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Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED
Posted by AlM* on Tue Aug 7 13:00:58 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by DanD124 on Tue Aug 7 12:55:05 2018.* The difference is that Jones can be shown in court to have defamed. I agree that if Jones had only committed obnoxious speech and not provably defamatory speech, the coordinated action would be dubious.
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Posted by bingbong* on Tue Aug 7 14:42:23 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Aug 6 20:45:18 2018.* No, it cannot.
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Posted by bingbong* on Tue Aug 7 14:45:31 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 6 23:38:33 2018.* Tha's wrong. Jones still has his website. Taking that away would be censorship. Individual aggregators dropping his "content" for demonstrable TOS violation is not.
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Tue Aug 7 14:47:11 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Aug 6 23:38:33 2018.* IDWTP
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Tue Aug 7 14:47:29 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by bingbong on Tue Aug 7 14:45:31 2018.* IAWTP
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE* on Tue Aug 7 14:51:36 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by bingbong on Tue Aug 7 14:42:23 2018.* WABB
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Tue Aug 7 15:49:39 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Aug 7 14:47:29 2018.* figures
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Posted by chicagomotorman* on Tue Aug 7 15:49:49 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Aug 7 14:47:11 2018.* figures
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Posted by DanD124* on Tue Aug 7 15:55:31 2018, in response to ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Aug 6 15:24:24 2018.* Dear Libtards who think Facebook is a privately owned business, There's a thing called fact-checking. Facebook is a public business that's publicly traded. Using that argument to justify banning Alex Jones doesn't work pic.twitter.com/6laQBgn0qF — Millie Weaver (@Millie__Weaver) August 7, 2018 lol
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Aug 7 16:06:43 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by DanD124 on Tue Aug 7 15:55:31 2018.* IAWTLOL!
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Tue Aug 7 16:34:29 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by DanD124 on Tue Aug 7 15:55:31 2018.* dand124 is energized. His dream of censorship is moving closer to reality. Eventually #walkaway videos will be banned or anything flagged by people I've listed many times. Be interesting to see how youtube reacts to Alex Jones appearing as a guest with youtubers who have a big following. Also interesting to note that last night on Coast to Coast, George Noory did not mention the Alex Jones story. Odd.
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Posted by DanD124* on Tue Aug 7 16:41:58 2018, in response to ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Aug 6 15:24:24 2018.* Let's try this again last time it worked in preview but not in the final post. Dear Libtards who think Facebook is a privately owned business, There's a thing called fact-checking. Facebook is a public business that's publicly traded. Using that argument to justify banning Alex Jones doesn't work pic.twitter.com/6laQBgn0qF — Millie Weaver (@Millie__Weaver) August 7, 2018
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Posted by DanD124* on Tue Aug 7 16:42:21 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by DanD124 on Tue Aug 7 16:41:58 2018.* it happened again.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Aug 7 16:42:57 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by DanD124 on Tue Aug 7 16:42:21 2018.* It won't ever work. What you have now is fine.
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Posted by DanD124* on Tue Aug 7 16:44:08 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 7 16:34:29 2018.* lol I have no love for Jones but I'm concerned about where this could lead
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Posted by DanD124* on Tue Aug 7 16:45:50 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 7 16:42:57 2018.* I guess Larry put in some html limiting codes that block tweets.
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Posted by DanD124* on Tue Aug 7 16:47:12 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by DanD124 on Tue Aug 7 15:55:31 2018.* WOW Apparently, "Progressives" can't read. I simply pointed out that the cliche' argument that 'Facebook can censor Alex Jones because they're a privately owned business' doesn't work. Why? Because it's a factually incorrect. Facebook is a public business. — Millie Weaver (@Millie__Weaver) August 7, 2018
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Tue Aug 7 16:48:17 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Aug 7 15:49:39 2018.* WHAT
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Tue Aug 7 16:48:23 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by DanD124 on Tue Aug 7 16:47:12 2018.* Millie is being dragged for filth on Twitter for this! 😂😂😂😂😂
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/* on Tue Aug 7 16:48:30 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Aug 7 15:49:49 2018.* WHAT
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Posted by DanD124* on Tue Aug 7 16:48:39 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by DanD124 on Tue Aug 7 15:55:31 2018.* I seem to remember olog making an argument like this in the past.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Tue Aug 7 16:52:25 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by DanD124 on Tue Aug 7 16:44:08 2018.* ? Well, it's leading in the direction most Democrats want it to lead. Censorship. I'm concerned that the Paleo Diet will be classified as a hate group and their videos removed. That's the direction the world is moving towards. Videos that make fun of Amy Schumer and Netta will be banned too.
