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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu May 4 00:19:28 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by ClearAspect on Wed May 3 21:21:21 2017. You are avoiding the issue, asswipe. What high school did you dropout of? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 4 02:25:26 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 3 23:34:54 2017. What is a "big dick country?"Do you know anything about anything? They bought wheat because collective farming is a failure and was incapable of producing enough food for the people. It's why the Ukrainian famine happened. The Soviet Union was decades of trying to impose a fantasy onto reality and failing miserably. Big dick country Loser country I can't keep track. Fred just introduced "Big dick country" to the Subchatsphere last night. |
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Posted by R30A on Thu May 4 11:58:11 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Tue May 2 22:57:57 2017. The Democratic position on defense is in no way a disgrace. The disgrace is the GOP routinely using the military against our own interests, routinely setting up governments and organizations which end up turning against us, and following the counterproductive wars that they send our troops into, defunding veteran services.Reagan had nothing to do with bringing down the Soviets. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 4 12:22:59 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by R30A on Thu May 4 11:58:11 2017. Let's not forget wasting money on military hardware that the experts running the military tell Congress that they don't need. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 4 12:25:47 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by R30A on Thu May 4 11:58:11 2017. LOL! Everything you said is the opposite of reality. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu May 4 15:31:36 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 3 20:57:21 2017. No Spider---the Russians politburo and their chief military leaders said is was Reagan's policies across the board that led to their downfall. Without the US military build-up and their extending the Afghan rebels stinger missiles the Evil Empire could have trudged on for another two or three decades. You libs have never wanted to give RR credit but too bad. HE DID I T!!!!! |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu May 4 15:33:32 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by Fred G on Wed May 3 22:55:08 2017. bULLSHIT ON THAT fRED. tHEY HAD BEEN BUYING WHEAT FROM US SINCE 1963. They had also been buying wheat from Argentina and Canada despite the fact they had rich black soil in W, Russia that could yield enough to feed their people but their horse dung collectivization of agriculture was a total joke. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu May 4 15:35:53 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 3 23:34:54 2017. Sorry Spider, you knowledge of history is horse puckie. Stalin himself intentionally brought on the famine in the early 30's when he decided to collectivize Soviet agriculture and had to deal with the independent farmers (Kulaks) who refused to give up their harvests.You need to read your history. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 4 15:37:48 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu May 4 15:33:32 2017. their horse dung collectivization of agriculture was a total jokeThat's just what Fred said. They destroyed their agriculture. They similarly destroyed their industrial economy. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 4 15:44:07 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu May 4 15:31:36 2017. They're certainly not going to admit that they personally failed. It's natural that they would blame someone else.There are still deluded orthodox Leninists who believe that Soviet Socialism would have succeeded if the "imperialist" U.S. hadn't interfered. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu May 4 15:44:50 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu May 4 15:35:53 2017. Liberal history requires no facts. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu May 4 15:44:51 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu May 4 15:35:53 2017. Liberal history requires no facts. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 4 15:56:24 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu May 4 15:35:53 2017. Do you read what you respond to? What part of your post contradicts mine? |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu May 4 15:58:26 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu May 4 15:35:53 2017. Fred I don't think he would disagree with you |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 4 16:05:01 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by jimmymc25 on Wed May 3 23:45:49 2017. Yeah. Wouldn't it be entertainng to watch those jamkoes sputtering on how it's a great idea? Gotta admit it's a helluva trial balloon. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 4 16:23:24 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 4 12:25:47 2017. how do you manage to live reality-free? |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu May 4 18:57:46 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu May 4 00:19:28 2017. Hard to believe R2 thatsome of these liberal types are so dense they can't see their asses from a hold in the ground. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu May 4 19:01:24 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Wed May 3 22:23:04 2017. Salaam, who you voted for is your business and no one else's. In 2008 Obama promised a new path for the country and people supported him. He brought a lot of promise and confidence and then as so many past presidents he kind of got badly sidetracked. If you look at history both liberal and conservative presidents for the most part have been mediocre and often disappointing. They don't make Abraham Lincoln's anymore and they never will. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Thu May 4 19:29:31 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by R2ChinaTown on Thu May 4 00:19:28 2017. Says the person that dodged from the get go? You never answered my original question.Reading is fundamental. I may have dropped out of the high school but you didnt have the score to get into it :) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 4 19:42:32 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu May 4 19:01:24 2017. In 2008 Obama promised a new path for the country and people supported him. He brought a lot of promise and confidence and then as so many past presidents he kind of got badly sidetracked.Can't believe you're whitewashing here. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 4 19:43:38 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu May 4 18:57:46 2017. That's the definition of being such a type. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 4 19:45:16 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu May 4 15:31:36 2017. pwnt. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu May 4 20:07:04 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by AlM on Thu May 4 15:37:48 2017. Yup. But, they also had first built it up. While the people were worse off than the west during the entirety of the Soviet Union's existence, it did give the SSRs a massive jolt into the 20th century. Then Stalin fucked it up. During his reign, the oppression of the government became obvious to anyone with half a brain, and by the time it was over the damage was done. The people mentally rebelled against the suffocating system and once they had room to breathe, corruption was able to spring forth unchallenged. By the 60s Jesus himself could have become leader of the USSR and still would not have been able to restore enough faith in the system to stop the fall. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Thu May 4 20:28:48 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu May 4 19:01:24 2017. i agree obama let me down big time |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 4 20:32:58 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu May 4 20:07:04 2017. By the 60s Jesus himself could have become leader of the USSRStop talking gobbledegook. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 4 20:49:44 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu May 4 20:07:04 2017. I disagree to the extent that such a degree of socialism and government control of the economy is impossible without oppression, even ignoring that government control of the economy is itself "oppressive," I mean that one can't sustain hard socialism without totalitarianism. It's why the Soviet Union fell after glasnost. Once the people were relatively free to speak, socialism could not be maintained. |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Thu May 4 23:38:42 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu May 4 18:57:46 2017. Clear Ass(pect) is lucky to have a civil service job or he'd never know what sort of work he was out of. |
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Posted by R2Chinatown on Thu May 4 23:39:27 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by ClearAspect on Thu May 4 19:29:31 2017. I don't need to answer your question but tank you for answering mine. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Fri May 5 02:13:50 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 4 20:49:44 2017. Once the people were relatively free to speak, socialism could not be maintained.And once they were free to speak, they were also free to demand the independence of the several Republics based on their own aspirations of national self-determination. And so it ended. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri May 5 10:59:20 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 4 20:49:44 2017. I'm not sure we're disagreeing. Hard socialism absolutely requires total government control. I guess my stance is that it need not be held by one person.Before Stalin there was certainly a lot of government control, but the system as designed was more decentralized (compartmentalized?) at the top. Not to insult the average person's intelligence, but without a unifying target for blame and misery, the potential for total oppression is invisible especially while living inside the system. To equate it to our modern day woes: if you are pro-gun, you will find politicians pushing for gun control to be oppressive. If you are pro-weed, you will find politicians calling for tougher drug laws to be oppressive. If you're pro-choice, you will find politicians calling for anti-abortion law oppressive. People who support free sharing of ideas find copyright law oppressive. Since different politicians are the faces of oppression for these groups, the conclusion of "the government is oppressive" is never reached. If one person held all of those freedom-restricting views and had the power to impose law on the entire nation, that person would become the obvious symbol for oppression, and the people would unify against them. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri May 5 11:05:51 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri May 5 10:59:20 2017. Not to insult the average person's intelligence, but without a unifying target for blame and misery, the potential for total oppression is invisible especially while living inside the system.I think plenty of Russians found the Soviet system to be very oppressive even before Stalin had complete control. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 5 11:09:56 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri May 5 10:59:20 2017. Hard socialism absolutely requires total government controlAll forms of socialism are designed to lead to totalitarianism. There's a reason why the Fabian Society's symbol is a turtle. Before Stalin there was certainly a lot of government control, but the system as designed was more decentralized (compartmentalized?) at the top "Before Stalin" there was Lenin, so what you claim is false. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri May 5 11:56:50 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Thu May 4 15:33:32 2017. Haha, you're so foamy and loaded for bear you overlooked our agreement here. |
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Posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri May 5 17:20:15 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 4 19:42:32 2017. I'm not Olag. The fact is Obama did offer a lot of promise to some people. However, I wasn't fooled for a second and didn't vote for him either time, but I know many people who swore by him just like some Trumps supporters would march through hell with him. It's just the nature of the political beast. My Republican roots are solid. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 5 19:17:14 2017, in response to Re: AlM Times blames conservatives for violence, posted by #4 Sea Beach Fred on Fri May 5 17:20:15 2017. The fact is Obama did offer a lot of promise to some peopleNope; he in fact offered nothing save empty words and nothing specific, except for the phrase "fundamental transformation", which was an attack on the USA. |
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