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Philly Soda Tax
Posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 25 00:49:23 2017 link
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Sat Feb 25 05:03:44 2017, in response to Philly Soda Tax, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 25 00:49:23 2017.* LOL nice try, nice try. One sarcastic comment cracked me up, it went something like: I don't understand, wasn't the purpose of this tax to make sure people would buy less soda in Philly? The politicians should be happy about this! Anyway, make it more expensive in the city and people will buy them anywhere else. And the rest of their groceries while out there, too. Unless they reverse this soon I predict the city proper will cease to have large grocery stores. And like other, similar fees (bag tax, alcohol, etc) only the Philly poor have to pay it, since everyone else has a car and can afford the time / fuel to make a trip out and buy in bulk.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by AlM* on Sat Feb 25 08:18:55 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Feb 25 05:03:44 2017.* only the Philly poor have to pay it Yeah, it's a regressive tax, and 1.5 cents per ounce is about $1 for a 2-liter bottle, which is a lot. Some low income people will probably be saved from diabetes as a result, but it's not clear this is the most cost effective way to produce those health gains.
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Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Sat Feb 25 08:59:40 2017, in response to Philly Soda Tax, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 25 00:49:23 2017.* We got that same soda tax nonsense here in Cook County.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by SLRT* on Sat Feb 25 12:10:59 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 25 08:18:55 2017.* "Some low income people will probably be saved from diabetes as a result" I'm not sure that's true. As my own doctor told me, if you have the gene for diabetes, you will get it eventually. Once you reach the pre-diabetic stage, then management of the disorder requires you watch your carbs, especially simple sugars. Then there is the basic hypocrisy of government telling you they care about your health where they really want your money.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by AlM* on Sat Feb 25 12:29:59 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by SLRT on Sat Feb 25 12:10:59 2017.* Once you reach the pre-diabetic stage, then management of the disorder requires you watch your carbs, especially simple sugars. Just what I was saying. A number of pre-diabetic low income people might stay out of actual diabetes because they are forced by cost to consume less sugar. I am not commenting about the good sense or the honesty of this approach.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat Feb 25 12:56:59 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 25 08:18:55 2017.* they should be taxed per gram of added sugar instead instead of by the ounce. What's funny is Philly has a winter which will reduce intake somewhat. In the south, where it's much warmer, sugar intake is going to be much greater. In Florida everyone is walking around with Polar Ice and Big Gulp year round. Be interesting to see how all this plays out when soda and energy drink demand peaks in the summer. If Philly has a t2d problem, it's gotta be far worse in places like Tampa, Atlanta, and Houston. LA has a big t2d problem too. But there are so many people in this country who eat several meals a week at 7-11, Circle K, and Wawa. It's really amazing.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sat Feb 25 13:43:25 2017, in response to Philly Soda Tax, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 25 00:49:23 2017.* It should be called the Bloomberg tax, named after the last mayor of the Big Apple. Philly should go one step further and institute a 5 cent tax on plastic bags to really piss off the electorate. Bill Newkirk
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Sat Feb 25 14:13:17 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Feb 25 13:43:25 2017.* As nutty stuff like this was with Bloomberg I take him any day over in the current mayor. de Blasio is the worst mayor in recent history.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Sat Feb 25 14:14:34 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 25 08:18:55 2017.* it is a regressive tax. That topic a side speaking of sugar soda, I stopped drinking sugar soda and drinks about five years ago, and now I can't even drink them at all as I lost the taste for them
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by AlM* on Sat Feb 25 14:21:09 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Feb 25 14:14:34 2017.* You're lucky. I stopped drinking soda also about 5 years ago and I've cut back on other sugary stuff like cookies. But I crave more sugar than I can afford to eat every single day.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat Feb 25 14:25:15 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 25 14:21:09 2017.* Eat more fat to kill sugar cravings. Eggs. Grass fed beef. Avocado. Dark chocolate. These will kill the cravings.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by AlM* on Sat Feb 25 14:32:28 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 25 14:25:15 2017.* I do and it doesn't.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat Feb 25 14:38:25 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 25 14:32:28 2017.* do you count calories and/or macros?
