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Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 13:34:57 2018 WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Supreme Court ruled Monday for a Colorado baker who wouldn't make a wedding cake for a same-sex couple in a limited decision that leaves for another day the larger issue of whether a business can invoke religious objections to refuse service to gay and lesbian people.The justices' decision turned on what the court described as anti-religious bias on the Colorado Civil Rights Commission when it ruled against baker Jack Phillips. The justices voted 7-2 that the commission violated Phillips' rights under the First Amendment. Justice Anthony Kennedy said in his majority opinion that the larger issue "must await further elaboration" in the courts. Appeals in similar cases are pending, including one at the Supreme Court from a florist who didn't want to provide flowers for a same-sex wedding. The disputes, Kennedy wrote, "must be resolved with tolerance, without undue disrespect to sincere religious beliefs, and without subjecting gay persons to indignities when they seek goods and services in an open market." The same-sex couple at the heart of the case, Charlie Craig and Dave Mullins, complained to the Colorado commission in 2012 after they visited Phillips' Masterpiece Cakeshop in suburban Denver and the baker quickly told them he would not create a cake for their wedding celebration. Colorado law prohibits discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation, and the commission concluded that Phillips' refusal violated the law, despite Phillips' argument that he is opposed to same-sex marriage on religious grounds. Colorado state courts upheld the determination. But when the justices heard arguments in December, Kennedy was plainly bothered by comments by a commission member that the justice said disparaged religion. The commissioner seemed "neither tolerant nor respectful of Mr. Phillips' religious beliefs," Kennedy said in December. That same sentiment suffused his opinion on Monday. "The commission's hostility was inconsistent with the First Amendment's guarantee that our laws be applied in a manner that is neutral toward religion," he wrote. Baker Jack Phillips Says He's Received Death Threats Liberal justices Stephen Breyer and Elena Kagan joined the conservative justices in the outcome. Kagan wrote separately to emphasize the limited ruling. Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor dissented. In a statement issued after the ruling Monday, Phillips' Supreme Court lawyer praised the decision. "Government hostility toward people of faith has no place in our society, yet the state of Colorado was openly antagonistic toward Jack's religious beliefs about marriage. The court was right to condemn that," said Kristen Waggoner, the Alliance Defending Freedom senior counsel who argued Phillips' case. Waggoner said Phillips is willing to sell ready-made products to anyone who enters his store. But, "he simply declines to express messages or celebrate events that violate his deeply held beliefs," she said. Phillips was at his shop Monday morning, where he was busy answering the phone and getting congratulations from his supporters in person, including his pastor. One woman brought him a bouquet of flowers and others hugged him. The American Civil Liberties Union, which represented the couple in its legal fight, said it was pleased the court did not endorse a broad religion-based exemption from anti-discrimination laws. "The court reversed the Masterpiece Cakeshop decision based on concerns unique to the case but reaffirmed its longstanding rule that states can prevent the harms of discrimination in the marketplace, including against LGBT people." said Louise Melling, the ACLU's deputy legal director. Several legal disputes are pending over wedding services, similar to the Phillips case. Video producers, graphic artists and florists are among business owners who say they oppose same-sex marriage on religious grounds and don't want to participate in same-sex weddings. Barronelle Stutzman, a florist in Richland, Washington, has appealed a state Supreme Court ruling that found she violated state law for refusing to provide the wedding flowers for two men who were about to be married. The justices could decide what to do with that appeal by the end of June. Associated Press |
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Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Jun 4 14:22:52 2018, in response to Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 13:34:57 2018. We know; there's an existing thread.http://www.subchat.com/otchat/read.asp?Id=1526022 |
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Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 14:26:20 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by Dave on Mon Jun 4 14:22:52 2018. and what is your opinion |
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Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Jun 4 14:29:00 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 14:26:20 2018. My opinion: If there is an existing thread, it's a waste of time to start another thread on the same subject. What is your opinion? |
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Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 14:34:38 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Jun 4 14:29:00 2018. so you have nothing to say |
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Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Jun 4 14:45:16 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Jun 4 14:29:00 2018. El oh el |
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Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Jun 4 15:17:38 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 14:26:20 2018. I haven't read the decisions by the Commission or the Court of Appeals, so I can't say whether I agree or disagree with SCOTUS. |
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Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Jun 4 15:32:27 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Jun 4 14:29:00 2018. Well, the other thread title was a bit obscure. One has to be utterly specific for people such as the OP. |
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Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 15:44:59 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by Dave on Mon Jun 4 15:17:38 2018. would you take photos of a gay wedding |
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Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 16:40:56 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 15:44:59 2018. BUMP |
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Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Jun 4 16:41:49 2018, in response to Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 13:34:57 2018. Good. |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Jun 4 16:53:22 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 15:44:59 2018. Sure, why not? In fact, I did so a little over a year ago for one of my oldest friends (we attended college at the same time; shared an on-campus apartment with four others guys; and he's my fraternity brother). |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 18:27:13 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Jun 4 16:41:49 2018. IAWTP |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Jun 4 19:19:39 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 18:27:13 2018. You're kidding? |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 20:07:05 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Jun 4 19:19:39 2018. no i am not |