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Posted by DanD124* on Tue Aug 7 17:08:32 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by DanD124 on Tue Aug 7 16:48:39 2018.* Here it is
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Posted by Fred G* on Tue Aug 7 17:19:47 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by DanD124 on Tue Aug 7 15:55:31 2018.* Looks like Millie owned herself...publicly! 😂
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Tue Aug 7 18:45:18 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 7 01:21:01 2018.* When are we doing a Whole Foods store tour so I can teach you how to eat right? Thanks anyway, but I'm doing fine. Still losing, though slowly, but not putting it all back on. Saw my cardiologist today. He called my weight loss as an amazing transformation. No sense in doing it your way when my way works just as good. But thanks anyway. Bill Newkirk
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Posted by Fred G* on Tue Aug 7 18:46:56 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Aug 7 18:45:18 2018.* Keep up the good work, Bill!
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Tue Aug 7 18:50:01 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Aug 7 18:45:18 2018.* Did your doctor ask you about your bowel movements? That is a major indicator of digestive health. As for your weight loss, whatever you have achieved, you would do better on my approach.
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Posted by bingbong* on Tue Aug 7 19:16:57 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Tue Aug 7 14:51:36 2018.* Liar. Stop lying.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Aug 7 20:06:47 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by bingbong on Tue Aug 7 14:45:31 2018.* Whatever you have to tell yourself
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Posted by bingbong* on Tue Aug 7 21:33:13 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 7 20:06:47 2018.* Can't argue the facts, so you attack the messenger. Just as a trumper does.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Tue Aug 7 23:50:07 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by bingbong on Tue Aug 7 21:33:13 2018.* I didn't attack you. I'm not a "Trumper". You're statement is wrong.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Wed Aug 8 00:25:59 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 7 23:50:07 2018.* will AlM post Ohio special election thread? He's really in to politics.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Wed Aug 8 19:46:29 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 7 18:46:56 2018.* Keep up the good work, Bill! Thanks Fred G. Bill Newkirk
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Posted by FYBklyn1959* on Wed Aug 8 21:49:05 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by Bill Newkirk on Tue Aug 7 18:45:18 2018.* PWNED
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Posted by displaced angeleno* on Wed Aug 8 22:45:04 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 6 16:26:32 2018.* In one breath you accuse others of wanting a totalitarian state and in the next create a list of dissenters presumably to hand to such a state when the time comes.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Wed Aug 8 23:26:19 2018, in response to Re: ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by displaced angeleno on Wed Aug 8 22:45:04 2018.* they are the Statists. They are the ones who want to imprison anyone who disagrees with them.