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat Feb 25 14:43:18 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sat Feb 25 13:43:25 2017.* Do you remember when Bloomberg attacked Atkins. But the Atkins diet was actually created to battle diabetes. Atkins studied a doctor named Banting in the UK. There are even parts of the world where people are on "The Banting Diet" or saying they're "banting". So Bloomberg is attacking sugar and attacking the diabetic diets. Instead he should have tried to find balance between the two.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat Feb 25 14:46:52 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Feb 25 14:14:34 2017.* it might be in part because you got married. You don't want your sexual market value to plummet. Now you have to keep that motivation going forward.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by AlM* on Sat Feb 25 14:58:56 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 25 14:38:25 2017.* No.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Feb 25 15:07:41 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Feb 25 14:13:17 2017.* zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sat Feb 25 19:22:51 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 25 14:43:18 2017.* Do you remember when Bloomberg attacked Atkins. Nope. Isn't the Atkins diet high on protein or potassium ? Bill Newkirk
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Sat Feb 25 20:34:35 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 25 14:21:09 2017.* Yeah, lucky If don't crave it....at all. I'll have desserts occasionally, but never sweet drinks anymore. I ccan'teven drink sugar soda or sweet iced tea, etc anymore.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Sat Feb 25 20:37:29 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 25 14:25:15 2017.* Interesting. I do like eggs, and if I eat chocolate, iit's dark, not milk chocolate. My friend upstate has a grass fed çow farm. And have to say, the beef is so different than other store bought beef.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by gp38/r42 chris* on Sat Feb 25 20:41:18 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 25 14:46:52 2017.* I just don'tlike sugar sweet drinks anymore. But have to aadmit, I did start cutting it out when Ibegan dating my wife. She showed me how much sugar iI was drinking in a "24 ounce Arizona iced tea", etc. And once I stopped, I don't even like tthe taste of swett drinks anymore. As for desserts, etc, Iwas nnever a big sweets or dessert person, but Ijust rat even less sweets now.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat Feb 25 20:51:45 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 25 14:58:56 2017.* Post your macros.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat Feb 25 20:52:17 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Feb 25 20:37:29 2017.* Grass fed is better.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat Feb 25 20:53:19 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Feb 25 20:41:18 2017.* Oh. Yes. No added sugar. Just what you get in fruit and veggies.
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Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Sat Feb 25 20:53:41 2017, in response to Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Feb 25 08:59:40 2017.* BUMP
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by AlM* on Sat Feb 25 20:55:29 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 25 20:51:45 2017.* I don't even know what you're talking about. The only macros I have are the ones that run some of my spreadsheets at work.
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Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax
Posted by AlM* on Sat Feb 25 20:56:43 2017, in response to Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Feb 25 20:53:41 2017.* What kind of a response would you like? Yeah, Chicago has it too. It's 2/3 the size of Philly's.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat Feb 25 21:02:09 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 25 20:55:29 2017.* macros are protein, fat, carbs. Would be interesting to see yours to see why you crave sugar. My macros are Fat 110 990 cal Carbs 150 600 cal Protein 75 300 cal So 1,900 cals let's see. Fat is my main energy source.
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Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Sat Feb 25 21:02:41 2017, in response to Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 25 20:56:43 2017.* I thought Chicago was bigger.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by AlM* on Sat Feb 25 21:06:47 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 25 21:02:09 2017.* As I said, I don't track my calories.
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Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax
Posted by AlM* on Sat Feb 25 21:07:29 2017, in response to Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Feb 25 21:02:41 2017.* No, Chicago is 1 cent per ounce (according to the article you linked to); Philly is 1.5 cents.
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Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sat Feb 25 21:10:39 2017, in response to Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 25 21:07:29 2017.* they should tax by the amount of added sugar instead of per oz. Sugar is only part of the problem. Grains and ISO's are not good.
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Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax
Posted by ChicagoMotorman* on Sat Feb 25 21:18:14 2017, in response to Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 25 21:07:29 2017.* Oh. I thought you meant population. Regardless, it's a stupid nanny tax.
