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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 12 19:05:02 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 18:57:55 2019. And all we have are people who believe they saw it. Like the Miracle of Fátima.I’m not surprised I’m an atheist. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 19:06:10 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 12 19:03:43 2019. And somehow none of it shows hundreds or thousands of Muslims celebrating in Jersey City.If it did the usual right wing sources would have the links posted. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 19:06:56 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 12 19:03:02 2019. Well, what do you want from a lawyer. :) |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 12 19:08:06 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 19:06:10 2019. I didn't say I saw it, or that it existed. I did say I have no reason to not believe what Jim said he saw. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 12 19:09:24 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 19:06:10 2019. And you didn't answer me about VCRs. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Apr 12 19:10:11 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 12 19:09:24 2019. i own 3 |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 12 19:11:32 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 12 19:08:06 2019. That doesn't make sense. I have a very valid reason to not believe Jim when he says he saw Muslims celebrating in NJ: It never happened. It doesn't matter how trustworthy the witness is. If it didn't happen, then it didn't. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 19:11:58 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 12 19:08:06 2019. The reason not to believe that Jim saw what he said he saw is that then it would be on Youtube. But it isn't.It doesn't make Jim a liar. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 12 19:13:11 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 12 19:09:24 2019. Plenty of people still used VCRs in 2001. I had a DVR that I ordered AFTER 9/11 and I was an early adopter of those. The first DVRs dated back to 1999 or 2000. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 12 19:15:13 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Fri Apr 12 19:10:11 2019. I own 2, but they haven't been on in years |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 12 19:15:32 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 12 19:00:50 2019. 9/11 remains, to this day, the most extensively documented historical event on record, ever. It would seriously stretch the bounds of credibility to believe that out of thousands of hours of video footage, only those segments depicting local Muslims "celebrating" the WTC attack, have disappeared from said record.Again, all the TV networks in NYC have exhaustively complete photographic and videographic archives of 9/11 and the days immediately thereafter. NBC alone, which broadcast the 9/11 story continuously for three days, has compiled vast troves of magnetic tape and memory card footage that has been carefully preserved to the present time. Footage of Muslims dancing in the streets of Jersey City while the WTC burned would have been Pulitzer material. That's not the kind of thing any network news division would ever destroy or allow to be lost. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 12 19:18:34 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 12 19:15:13 2019. We still own several. A couple of them are VCR/DVD combos, although only the VCR can record. Streaming services make them seem like a technology from yesteryear sometimes . . .I once saw a giant top-loading VHS recorder/player at the local Salvation Army. Should have seen if it worked. I remember one of my uncles owning the first one of that kind in our family. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 19:19:36 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 12 19:11:32 2019. It never happened.You can't know that for sure. You can only be certain well beyond a reasonable doubt, based on all the available evidence, that it didn't happen. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 19:20:34 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 12 19:13:11 2019. And in any case, just change my statement to "VCR or DVR". |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 12 19:21:33 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 19:19:36 2019. I disagree. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 12 19:22:28 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 19:20:34 2019. The fact that DVRs existed makes it even more likely that there's a complete record. You press RECORD and keeps the already aired program from the point of the channel change. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 12 19:34:22 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 19:20:34 2019. Lol! |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Apr 12 19:51:06 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 18:57:55 2019. For what it's worth.https://www.nj.com/news/2015/12/exclusive_jersey_city_cop_residents_say_some_musli.html |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Apr 12 19:52:29 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 12 19:15:32 2019. LOL Little zero |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 12 20:01:40 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Apr 12 19:52:29 2019. You are such a putrid barrel of fermenting manatee prostatic fluid. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 20:03:15 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 12 19:34:22 2019. Huh? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 20:06:47 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by Dave on Fri Apr 12 19:51:06 2019. Collectively, the gatherings amounted to dozens of people at the two locations, the witnesses said.Nobody has disputed that. More Americans than that celebrated when JFK was murdered. It's Trump's "thousands of Muslims" claim that's a fabrication. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 12 20:14:34 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by Dave on Fri Apr 12 19:51:06 2019. From an ABC News story, also December 2015:"Now an extensive search of ABC News transcript and video archives shows that no footage of celebrations in New Jersey aired on ABC News on Sept. 11 or on the following day’s special report coverage of the attacks. Instead, there are repeated mentions on ABC News of celebrations on Sept. 11 among a group of Palestinians in East Jerusalem, 5,700 miles away from New Jersey. The Associated Press Television News video aired on ABC News shows dozens of Palestinians, many of them young boys, cheering the attacks in the streets while cars drive by honking and others hand out sweets in celebration. Mentions of celebrations in other Middle East countries, including Egypt and Lebanon, were also reported on air by ABC News at the time." I would strongly suggest the cops and locals are embellishing or outright lying. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 20:23:58 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 12 20:14:34 2019. I would strongly suggest the cops and locals are embellishing or outright lying.Why? You can find a couple of dozen people to have a disgusting celebration about pretty much anything. You think there weren't small celebrations somewhere after the SC church massacre? The point is that it wasn't thousands or even hundreds, and it wasn't on TV. That's the Trumpian lie. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 12 20:41:22 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 12 19:18:34 2019. I remember those!! My friend had one in the very early 80s |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 12 20:42:55 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 20:03:15 2019. VCRs were dying, and DVRs weren't very widespread yet. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 12 20:47:24 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 12 20:14:34 2019. Why are they lying? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 20:49:26 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 16:30:36 2019. That was him, I'm talking about me. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 20:59:41 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 12 16:49:52 2019. What was I shown during training? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 21:01:08 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 12 20:42:55 2019. One didn't die till the other got widespread. There was never a time since the 80s that people haven't wanted to record TV shows. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:04:11 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 12 19:15:32 2019. Channel 7 had the footage. Now it's gone. And I'm annoyed because in the early 90s I was interviewed by Channel 7 and I can't find it anywhere I look |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 12 21:04:37 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 20:59:41 2019. Training where, and by whom?What were you shown? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:05:42 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 12 19:05:02 2019. I actually DID see footage of people celebrating in Jersey City. Obviously not thousands, but they were. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 12 21:06:02 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:04:11 2019. Go to ABC's morgue on W. 66 St. near Riverside Drive. If you know the exact date and approximate time, they can find it for you. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:06:51 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Apr 12 20:47:24 2019. Because life to him, is one big conspiracy |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:09:38 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 12 21:06:02 2019. I had it VCRd, but my mother also had it |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 21:10:30 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:04:11 2019. Right. That's why all copies of it (the Jersey City footage, not your interview) have disappeared from YouTube too. And why no one who recorded it reposts it on YouTube. It's all the doing of the deep state. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:13:02 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 12 21:04:37 2019. Training in relation to what I was doing career-wise at the time. By instructors in my agency. Arabs dancing in the streets in J.C. with the fallen towers smoldering across the river. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:15:12 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Apr 12 16:52:35 2019. Am I dreaming my job training up? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 21:23:28 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:13:02 2019. And never posted on YouTube.Muslims constitute 4.2% of religious adherents in Jersey City. As of 2017, the Census Bureau's Population Estimates Program calculated that Jersey City's population was 270,753 So there's only 11,000 Muslims in all of Jersey City. And most of Jersey City doesn't have a direct view of the WTC anyway. Hmm. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:24:55 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 21:10:30 2019. I never said it was! |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 21:24:58 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:15:12 2019. Possibly you're conflating two things. Did George W Bush really see a TV clip of a plane hitting the North Tower? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:25:40 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 21:23:28 2019. Then it must have been a produced film |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:26:35 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 21:24:58 2019. I'm not talking about him! How should I know what he saw? |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 21:27:16 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:24:55 2019. But that's the only possible explanation for video not being on YouTube, except of course that there never was video. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 21:27:58 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:26:35 2019. If he can mix things up, so can you. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 12 21:42:34 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:13:02 2019. What were you doing "career-wise"?Working for whom? What "agency"? When? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:47:56 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 21:27:16 2019. I never said I saw it on YouTube! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:48:34 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 21:27:58 2019. I'm not a senile old man! I saw it at work! |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 12 21:49:14 2019, in response to Re: NY Post front page, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Apr 12 21:42:34 2019. What are you writing a book? |
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