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Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sat Aug 11 10:40:58 2018, in response to ALEX JONES HAS BEEN BANNED, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Aug 6 15:24:24 2018.* Grey (Democratic Socialist) Lady Facebook Banned Infowars. Now What? By Kevin Roose Aug. 10, 2018 Late on Sunday, after returning to his hotel room on a trip away from home, Mark Zuckerberg made a decision he had hoped to avoid. For weeks, the Facebook chief executive and his colleagues had debated what to do about Infowars, the notorious far-right news site, and Alex Jones, Infowars' choleric founder, who became famous for his spittle-flecked rants and far-fetched conspiracies, including the idea that the Sandy Hook massacre was an elaborate hoax promoted by gun-control supporters. Mr. Jones is just one Facebook user out of 2.2 billion, but he had become symbolic of tech platforms' inconsistency and reluctance to engage in a misinformation war. The pressure on Facebook to do something about him had intensified after executives gave a series of vague and confusing answers to lawmakers and reporters about the company's policies. Misinformation was allowed to stay on the platform, they said, but hate speech wasn't. So users dug up and reported old Infowars posts, asking for their removal on the grounds that they glorified violence and contained dehumanizing language against Muslims, immigrants, and transgender people. These posts clearly violated Facebook's hate speech rules. And in a normal situation, a low-level content moderator might have reviewed them, found that they qualified, and taken them down. But Mr. Jones was no typical internet crank. He has millions of followers, a popular video show, ~~and the ear of President Trump -- who once told the provocateur that his reputation was "amazing."~~ Banning such a prominent activist would lead to political blowback, no matter how justified the action was. The situation was volatile enough that Mr. Zuckerberg got personally engaged, according to two people involved in Facebook's handling of the accounts. He discussed Infowars at length with other executives, and mused privately about whether Mr. Jones -- who once called Mr. Zuckerberg a "genetic-engineered psychopath" in a video -- was purposefully trying to get kicked off the platform to gain attention, they said. Mr. Zuckerberg, an engineer by training and temperament, has always preferred narrow process decisions to broad, subjective judgments. His evaluation of Infowars took the form of a series of technical policy questions. They included whether the mass-reporting of Infowars posts constituted coordinated "brigading," a tactic common in online harassment campaigns. Executives also debated whether Mr. Jones should receive a "strike" for each post containing hate speech (which would lead to removing his pages as well as the individual posts) or a single, collective strike (which would remove the posts, but leave his pages up). Late Sunday, Apple -- which has often tried to stake out moral high ground on contentious debates -- removed Infowars podcasts from iTunes. After seeing the news, Mr. Zuckerberg sent a note to his team confirming his own decision: the strikes against Infowars and Mr. Jones would count individually, and the pages would come down. The announcement arrived at 3 a.m. Pacific time. In the days that followed, other platforms -- YouTube, Pinterest, MailChimp, and more -- said they, too, were banning Infowars. The notable exception was Twitter, which decided not to ban the site or Mr. Jones. The company's chief executive, Jack Dorsey, tweeted a veiled shot at the way his rivals handled the situation. "We're going to hold Jones to the same standard we hold to every account, not taking one-off actions to make us feel good in the short term, and adding fuel to new conspiracy theories," he said. Now, cut off from most of his audience, Mr. Jones will have to chart a new course. He has already stepped enthusiastically into a role as a free-speech martyr. (After the ban took effect, Infowars slapped a "censored" label on its videos and launched a "forbidden information" marketing campaign.) And conservatives -- and even some free-speech advocates on the left -- worried that social media companies may be entering a new, censorious era. Senator Ted Cruz, the Republican from Texas, paraphrased the famous Martin Niemoeller poem about German accommodation of Nazism: "First, they came for Alex Jones." Social media executives have a history of going to great lengths to assuage fears of anti-conservative bias, and this week was no exception. On Thursday, Richard Allan, a Facebook vice president of policy, published a blog post about the company's commitment to free speech. With the exception of violent threats and hate speech, he wrote, "we lean toward free expression. It's core to both who we are and why we exist." Mr. Dorsey also appeared on Sean Hannity's radio show, where he gave reassurances that Twitter does not discriminate against conservatives. Slippery-slope fears about mass censorship by social media platforms are probably overblown. For starters, Infowars presented an unusual case because of its size, the extreme nature of its content and the ferocity of Mr. Jones's critics. Mr. Zuckerberg does not have time to adjudicate every dispute over hate speech on Facebook, nor does he want to. In fact, taking action against Infowars could allow social media giants to avoid future conflicts over extreme content by setting a new, hard-to-beat standard for unacceptable toxicity. ("Yes, Jewhater McRacist is bad," they may say, "but he's no Alex Jones.") Many other internet conspiracists have learned how to tiptoe to