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Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax
Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com* on Sun Feb 26 00:33:21 2017, in response to Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Feb 25 20:53:41 2017.* ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
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Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax
Posted by Chicagomotorman* on Sun Feb 26 01:07:30 2017, in response to Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Feb 26 00:33:21 2017.* Fuck you
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Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax
Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com* on Sun Feb 26 01:15:17 2017, in response to Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun Feb 26 01:07:30 2017.* no way iam not a faggot
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Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax
Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com* on Sun Feb 26 01:15:55 2017, in response to Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax, posted by Chicagomotorman on Sun Feb 26 01:07:30 2017.* no way ! i am not a faggot
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Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Feb 26 01:59:33 2017, in response to Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Feb 26 01:15:17 2017.* how come you did not THREAD about Ali today?
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Feb 26 03:50:46 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by AlM on Sat Feb 25 21:06:47 2017.* you're bitchy tonight. I'm surprised you didn't thread about #fakenews and the fake Swedish guy on Fox.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by AlM* on Sun Feb 26 06:47:42 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 26 03:50:46 2017.* I'm just telling you the facts. I don't know about the fake Swedish guy on Fox. Did you know that in Sweden, where no crimes were ever committed before the refugees were allowed in, Malmo has a murder rate almost as high as NYC's?
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by GP38/R42 Chris* on Sun Feb 26 12:07:13 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 25 20:53:19 2017.* I do eat some sweet things, but drinks especially, once you stop drinking sugary drinks, it seems so strong when you have it, that I just can't drink it anymore.
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Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax
Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com* on Sun Feb 26 13:13:00 2017, in response to Re: Philly And Cook County Soda Tax, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 26 01:59:33 2017.* ok i was gonna
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Feb 26 13:51:51 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by AlM on Sun Feb 26 06:47:42 2017.* Did you know that in Sweden, where no crimes were ever committed before the refugees Your petulance is humorous to me. Thanks for posting here. Ok. Don't post your macros. I was just curious because you said you still crave sugar.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by Henry R32 #3730* on Sun Feb 26 21:19:19 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 25 20:52:17 2017.* Unbelievably better. I used to think Canada, Australia, New Zealand made better burgers. Now I realize it's just the grass fed free range cattle that makes it tasty all on its own. Elevation Burger opened up shop here, and I am pretty sure it is best chain burger in the world (not fast food as they're made to order). Don't worry I only align with hippie types when the resulting food is genuinely better, which in the case of beef it most certainly is.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Feb 26 22:05:00 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 26 21:19:19 2017.* Yeah. If you ever go to Trader Joe's, their frozen grass fed ground beef is from New Zealand or Australia. I had grass-fed ground beef tonight but it was local. The taste is better. The texture even better. When I eat grass-fed beef I don't even need toothpicks to get the pieces out like you would at steak house.
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Re: Philly Soda Tax
Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Feb 26 22:12:36 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by LuchAAA on Sun Feb 26 22:05:00 2017.* If you ever go to Trader Joe's, their frozen grass fed ground beef is from New Zealand or Australia They're owned by Aldi North. If they aren't using Irish grass-fed beef, they sure are prejudiced, ain't they.
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Posted by LuchAAA* on Sun Feb 26 22:50:28 2017, in response to Re: Philly Soda Tax, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 26 22:12:36 2017.* They're owned by Aldi North. If they aren't using Irish grass-fed beef, they sure are prejudiced, ain't they. Oh. Well I read labels. I always look for country of origin. I notice where food comes from. I avoid Chinese products like Asparagus.
