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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 23 13:19:06 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 23 13:07:32 2017.

That is false. All things being equal, fat is worse than fit. I'm not talking about a few extra pounds here, morbid obesity is unfortunately very common among Pacific Islanders.

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Re: Nature

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 23 14:23:20 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 23 13:05:38 2017.

Oh for God's sake!

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Re: Nature

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 23 14:23:38 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 23 13:06:52 2017.

I'll be ok.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by AlM on Wed Aug 23 14:27:42 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 23 11:48:48 2017.

Blame natural selection. There were probably horrible famines in the past where the only Pacific Islanders who survived were those who only needed a bare minimum of calories to survive.

Unfortunately the genes that let you survive such a famine also make you incredibly susceptible to obesity and diabetes.

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Re: Nature

Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 23 14:29:02 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 23 09:27:18 2017.

I read what you said. You said there's no way to prove or disprove. So end of discussion.

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Re: Nature

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 23 14:31:13 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 23 14:29:02 2017.

So you cannot have a history discussion on who discovered America First? The contenders are the monks of the same Brandon, the Vikings, the Polynesians who was supposed to visit Peru and Chile, and then Christopher Columbus. They are all valid theories

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Re: Nature

Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 23 14:32:24 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 23 14:31:13 2017.

Of course you can but the discussion ends when nothing can be proven.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 23 14:39:47 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 23 14:27:42 2017.

It's because the plants available for food on Pacific islands is of poor caloric content. And they have only relatively recently had access to the higher calorie Western and Asian foods.

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Re: Nature

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 23 14:51:00 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 23 14:32:24 2017.

No, discussions end when something is disproven.

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Re: Nature

Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 23 15:02:09 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 23 14:51:00 2017.

LOL!

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by 3-9 on Wed Aug 23 15:23:48 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Aug 22 13:38:38 2017.

He does have a point. Diet, exercise, pollution, all took their tolls on people before we had a better understanding of the relationships.

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Re: Nature

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 23 16:40:22 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 23 14:51:00 2017.

FALSE! That's some OLOGic right there.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 23 18:02:51 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 23 13:19:06 2017.

That is only since they have been off what was their diet.hard to become obese on fish, fruit and roots/ tubers.

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Re: Nature

Posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 23 18:04:57 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 23 13:17:14 2017.

Never said they couldn't.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 23 18:08:49 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 23 18:02:51 2017.

They are off their diet because a basic western diet is more efficient and plentiful for those who are genetically predisposed to it.

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Re: Nature

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 23 18:09:07 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 23 18:04:57 2017.

Yes you did.

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Re: Nature

Posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 23 18:09:20 2017, in response to Re: Nature, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Aug 23 14:23:38 2017.

If I were you, I'd be concerned.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 23 18:14:36 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 23 18:08:49 2017.

Pacific/Asian Aboriginal populations aren't. Same goes for Native Americans.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 23 18:17:50 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 23 18:14:36 2017.

So Pacific Islanders are stuck either being fat or eating very carefully.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 23 18:28:11 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 23 18:17:50 2017.

Heh. Same goes for everyone, give or take a lucky few.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 23 19:29:30 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 23 18:28:11 2017.

A quarter of all Samoans carry a gene that makes them genetically predisposed to becoming obese.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 23 21:41:53 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 23 19:29:30 2017.

PWN3D!

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 23 22:04:32 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 23 19:29:30 2017.

And this somehow makes them less happy?

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by Dave on Thu Aug 24 07:47:25 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 23 21:41:53 2017.

Yessir.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 24 08:28:19 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 23 22:04:32 2017.

It makes them sick and dead. It's hard to be happy with that.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by ClearAspect on Thu Aug 24 08:35:13 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 23 19:29:30 2017.

It is fascinating, and shows evolution in action, latest research points to that gene helped samoans conquer their terratories by allowing them to endure the long trips between islands during their past which allowed to store fat and release energy over time.

But in this modern era, the gene is now a negative.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 24 10:05:08 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 23 11:16:00 2017.

Danes are the happiest.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 24 10:23:53 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 24 10:05:08 2017.

Great Danes.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 24 10:40:28 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by SMAZ on Thu Aug 24 10:05:08 2017.

True. They're also among the coldest. Probably the only wish a Dane would have is to be a Pacific Islander.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 24 10:49:24 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 24 10:40:28 2017.

Copenhagen is warmer than Albany and about the same as New York City. There are plenty of places that are way colder than Denmark. It is far from "among the coldest."

Besides, cold is easier to deal with than heat. Staying warm, by way of fire and wearing furs has been an option for hundreds of thousands of years. Air conditioning was only invented in the 20th Century.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 24 10:53:28 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 24 10:49:24 2017.

NYC, surrounded by water, always feels colder than it is to me. I disagree with the cold tolerance thing.

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Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history

Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 24 12:30:35 2017, in response to Re: Nature with Billbklyns wrong history, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Aug 24 10:49:24 2017.

Copenhagen is warmer than Albany

In winter only. Albany has higher seasonal variation in temperature.

Have you ever noticed the weather for Ulan Baator? Unbelievable summer to winter variation. That's what happens when you're thousands of miles from any ocean, and especially in the windward direction.

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