the edge of platforms' rules without breaking them -- speaking in code about Pizzagate, for example, or saying things like "I'm not saying he's a crisis actor, but if he were ..." One lesson Mr. Zuckerberg has taken from the Infowars saga, said the people involved in the handling of Mr. Jones's Facebook accounts, is that the social network's policies are overly complex and need to be simplified. Privately, company officials have also downplayed the Infowars bans, saying they don't represent a watershed moment in the online free speech debate, but are rather a matter of how to enforce Facebook's existing policies. This is a convenient narrative, of course, from a company that would rather haggle over terms of service than discuss the power and governance of its platform. There are legitimate questions, still unanswered, about what to do about the huge, unaccountable corporations that control large pieces of our modern communications infrastructure. Both fans and critics of Infowars can probably agree that a system in which one executive can decide to shut off a news organization's access to a large portion of its audience is hardly ideal. There are also valid questions about why Infowars got so popular in the first place, and whether attention-maximizing platforms like Facebook and YouTube are designed in ways so that people like Mr. Jones are incentivized to push the boundaries of acceptable speech. After all, these platforms didn't just host Infowars content for those who were seeking it -- they actively promoted it to millions of people for years, through algorithmic feeds and recommendation engines that decide which videos to show you next. Could these platforms be redesigned so that the next Alex Jones never gets that kind of boost, and remains on the ideological fringes? These questions will have to wait. For now, tech leaders seem satisfied to have dealt with their Infowars problems, at least temporarily. They will return to their defensive crouch, hiding their power behind policies, making small changes under pressure, and hoping that nobody notices the size of their footprints.
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Posted by bingbong* on Sat Aug 11 10:50:06 2018, in response to Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 11 10:40:58 2018.* Well, we all know how heartbroken you are about that, but face it. Freedom of speech does not apply to threats against the safety of Americans (inciting violence against SandyHook victim families for one glaring example). His sidewalk act should never had been able to get this far.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sat Aug 11 11:00:09 2018, in response to Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 11 10:40:58 2018.* Why the strikeover? It is a fact that Trump endorsed Jones.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Aug 11 11:05:44 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 11:00:09 2018.* Olog-Hai admires the USSR; he likes changing facts to suit his needs.
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Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Sat Aug 11 11:06:43 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 11:05:44 2018.* Olog wouldn't last ten minutes in the old USSR.
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Aug 11 11:21:46 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 11 10:50:06 2018. What is a sidewalk act?
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Sat Aug 11 11:24:55 2018, in response to Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 11 10:40:58 2018.* Fascistbook.
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Posted by BILLBKLYN* on Sat Aug 11 11:26:52 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 11 10:50:06 2018.* Sieg heil, Bingoebbels!
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Aug 11 11:28:24 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sat Aug 11 11:06:43 2018.* How do you figure that?
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 11:28:51 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by chicagomotorman on Sat Aug 11 11:21:46 2018. You know, like a street performer or barker.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Aug 11 11:29:40 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 11:24:55 2018.* Stalin would have loved Facebook. People voluntarily surrendering their privacy is a totalitarian's dream.
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Posted by Fred G* on Sat Aug 11 11:33:43 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 11:28:24 2018.* Yeah I think he'd thrive. Already has the constitution memorized and everything.
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Posted by AlM* on Sat Aug 11 11:35:41 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Aug 11 11:26:52 2018.* Disgusting comparison. Alex Jones accuses people whose children have been murdered of being paid actors who are making it all up. And so they have to go into hiding because Jones' followers publish their addresses and threaten their lives. The First Amendment keeps Jones from being arrested for criminal libel. He wouldn't do that well in Britain, which is a democracy too. But there is no reason anyone whatsoever should help him distribute his message.
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Posted by AlM* on Sat Aug 11 11:37:09 2018, in response to Re: Zuckerberg personally made decision to ban Alex Jones/Infowars from FB, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 11 11:28:24 2018.* He might have tried to support the Party but he wouldn't have been able to keep his mouth shut, and sooner or later he would have pissed off some boss.
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