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Philly Soda Tax—Pepsi Laying off 80-100 Positions in Philly Area
Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Mar 1 19:18:38 2017, in response to Philly Soda Tax, posted by LuchAAA on Sat Feb 25 00:49:23 2017.* Philadelphia Inquirer Pepsi to lay off 80 to 100, blames soda tax By Julia Terruso, Staff Writer Updated: MARCH 1, 2017 — 3:49 PM EST With sales slumping because of the new Philadelphia sweetened beverage tax, Pepsi Bottling Group said Wednesday that it will lay off 80 to 100 workers at three distribution plants that serve the city. The company, which employs 423 people in the city, sent out notices Wednesday and said the layoffs would be spread over the next few months. The layoffs come in response to the beverage tax, which has cut sales by 40 percent in the city, Pepsi spokesman Dave DeCecco said. “Unfortunately, after careful consideration of the economic realities created by the recently enacted beverage tax, we have been forced to give notice that we intend to eliminate 80 to 100 positions, including frontline and supervisory roles,” DeCecco said. The Kenney administration lambasted the news, pointing to Pepsi's overall profits and the benefits of the expanded pre-K program that the 1.5-cent-per-ounce tax funds. As of this week, the program has created 251 jobs in the city, mostly full-time pre-K teaching positions, the city said. “The soda industry sunk to a new low today,” city spokeswoman Lauren Hitt said. “They are literally holding hostage the jobs of hard-working people in their battle to overturn the tax. Pepsi reported nearly $35 billion in gross income and $6 billion in profit last year.… The idea that they can afford to do that but ‘must lay off workers’ should make every Philadelphian very skeptical of whether these layoffs are actually due to the tax.” The layoffs will occur at plants in North Philadelphia, South Philadelphia, and Wilmington. The plants are run as independent businesses required to report profits and losses to the company. Outside of the North Philadelphia plant Wednesday, Ed Langdon, a 40-year employee who shuttles products between warehouses, said the cuts are the most drastic he's seen in his time at Pepsi. Langdon, whose job is safe, said workers have been told the plant will decrease production of jugs of iced tea and canned soda. "It's managers, it's drivers, it's people who go out and put the soda on the shelf. It's all across the board. It's everybody. I was sick last night when I heard," Langdon said. Langdon said the writing was on the wall: Some colleagues who are paid on commission were seeing drastic cuts in weekly pay. "The trucks are going out and they're coming back with the soda on it," he said. "No one's buying it. It's just not happening." Minutes after news of layoffs broke, the city sent out a release announcing that its pre-K program has created 191 teaching positions and 60 support-staff jobs. The average pay for the positions, more than half of which are full time, is $14.72 an hour. The layoff announcement follows reports from bottlers and supermarkets of steep beverage sale declines since the tax went into effect in January. Last month, Canada Dry Delaware Valley said it would lay off 35 people due to declining sales. Jeff Brown, who owns six ShopRite stores in the city, said he’s had to slash employee hours and believes as many as 300 jobs could be cut. DeCecco said the Pepsi jobs would be restored if the tax — currently under appeal and awaiting an April hearing — is struck down in court. The city has pointed to higher-than-expected revenue numbers in the first month of collection to argue the industry could be exaggerating sales declines in an attempt to prevent the enactment of similar taxes in other cities or to gain a favorable outcome in court. DeCecco said there was nothing political about the layoff announcement. “This isn't something we take lightly or want to do, and we are committed to working with our employees and the union to treat impacted individuals with the care and dignity they deserve,” he said. Anthony Campisi, a spokesman for a coalition of retailers, bottlers, and unions opposed to the tax, said it was unfair for the city to blame the companies for the job loss. “It’s the mayor who’s to blame for the economic and human impact of the tax,” Campisi said. “And its offensive to blame the impact on Philadelphia businesses that are no longer sustainable because of it." Danny Grace, secretary-treasurer for Teamsters Local 830, which represents many of the employees affected, said in a statement: “Our worst fears have been realized today. … This terrible news, although not surprising, is particularly disastrous for the members of Teamsters Local 830, who rely on a strong soda industry for their livelihoods.”
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Re: Philly Soda Tax—Pepsi Laying off 80-100 Positions in Philly Area
Posted by orange blossom special* on Sun Mar 5 11:44:02 2017, in response to Philly Soda Tax—Pepsi Laying off 80-100 Positions in Philly Area, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 1 19:18:38 2017.* I wrote about some of this in a recent doctorial thesis, and I expect like everything they do in Philadelphia, these so called 261 "teaching" jobs will be threatened in the future. But I didn't expect him to pay these "teachers" BELOW the living wage of $15/hour! Secondly, what is a "mostly full-time pre-K teaching positions". Why are they called teachers? And what will they tax next for the new pre-pre-k programs?
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