasp on reality. Language that we’ve used to describe other presidents is completely inapplicable to Trump. But that’s not really important. It’s even worse that Trump says so many untrue things not on purpose but because he’s as mad as a hatter. That should be an excuse for his behavior? Trump is by far the person most ill-suited to the presidency and the fact that his presidency was allowed to happen is a spectacular indictment of our government, our country, and our electorate. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 13:45:14 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 16 13:22:43 2022. If you believe all that, then it should be clear how ill qualified Biden is.HE IS CURRENTLY OUR PRESIDENT!! He really believes all these experiences he had are real and turn out to be completely false. He either is outright lying, or he's totally gone in the head. Regardless of how anyone feels about the past president, these facts are scary......the current president either is outright lying all the time at these events, or is he is totally out of it, and believes it |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 13:54:07 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 16 11:08:55 2022. If you really believe that, why aren't you responding to the outright lies of the CURRENT president?Believe what you want about Trump, this is a present day conversation about the current president who actually affects our every day lives. And for the foreseeable future. Biden either us outright lying with intent to decieve, or he really believes he did these untrue antidote stories. Scary, considering he is the current president. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 14:00:10 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 16 13:16:41 2022. Yes. And if social media and internet were what they are today, it would have been just the same.People don't realize how different the I ternet....and phones were in 2000. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 16 14:03:48 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 13:54:07 2022. The lies are the current president are really unpleasant. They are not a threat to our democratic republic. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 16 14:04:25 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 16 13:16:41 2022. That was far more plausible. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 16 14:08:15 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 13:45:14 2022. Your projection won’t work. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 16 14:09:40 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 16 14:03:48 2022. Exactly. But they try to defend the indefensible by saying “But Biden. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Jan 16 14:12:18 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jan 16 12:47:12 2022. Yep. There's a big difference between a lie and a mistake. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 14:23:56 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 16 14:08:15 2022. What projection?I do t care what Trump did or does....he's not our president. Biden is. What he does is relevant |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 16 14:25:24 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 14:23:56 2022. Trump is destabilizing our democracy. He doesn’t have to be in office to do that. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 14:25:55 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by AlM on Sun Jan 16 14:03:48 2022. Except, he's our current president. What he says affects us. He attempted to swat current policy by using his false claims. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 14:28:35 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 16 14:09:40 2022. No one is trying to defend the past president. He's not in office. The current one is.The ridiculous "defend the indefencibl" is inreference to the corner president, which has absolutely no relevance to our current one, who the accusation of lies is about. You know, the current president, which is actually in office and has relevance to our daily lives |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 14:31:05 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 16 14:25:24 2022. Biden is president. Not trump |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 16 14:36:22 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jan 16 13:16:41 2022. 2000: At first that was a plausible option but as the weeks went on it was not. Sure there was all that “bush was appointed by the Supreme Court” stuff but that died out too.Trump is still hawking that nonsense over a year after the election and almost a year after the inauguration. Almost 70 court defeats and it’s like nothing has changec |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 16 14:42:49 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 14:31:05 2022. Just because Trump is not president doesn’t mean he doesn’t have a large megaphone and millions of followers. He is still a danger to democracy |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 16 14:44:00 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 14:28:35 2022. Trump has relevance in our daily lives as well because he’s a demagogue with a cult following, including most of the GOP |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 14:47:31 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 16 14:44:00 2022. The current one affects and will for 3 more years....policy. I don't care what Trump does. If the current president can't gain support by the "wonderful" things he actually does, I don't give a shit what the former president does |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 14:50:53 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 16 14:42:49 2022. Great. So he does.If the current president can't gain support by the "wonderful" things he does, that's his fault not trumps. Obviously he's not,case his appet is at 33%. Fill in any numbers you want to satisfy you, but I care what my president does. If it's good...no amount of hot air by a former president could deminish the great things my current president did. Unfortunately, can't find much |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 14:50:54 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 16 14:42:49 2022. Great. So he does.If the current president can't gain support by the "wonderful" things he does, that's his fault not trumps. Obviously he's not,case his appet is at 33%. Fill in any numbers you want to satisfy you, but I care what my president does. If it's good...no amount of hot air by a former president could deminish the great things my current president did. Unfortunately, can't find much |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 16 14:51:21 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 14:47:31 2022. Just because you don’t care what Trump does doesn’t mean that the rest of us don’t. He’s still a powerful figure after an attempted coup. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 16 14:53:14 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 14:50:54 2022. Irrelevant. Trump is a danger to the democracy because he has a large cult following and a huge megaphone |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jan 16 14:56:16 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 16 13:22:43 2022. An indictment of the electorate? Probably true. Of the country or the government? No, having some elite group decide that Trump was "unfit" and therefore couldn't be President, regardless of his votes, would be a worse indictment. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 14:58:16 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 16 14:51:21 2022. Good. Just because you don't care what our current president does, doesn't mean the former us relevant to him..And lmao at the "rest of us". Lol again. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 14:58:42 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 16 14:53:14 2022. And Biden is a threat because he has actual power |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 16 14:58:58 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 16 13:22:43 2022. Trump's presidency was an indictment of what happens when too many people stay home instead of voting. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 15:00:53 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 16 14:58:58 2022. And Biden's failure is an example and inditement that it doesn't matter if they come out |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 16 15:04:29 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 16 14:58:58 2022. The 2020 fuckery made sure that didn't happen again. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 16 15:10:49 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jan 16 14:56:16 2022. No, the voters should have seen that he was unfit and he never should have been elected. But ours is a stupid country. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Jan 16 15:11:04 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Jan 16 15:04:29 2022. You mean how the Republicans tried to submit fake elector letters from seven battleground states to the National Archives in a brazenattempt to steal the election for Trump? Because that's the "fuckery" that actually happened. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 16 15:27:42 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 14:58:16 2022. Yeah the rest of us who aren’t Trump supporters. I’m sure you think that’s hilarious that someone would not support Trump but here we are.I can keep an eye on Trump and also care what the current president does at the same time. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Jan 16 15:29:58 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 14:58:42 2022. Biden is not a threat to democracy though. Trump is. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 16 15:45:09 2022, in response to Re: I’ll take Biden‘s lies over Trump‘s lies, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 16 15:10:49 2022. And in 2020, we similarly have seen two candidates that probably should have been elected. But you were talking about 2016 that's ancient history in politics. Get over it worry about the current state of affairs |
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