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Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 22:07:42 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 20:07:05 2018. bump |
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Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake |
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Posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Jun 4 22:23:00 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 22:07:42 2018. Flip |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 22:26:58 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Jun 4 22:23:00 2018. ???????????? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Jun 4 23:28:26 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by Chicagomotorman on Mon Jun 4 19:19:39 2018. Salaam's opposition to LGBTQ rights is not news. |
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Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 02:40:29 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon Jun 4 23:28:26 2018. you cannot FORCE me to take photos of a faggot wedding |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jun 5 05:05:46 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 02:40:29 2018. Why would a bundle of sticks be getting married? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 5 07:55:09 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 02:40:29 2018. What if it was a gay Nation of Islam wedding? |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 09:52:50 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 5 07:55:09 2018. never happen |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 09:53:17 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jun 5 05:05:46 2018. ?? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 5 11:59:32 2018, in response to Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Jun 4 13:34:57 2018. Seems to me that if gay people want a cake and flowers and I can supply them, I give it to them. I really don't care who they marry (its their funeral, if you ask me) and their money is as green as anyone else's. |
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Posted by Mtk52983 on Tue Jun 5 12:06:47 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 5 11:59:32 2018. If they want me to do anything unique I can see an issue, but an off the shelf occasion cake or floral arrangement I feel differently about |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jun 5 12:21:40 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 09:52:50 2018. Bet it happens on the down low. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 5 12:49:58 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 5 11:59:32 2018. That's not the point.And it seems you aren't too into your religion then. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 13:33:10 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 5 11:59:32 2018. sorry i will not photograph a ''gay'' wedding |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 5 13:43:58 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 09:52:50 2018. Why would it never happen? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 5 13:51:28 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 13:33:10 2018. So you can! In fact, you can get in between the groom and the groom to make a living Salami sandwich! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 13:51:49 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by Dave on Tue Jun 5 12:21:40 2018. WRONG |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 13:52:11 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 5 13:43:58 2018. we will kick them out |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 13:53:34 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 5 13:51:28 2018. FUCK YOU |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jun 5 14:29:53 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 5 13:51:28 2018. ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 14:35:31 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by Dave on Tue Jun 5 14:29:53 2018. baloney to you too |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Jun 5 14:39:25 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 13:52:11 2018. Very tolerant of NOI. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 5 14:40:08 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 13:52:11 2018. It's not up to you to kick someone out of religion, it's up to the Magic Man In The Sky |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 5 14:41:30 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 13:53:34 2018. Tasty!! |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 5 14:47:35 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 5 12:49:58 2018. My religion applies to me and my fellow Jews. What the Gentiles do is their business. That's my opinion. My religion does not oppose my making a cake for someone. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 5 14:48:31 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 13:33:10 2018. What if it were two gay Muslims? |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 14:50:58 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 5 14:40:08 2018. you are clueless |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 14:51:21 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by Dave on Tue Jun 5 14:39:25 2018. we dont have faggots in our ranks |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 14:51:51 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 5 14:41:30 2018. STFU BITCH |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 14:52:31 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 5 14:48:31 2018. not allowed |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 14:52:35 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Jun 5 14:48:31 2018. not allowed |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 5 14:56:20 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 14:52:31 2018. But fucking livestock/draft animals/boys is?? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 5 14:56:53 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 14:50:58 2018. Yeah, *I* am....🙄 |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 5 14:57:21 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 14:51:21 2018. That you KNOW of. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Jun 5 14:58:55 2018, in response to Re: Justices side with Colorado baker on same-sex wedding cake, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Tue Jun 5 14:51:51 2018. Nothing like a Salami sandwich between 2 pieces pumpernickel bread!!!MMMMM. MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, bitch!! |
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