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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 24 21:29:54 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 21:28:44 2019.

Technically, she did. By millions.

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 21:31:19 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 24 21:29:54 2019.

STFU

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 24 21:37:25 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 24 21:28:19 2019.

LOL

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Mar 24 21:41:46 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 21:28:44 2019.

Should but she fucked with the Coal Country and basically left the rust belt was a “drop dead” mentality that Trump was happy to use. Hillary beat herself by ignoring her base. Trump won the same way AOC won in queens if you think about it.

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 24 21:42:59 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Mar 24 21:22:01 2019.

The Dems hate the Constitution. The only way they can win is fraud, gerrymandering and concentrating their base.

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 24 21:44:30 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Mar 24 20:24:07 2019.

What platform should that candidate run on? The only way to do it is to go to the right of present-day Trump.

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Mueller Has Officially Completed His Investigation—No Coordination With Russia (whatever that means)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 24 21:46:42 2019, in response to Mueller Has Officially Completed His Investigation, posted by JayZeeBMT on Fri Mar 22 17:36:02 2019.

Coordination, collusion, blah blah blah . . . they couldn't even fabricate their big target, "conspiracy" (to do what?? one cannot change the vote results).

And I don't know if the front page has frozen up for everyone else, but I cannot see new posts as of 15 minutes ago ATTOW.

Associated Press

Trump didn’t coordinate with Russia in 2016, report declares

By Eric Tucker, Michael Balsamo, Chad Day and Julie Pace
Special counsel Robert Mueller did not find evidence that President Donald Trump’s campaign “conspired or coordinated” with Russia to influence the 2016 presidential election but reached no conclusion on whether Trump obstructed justice, Attorney General William Barr declared Sunday. That brought a hearty claim of vindication from Trump but set the stage for new rounds of political and legal fighting.

Trump cheered the outcome but also laid bare his resentment after two years of investigations that have shadowed his administration. “It’s a shame that our country has had to go through this. To be honest, it’s a shame that your president has had to go through this,” he said.

Democrats pointed out that Mueller found evidence for and against obstruction and demanded to see his full report. They insisted that even the summary by the president’s attorney general hardly put him in the clear.

Mueller’s conclusions, summarized by Barr in a four-page letter to Congress, represented a victory for Trump on a key question that has hung over his presidency from the start: Did his campaign work with Russia to defeat Democrat Hillary Clinton? That was further good news for the president on top of the Justice Department’s earlier announcement that Mueller had wrapped his investigation without new indictments. The resolution also could deflate the hopes of Democrats in Congress and on the 2020 campaign trail that incriminating findings from Mueller would hobble the president’s agenda and re-election bid.

But while Mueller was categorical in ruling out criminal collusion, he was more circumspect on presidential obstruction of justice. Despite Trump’s claim of total exoneration, Mueller did not draw a conclusion one way or the other on whether he sought to stifle the Russia investigation through his actions including the firing of former FBI director James Comey.

According to Barr’s summary, Mueller set out “evidence on both sides of the question” and stated that “while this report does not conclude the president committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”

Barr, who was nominated by Trump in December, and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, who appointed Mueller in May 2017 and oversaw much of his work, went further in Trump’s favor.

The attorney general said he and Rosenstein had determined that Mueller’s evidence was insufficient to prove in court that Trump had committed obstruction of justice to hamper the probe. Barr has previously voiced a broad view of presidential powers, and in an unsolicited memo last June he cast doubt on whether the president could have obstructed justice through acts — like firing his FBI director — that he was legally empowered to take.

Barr said their decision was based on the evidence uncovered by Mueller and not affected by Justice Department legal opinions that say a sitting president cannot be indicted.

Mueller’s team examined a series of actions by the president in the last two years to determine if he intended obstruction. Those include his firing of Comey one week before Mueller’s appointment, his public and private haranguing of then-Attorney General Jeff Sessions for recusing himself from the Russia investigation because of his work on the campaign, his request of Comey to end an investigation into Michael Flynn, the White House’s first national security adviser, and his drafting of an incomplete explanation about his oldest son’s meeting with a Russian lawyer during the campaign.

Mueller’s findings absolve Trump on the question of colluding with Russia but don’t entirely remove the legal threats the president and associates are facing. Federal prosecutors in New York, for instance, are investigating hush-money payments made to two women during the campaign who say they had sex with the president. Trump’s former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, implicated Trump in campaign finance violations when he pleaded guilty last year.

