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Posted by American Pig on Mon Oct 30 21:39:59 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 30 21:29:18 2006. I owe you nothing. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 30 21:41:33 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by American Pig on Mon Oct 30 21:39:59 2006. That's because you have nothing to hit back with. Haha again . . . |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 21:50:55 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 30 18:33:28 2006. Ah, but it has.Evolution is a well-demonstrated process, first described in the Book of Genesis. There are various theories describing evolution. Darwin's Theory was the first to contribute a lot of solid observation to the Genesis story (misnamed the "Creation" story by various Church elders and assorted mongrels) in proper framework. Over the years, Darwin's theory has been refined and revised many times, just as Isaac Newton's observations were subject to Einstein's discoveries. But gravity and the speed of light are real, just as evolution is real. The latest controversy comes from a theory, pretty well supported but still being researched and corroborated, that Homo Sapiens (modern man) arrived this way: First hominid evolves from common ancestor of human and great ape; This hominid does not reach critical mass for survival through successive generations, but interbreeds with a great ape to produce offspring which are fertle and carry the genetic basis for Homo sapiens; subsequent generations lead to more modern hominids. It's pretty clear Homo Neanderthalis coincided, or overlapped with Homo sapiens; the reasons homo sapiens prevailed are not 100% clear, though we speculate it had in part to do with homo sapiens use of language. Church elders fought ideas like the earth being round and the sun being the center of the solar system and evolution because it tended to erode their absolute power and access to wealth. They exploited their subjects' ignorance and tortured scientists for the sake of their own greed and power. The same is true today of evolution. As long as they have stooges like you they can count on, they always have hope of restoring their theocracy here. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 21:58:47 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by American Pig on Mon Oct 30 19:05:02 2006. The trouble is, even the Bible doesn't actually say what Olog believes. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 30 22:08:23 2006, in response to Re: Olog blows Evolution again, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 21:50:55 2006. Evolution is a well-demonstrated process, first described in the Book of GenesisWhere? Go ahead and show us. (Here comes the straw man again; if you can't prove evolution, drag the Bible into it.) Over the years, Darwin's theory has been refined and revised many times But it still remains a theory. just as Isaac Newton's observations were subject to Einstein's discoveries Apples/oranges comparison to Darwin. Newton's observations became law "out of the box" and were based on sound science and mathematics. Einstein's work was an addition to Newton, not a revision. But gravity and the speed of light are real, just as evolution is real Wrong. Gravity is a law. The speed of light is an observed phenomenon and therefore also law. Evolution remains an unproven theory. It's pretty clear Homo Neanderthalis coincided, or overlapped with Homo sapiens; the reasons homo sapiens prevailed are not 100% clear, though we speculate it had in part to do with homo sapiens use of language Genetics of H. "neanderthalis" show no difference between it and H. sapiens. There is also evidence popping up that "H. neanderthalis" spoke using language. Church elders fought ideas like the earth being round and the sun being the center of the solar system and evolution because it tended to erode their absolute power and access to wealth I agree—evidence against the earth being flat and the earth being the center of the solar system is actually in the Bible. However, the theory of evolution is not in that timeframe, and the theory of evolution was itself used (and is still being used) as a political tool as though it were fact and law—its proponents can be as zealous as the clergy. The same is true today of evolution. As long as they have stooges like you they can count on, they always have hope of restoring their theocracy here Shaky premise; even made shakier by your personal attack. Theocracies such as the Islamic one in Iran have nothing to do with the arguments for and against Darwinism. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 22:21:50 2006, in response to Re: Earth's Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 30 22:08:23 2006. "Newton's observations became law "out of the box" and were based on sound science and mathematics. Einstein's work was an addition to Newton, not a revision."The same is true of evolution, actually. The Genesis story as written in the Bible presents the order of appearance of livings things on earth in roughly the right order, albeit missing a lot of details. They couldn't know the time scale, so they organized events into "days," which gave them a convenient reference. Newton got it right, too, missing some details (or rather, the precision that Einstein provided). Darwin provided those details and scientists have been on that foundation ever since. "Theocracies such as the Islamic one in Iran have nothing to do with the arguments for and against Darwinism. " Not true. Islamofascists consider evolutionary biologists to ne heretics. The only difference between Mullah Omar and a fundamentalist preacher here is that Omar is more committed to violence and consistent and honest about that, and the preacher is a hypocrite. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 22:22:59 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Subterranean Railway on Mon Oct 30 19:51:47 2006. Correct! |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 22:24:53 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 30 21:22:49 2006. "And are you ready to take the chance that at least one of these is not "old hearsay" . . . ? "It's an easy bet. You'd have zero chance of winning. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 22:26:01 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 30 21:23:48 2006. You don't know the difference between laws and theories, so it's pointless for you to discuss it. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 30 22:29:36 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 22:26:01 2006. You don't know the difference between laws and theories, so it's pointless for you to discuss itDon't I? Why are you suddenly falling apart on the issue . . . ? Is it because I know that difference that you're suddenly withdrawing from debate? There is no Law of Evolution and that's that—until conclusive proofs establish it as a law and therefore fact. Theories are not fact. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 30 22:30:26 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 22:22:59 2006. Read this. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 22:40:52 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 30 22:30:26 2006. I did read it. So you're ignorant. What else is new? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 30 22:41:32 2006, in response to Re: Earth's Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 22:21:50 2006. "Newton's observations became law "out of the box" and were based on sound science and mathematics. Einstein's work was an addition to Newton, not a revision."The same is true of evolution, actually Patently FALSE. Evolution is still a theory in its entirety whereas Newton has established laws as does Einstein (the photochemical equivalence and gravitation laws in particular; there are still parts of quantum theory and relativity yet unproven). The Genesis story as written in the Bible presents the order of appearance of livings things on earth in roughly the right order, albeit missing a lot of details. They couldn't know the time scale, so they organized events into "days," which gave them a convenient reference That's a theory. Until proven, it'll remain out of belief. Islamofascists consider evolutionary biologists to ne heretics Islamists consider all non-Islamists to be heretics. The scope is not narrow; only takes someone who doubts that Allah is the One God and Muhammad his messenger. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Oct 30 22:41:54 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Oct 30 18:39:12 2006. ok, two books: the Biblical anthology (in all its versions, still stemming from ancient Israel) and the Quran (which is pretty much a garbled version of the Biblical anthology, spread by word of mouth into Muhammad's ear). |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 30 22:42:46 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Oct 30 22:41:54 2006. What does that have to do with the fossil record "proving" the theory of evolution? |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Oct 30 22:43:11 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 30 22:29:36 2006. Theories are not lies, either. They are educated speculation and guesses, based on evidence. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Oct 30 22:44:12 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 30 22:42:46 2006. Nothing, save that evolution has a stronger argument backing it than the creation story of the Bible does. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 22:44:41 2006, in response to Re: Earth's Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 30 22:41:32 2006. "That's a theory. Until proven, it'll remain out of belief."The belief that the writing was meant to be interpreted literally is a theory too (childish, of course, but a theory, not a fact). Unlike evolution, though, there's no science ot logic behind it. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 22:46:45 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Oct 30 22:44:12 2006. The alleged creation story. You are assuming that the Bible story was written to recount "creation" the way Christian fundamentalists see it. That would not be a well-supported assumption. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Oct 30 22:46:55 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 22:24:53 2006. Not QUITE a zero chance, but close enough to be meaningless. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Oct 30 22:47:38 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 22:46:45 2006. ...and frum Jews, too. don't forget Othodox Jews. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Oct 30 22:49:22 2006, in response to Re: Earth's Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 30 22:41:32 2006. That's a theory. Until proven, it'll remain out of belief.No, people do NOT neccessarily automatically keep something out of belief if not proven. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 22:52:10 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Oct 30 22:46:55 2006. OK. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 22:52:34 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Oct 30 22:47:38 2006. Some, yes... |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Oct 31 00:24:59 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Subterranean Railway on Mon Oct 30 14:28:58 2006. I have by linking and showing proof of what I believe, yet you dismiss it and state that it is incorrect and wrong. YOU have not shown me any proof, at least not to convince me of any climate change.Any research I have done via the internet, and I have found equal amounts supporting both sides convince me that there is no global warming and that nature itself has cycles of climate changes. That man only contributes 3% of carbon into the atmosphere, and 20 years from now when a new technology comes around to study the earth scientist will change thier views again about global warming or cooling. This summer was supposed to have been a terrible hurricane season due to global warming, yet we a relatively quiet hurricane season, while the media tried to blow the few hurricanes we had out of proportion. You will find as you get more experience in life to think for yourself and not jump on the bandwagon because the majority of people do. I always get suspicious when large amounts of people all jump onto a new trendy movement and I sit back and research and investigate for myself. I want to see a positive newsreport for once that says the weather is just fine and that we were lucky that we didn't have a hurricane, snowstorm, heatwave. |
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Posted by BIE on Tue Oct 31 08:58:50 2006, in response to Re: Earth's Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Oct 30 22:49:22 2006. It will remain out of Olog's belief. That is his perogative. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 15:50:33 2006, in response to Re: Earth's Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Oct 30 22:49:22 2006. people do NOT neccessarily automatically keep something out of belief if not provenOK, then it's faith, not science. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 31 15:59:49 2006, in response to Re: Earth's Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 15:50:33 2006. But you don't know the difference between faith and science either. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 16:04:03 2006, in response to Re: Earth's Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 31 15:59:49 2006. Trust me, I do. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 31 16:31:14 2006, in response to Re: Earth's Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 16:04:03 2006. No, you don't. And there's no reason anyone should trust you. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 16:42:18 2006, in response to Re: Earth's Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 31 16:31:14 2006. That's a very fearful response on your part.OK, keep calling a theory "fact" when that's not the definition of a theory. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 31 16:48:13 2006, in response to Re: Earth's Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 16:42:18 2006. I'm not afraid. But maybe you should be. After all, your giving false witness about the Bible and science is not something of which Jesus would approve. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Tue Oct 31 16:52:25 2006, in response to Re: Earth's Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 31 16:48:13 2006. Neither he nor you are necessarily lying or telling the truth. And I kinda doubt that Jesus would disapprove of all science... |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Tue Oct 31 16:58:16 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by American Pig on Mon Oct 30 18:25:55 2006. If evolution is false, try explaining how come drug-resistant bacteria have arisen and how AIDS continually seems (or has seemed) to elude drug changes. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 31 16:58:36 2006, in response to Re: Earth's Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by New Brunswick Station on Tue Oct 31 16:52:25 2006. He is lying."And I kinda doubt that Jesus would disapprove of all science" That's not the issue. Lying is the issue. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 17:14:33 2006, in response to Re: Earth's Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 31 16:48:13 2006. After all, your giving false witness about the Bible and science is not something of which Jesus would approveWhat false witness? What's written is what's written. And your assumptions about Jesus? He said "the scripture cannot be broken" in John 10:35—which reinforces the words actually written down. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 17:15:26 2006, in response to Re: Earth's Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 31 16:58:36 2006. He is lyingAbout what? That fact and theory are not one and the same? They aren't. Go ahead and tell me what I'm lying about. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 17:18:12 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by New Brunswick Station on Tue Oct 31 16:58:16 2006. There's explanations for that outside of the Church of Evolution (since some people are fascinated with the Bible despite protestation to the contrary). Check out Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 . . . |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 31 17:19:05 2006, in response to Re: Earth's Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 17:14:33 2006. "False witness" doesn't refer just to what's written in the Bible. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 17:19:21 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Oct 30 22:43:11 2006. Theories are not lies, eitherI never said they were lies. I merely said that they weren't facts and physical laws—until proven to be. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 31 17:20:52 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 17:18:12 2006. Neither of them deals with that at all. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 17:21:58 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 21:58:47 2006. Since when did you become a theologian?BTW, gotta love the carrying on with dragging the Bible in when evolution is attacked. Just buries the argument deeper. Real scholars are not so antagonistic about the issue. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 17:23:32 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by New Brunswick Station on Mon Oct 30 22:44:12 2006. evolution has a stronger argument backing it than the creation story of the Bible doesNot really. The question remains wide open. Have you studied biology? I've taken a few courses. Just annoys me that people can't allow evolution to stand on its own merits without trying to drag theology into it. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 31 17:23:42 2006, in response to Re: Earth's Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 17:15:26 2006. Evolution is a demonstrable and documented process. That makes it a fact, not a theory. That we don't understand every detail in it means we form theories to try to explain how everything works.We don't fully understand all the details of physics either. If we did, there would be no point to anyone going to graduate school. But a lot about physics is demonstrable too and factual. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 31 17:24:34 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 17:21:58 2006. "BTW, gotta love the carrying on with dragging the Bible in when evolution is attacked."When you attack evolution, you also attack the Bible. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 31 17:25:09 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 17:23:32 2006. "I've taken a few courses."And failed them, obviously. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 17:25:46 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Oct 30 22:46:45 2006. The alleged creation storyThat's a fair statement, for those that did not observe the phenomenon. Just remember that evolution is equally alleged and unobserved. You are assuming that the Bible story was written to recount "creation" the way Christian fundamentalists see it. That would not be a well-supported assumption Now another canard is dragged into the fray. Evolution not strong enough to stand on its own without bringing "oh, Xtian fundamentalists say this instead" into it? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 31 17:27:44 2006, in response to Re: Earth's Magnetic Field/Currents Reversing?, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 31 17:19:05 2006. And when it comes to the theory of Evolution, it's scientific to leave theology out of it, right? So don't drag it in unless you know what you're talking about.BTW, you haven't proved me a liar yet. False witness or false accusation on your part? |
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Posted by Subterranean Railway on Fri Nov 3 15:52:42 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Oct 30 21:35:25 2006. Nobody has observed evolution as a process (i.e. the genesis of a new species), even via allele frequency shifts.Incorrect. I take it that you've never heard of Culex molestus. In the 1860s, members of the London mosquito population migrated into the newly constructed Underground. Their isolated environment forced them to change feeding and mating tactics. C. pipiens, the surface species, rarely bites humans, instead focusing on animals. The underground species, dubbed Culex molestus, only bites humans. It also follows radically different breeding patterns. Indeed, after only 150 years, C. molestus has been determined to be a new species. It cannot successfully interbreed with C. pipiens. Contrary to your claim, there have been many such observed instances of speciation. Not to mention the fact that viruses/bacteria often mutate and adapt themselves into new niches. The HIV virus is a prime example of this: The virus that causes AIDS is very different than the chimpanzee-specific virus. Looking at criteria for differentiating asexually-reproducing species, it's clear that viruses and bacteria have generated many new species. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Nov 3 15:56:39 2006, in response to Re: Earths Magnetic Feild/Currents Reversing?, posted by Subterranean Railway on Fri Nov 3 15:52:42 2006. THANK YOU! I'd heard of it, but not the specifics.Now *BURN*, witch! If you float, then you MUST be a duck! :) |
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