The special counsel’s investigation did not come up empty-handed. It ensnared nearly three dozen people, senior Trump campaign operatives among them. The probe illuminated Russia’s assault on the American political system, painted the Trump campaign as eager to exploit the release of hacked Democratic emails to hurt Hillary Clinton and exposed lies by Trump aides aimed at covering up their Russia-related contacts.

Thirty-four people, including six Trump aides and advisers, were charged in the investigation. Twenty-five are Russians accused of election interference either through hacking into Democratic accounts or orchestrating a social media campaign to spread disinformation on the internet.

Sunday’s summary — and its suggestion that Mueller may have found evidence in support of obstruction — sets up a fight between Barr and Democrats, who called for the special counsel’s full report to be released and vowed to press on with their own investigations.

“Attorney General Barr’s letter raises as many questions as it answers,” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said in a statement.

“Given Mr. Barr’s public record of bias against the special counsel’s inquiry, he is not a neutral observer and is not in a position to make objective determinations about the report,” they said. Trump’s own claim of complete exoneration “directly contradicts the words of Mr. Mueller and is not to be taken with any degree of credibility,” they added.

Trump was at his Florida estate when lawmakers received the report. Barr’s chief of staff called Emmet Flood, the lead White House lawyer on the investigation, to brief him on the findings shortly before he sent it to Congress. Mueller submitted his report to Barr instead of directly to Congress and the public because, unlike independent counsels such as Ken Starr in the case of President Bill Clinton, his investigation operated under the close supervision of the Justice Department.

Barr did not speak with the president, Mueller was not consulted on the letter, and the White House does not have Mueller’s report, according to a Justice Department official.

Though Mueller did not find evidence that anyone associated with the Trump campaign coordinated with the Russian government, Barr’s summary notes “multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”

That’s a likely reference not only to a June 2016 Trump Tower meeting at which Donald Trump. Jr. expected to receive damaging information on Clinton from a Kremlin-connected lawyer, as well as a conversation in London months earlier at which Trump campaign aide George Papadopoulos was told Russia had “dirt” on Clinton in the form of thousands of stolen emails.

Rep. Jerrold Nadler of New York, the House Judiciary Committee chairman, said Congress needs to hear from Barr about his decision and see “all the underlying evidence.” He said on Twitter, “DOJ owes the public more than just a brief synopsis and decision not to go any further in their work.”

Barr said that Mueller “thoroughly” investigated the question of whether the Trump campaign coordinated with Russia’s election interference, issuing more than 2,800 subpoenas, obtaining nearly 500 search warrants and interviewing 500 witnesses. Trump answered some questions in writing, but refused to be interviewed in person by Mueller’s team.

Barr said Mueller also catalogued the president’s actions including “many” that took place in “public view,” a possible nod to Trump’s public attacks on investigators and witnesses.

In the letter, Barr said he concluded that none of Trump’s actions constituted a federal crime that prosecutors could prove in court.

Associated Press writers Jonathan Lemire in New York, Deb Riechmann in Palm Beach, Florida, and Mary Clare Jalonick and Lisa Mascaro in Washington contributed to this report.


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Re: Mueller Has Officially Completed His Investigation—No Coordination With Russia (whatever that means)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 24 21:48:34 2019, in response to Mueller Has Officially Completed His Investigation—No Coordination With Russia (whatever that means), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 24 21:46:42 2019.

Yes, very weird. When I posted this as new, it showed up two posts below two older posts.

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 24 21:48:47 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 21:31:19 2019.

Don't tell the stupid bitch to shit up. She's very entertaining.

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Re: Mueller Has Officially Completed His Investigation—No Coordination With Russia (whatever that means)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 24 21:49:56 2019, in response to Re: Mueller Has Officially Completed His Investigation—No Coordination With Russia (whatever that means), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 24 21:48:34 2019.

Hmm. Must be Subchat's servers, then, not keeping up with the US daylight time changes. Well, it'll be fun while it lasts.

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 21:51:25 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Mar 24 21:41:46 2019.

Those places are left behind by the robust economy. If a Democrat speaks to them, they'll win.

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 24 22:03:42 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 21:31:19 2019.

Can't handle the truth?

What happened, or not, today still has no bearing on that fact.

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 24 22:08:14 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 24 22:03:42 2019.

You are a very strange woman

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 24 22:08:39 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 21:24:44 2019.

What causes you to think THAT? Your retirement will be spent in dire poverty if that's the case.

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 24 22:11:50 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 24 22:08:39 2019.

The old Selkirk "the sky is falling" argument. He should have worried about his own retirement.

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Re: Mueller Has Officially Completed His Investigation

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Mar 24 22:12:35 2019, in response to Re: Mueller Has Officially Completed His Investigation, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 24 11:40:21 2019.

Do you realize that you are arguing with an attorney who KNOWS what he's talking about?

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Mar 24 22:14:58 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 21:51:25 2019.

Speaking and a solid plan.

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 22:15:16 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 24 22:03:42 2019.

What are you talking about? Everyone who disagrees with you is a Trump-supporter now? You need drugs for that paranoia.

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 22:16:01 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 24 22:08:39 2019.

SMH

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 24 22:29:16 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 22:15:16 2019.

I guess her descent into that dark hole is becoming noticable to all.

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 24 22:37:46 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 24 22:29:16 2019.

Wrong. It's his descent.i'm seek8ng to help him realize he's buying koolaid.

You're already there, and thus, a hopeless hater along with all the other trumpers.

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 24 22:38:55 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 22:16:01 2019.

Until you wake up and drop the trumper shit. You're harming yourself and you,re harming America. There is NOTHING normal about trump.

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 22:41:49 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 24 22:37:46 2019.

LOL!

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 22:42:05 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 24 22:38:55 2019.

Fuck you and your libel.

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 24 23:08:12 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 24 22:37:46 2019.

Your mental illness is showing

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 23:26:19 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 24 23:08:12 2019.

IAWTP

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Re: Mueller Punts

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Mar 24 23:30:19 2019, in response to Mueller Punts, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Mar 24 16:15:03 2019.

Well, once again, I'm was right. I said the whole time that if they ever had anything criminal on Trump, we would have known about it. So, that being said, who's hungry? 🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔🍔


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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Mar 24 23:42:04 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 22:42:05 2019.

Yep

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Mar 24 23:43:11 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 24 22:38:55 2019.

I can't believe that you are so intolerant, that anybody that tells you the Inconvenient Truth, you label them as something else.

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Re: Mueller Has Officially Completed His Investigation—No Coordination With Russia (whatever that means)

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 25 00:04:12 2019, in response to Mueller Has Officially Completed His Investigation—No Coordination With Russia (whatever that means), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 24 21:46:42 2019.

Hmmm..
And I find his findings BULLSHIT.
YOU know BARR is Trumps HANDPICKED BOY...and had issues with Muellurs report even before appointment to AG.
This is EXACTLY What I saw coming,a fucking cover up...and Why I have lost faith in the System. I despise you bitches.
You fuckers are the absolute worst ever.


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Re: Mueller Has Officially Completed His Investigation—No Coordination With Russia (whatever that means)

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 25 00:04:12 2019, in response to Mueller Has Officially Completed His Investigation—No Coordination With Russia (whatever that means), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 24 21:46:42 2019.

Hmmm..
And I find his findings BULLSHIT.
YOU know BARR is Trumps HANDPICKED BOY...and had issues with Muellurs report even before appointment to AG.
This is EXACTLY What I saw coming,a fucking cover up...and Why I have lost faith in the System. I despise you bitches.
You fuckers are the absolute worst ever.


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Re: Mueller Has Officially Completed His Investigation—No Coordination With Russia (whatever that means)

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 25 00:04:12 2019, in response to Mueller Has Officially Completed His Investigation—No Coordination With Russia (whatever that means), posted by Olog-hai on Sun Mar 24 21:46:42 2019.

Hmmm..
And I find his findings BULLSHIT.
YOU know BARR is Trumps HANDPICKED BOY...and had issues with Muellurs report even before appointment to AG.
This is EXACTLY What I saw coming,a fucking cover up...and Why I have lost faith in the System. I despise you bitches.
You fuckers are the absolute worst ever.


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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 25 00:54:04 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 22:15:16 2019.

Yep

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 25 00:57:40 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Mar 24 23:43:11 2019.

Exactly. And she’s eating her own. Typical ultra-left purity obsession.

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 25 01:47:41 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Mar 25 00:57:40 2019.

Stevie Wonder could see that you are saying this as a warning to Democrats and how to defeat Trump, but she takes it as you praising Trump!

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Mar 25 02:23:28 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 24 22:38:55 2019.

How absurd. You realize you, as an extremist are attacking a moderate Democrat. Your so extreme, you are calling him a Trumper?

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Mar 25 02:28:29 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 21:51:25 2019.

It's not just speaking, although that's more than Hillary did.

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Mar 25 02:35:42 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Mar 24 22:15:16 2019.

Now? You only notice this now?

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Mar 25 02:37:58 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 24 22:37:46 2019.

Lol!! It's your type that is tearing the Democrats apart and making them unwinnable.

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Re: Mueller Has Officially Completed His Investigation—No Coordination With Russia (whatever that means)

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Mar 25 03:04:20 2019, in response to Re: Mueller Has Officially Completed His Investigation—No Coordination With Russia (whatever that means), posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 25 00:04:12 2019.

Lol!

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 25 04:11:25 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon Mar 25 02:23:28 2019.

That's what she does! She calls me a Trumper as well.

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Re: Mueller Punts?

Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 25 04:25:56 2019, in response to Re: Mueller Punts?, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 24 18:56:15 2019.

Kudos to Al for not going the uranium one route

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by mtk52983 on Mon Mar 25 04:49:39 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Mar 25 04:11:25 2019.

The difference is Spider-Pig actually wants to see the Democrats defeat Trump in 2020 and you have still refused to name a current Democrat (declared or not) you would vote for instead of Trump in 2020.

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Mar 25 07:26:02 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Sun Mar 24 21:21:29 2019.

Thats Ironic seeing that conservatives are doing the same thing with Abortion... telling women what they can and cannot do. Yet you are fine with that... cause morals right?

So for you, it is okay to tell americans what to do because of YOUR moral compass...

By your logic whats the point of laws then?

We made using a seat belt mandatory to save lives....should we undo that? I mean we can list other things that are “forced” that actually save lives.

But lets only do things Train Dudes way cause hypocrisy is a wonderful thing.

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Re: Mueller Has Officially Completed The #WitchHunt

Posted by 3-9 on Mon Mar 25 07:31:06 2019, in response to Re: Mueller Has Officially Completed The #WitchHunt, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Mar 22 22:11:48 2019.

I don't think bingbong is totally off-base here. I would rather have the report released in full to Congress (at the very least) so that it can be fully disseminated. That's the surest way to avoid rumors and conspiracy theories and definitely put an end to the investigation.

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Re: Mueller Has Officially Completed The #WitchHunt

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 25 07:33:57 2019, in response to Re: Mueller Has Officially Completed The #WitchHunt, posted by 3-9 on Mon Mar 25 07:31:06 2019.

I, too, would like to see the actual report, instead of a "summary" by a Trump appointee.

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 25 07:57:54 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by ClearAspect on Mon Mar 25 07:26:02 2019.

And weed.

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Re: Mueller Has Officially Completed The #WitchHunt

Posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 25 08:03:49 2019, in response to Re: Mueller Has Officially Completed The #WitchHunt, posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 22 22:11:24 2019.

I don’t think it’s necessarily a cover-up, per se but the opportunity is there to soften the language. I think it benefits everyone to release the report to remove the last clouds. Trump and #cult45 feels he is exonerated so there should be no problem with publicizing the report. And in my best Lieutenant Colombo voice “why not exonerated?“

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Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election

Posted by ClearAspect on Mon Mar 25 08:06:46 2019, in response to Re: Trump Will Win 2020 Election, posted by Fred G on Mon Mar 25 07:57:54 2019.

So why do conseravtives want to ban Abortion and Weed or Stem cell research Train Dude? You told me liberals are the ones dictating what people should and shouldnt do so whats with conservatives in these cases?

Care to explain?

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Re: Mueller Has Officially Completed The #WitchHunt

Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Mon Mar 25 08:08:48 2019, in response to Re: Mueller Has Officially Completed The #WitchHunt, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Mar 25 07:33:57 2019.

Don't you want to see all the "fake evidence" in the Jussie Smollett case. I mean, you were so sure then, too.

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