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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 30 10:20:29 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Nov 30 01:24:35 2015. That's an oxymoron. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 30 10:23:36 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by TonyG on Mon Nov 30 01:31:41 2015. If I was living where you're living. I would say, thank you Lord for allowing me to live in the county that has this great man as my sheriff.
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Posted by TonyG on Mon Nov 30 10:27:46 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 30 10:23:36 2015. There's nothing great about Joe Arpaio. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 30 10:36:33 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by TonyG on Mon Nov 30 10:27:46 2015.  There is nothing great about this guy. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 30 10:38:46 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 30 10:17:31 2015. While everything you say is true, your plan is underfunded and depends on the taxpayers of Illinois to pay your benefits. If Illinois chose to stop making contributions to the plan, your benefits might run out before you die. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 30 10:50:28 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 30 10:20:29 2015. It was the name of a Canadian political party. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 30 10:50:43 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by AlM on Mon Nov 30 10:38:46 2015. 
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 30 10:51:07 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 30 10:23:36 2015. If you were living where he’s living. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 30 10:52:42 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by TonyG on Mon Nov 30 10:27:46 2015. IAWTP! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 30 10:57:03 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Nov 30 10:50:28 2015. I never knew that. Thank you for the education. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Nov 30 11:04:23 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by TonyG on Mon Nov 30 09:47:17 2015. This I want to hear. Last I looked, one either is or isn't. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Nov 30 11:19:47 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 30 07:33:40 2015. Interesting article in the Times yesterday, went into their new 1%er governor wants to scrap all the contracts and redo the entire pension system in IL, paying a LOT less out.Protip for Chicagemotorman: a contract is only as good as the paper its written on. These guys know how to blow it up. Yes, it IS economic terrorism. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 30 11:47:45 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by TonyG on Mon Nov 30 09:47:17 2015. common law marriages or civil unions/domestic partnerships are examples of a "kind of married". |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 30 11:51:50 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 30 10:18:55 2015. When Governor Rauner stops plowing taxpayer money into your plan, you become homeless and starve. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 30 11:56:18 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon Nov 30 10:23:36 2015. If you were living where he's living, you'd have to work at your former job well into your 60's and then get peanuts when you retire. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Nov 30 12:05:49 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 30 11:56:18 2015. Perhaps. But I still think his sheriff us fantasic. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Nov 30 12:08:26 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 30 11:56:18 2015. Perhaps. But I still think his sheriff is fantasic. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Nov 30 12:09:18 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 30 11:51:50 2015. Do you know how to read? |
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Posted by TonyG on Mon Nov 30 12:26:26 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by SMAZ on Mon Nov 30 11:47:45 2015. Well, that doesn't apply in my case. |
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Posted by AlM on Mon Nov 30 12:49:15 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon Nov 30 12:09:18 2015. Of course he does. He read my post, which explains the situation better than your does. |
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Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 30 14:22:53 2015, in response to Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by TonyG on Sun Nov 29 21:16:49 2015. "Stimulus" already tried and failed. How about getting rid of the highest corporate tax rate on the planet for starters? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 30 14:25:06 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America?, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 30 14:22:53 2015. PS. "America" does not necessarily mean the USA. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 30 16:35:21 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by TonyG on Mon Nov 30 10:13:21 2015. Sadly, seems that most voters ARE. :( |
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Posted by TonyG on Mon Nov 30 17:25:16 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 30 16:35:21 2015. A good buddy of mine has faith in the voters next year.I don't have as much. I hope he's right and I'm wrong. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 30 17:37:27 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by TonyG on Mon Nov 30 17:25:16 2015. I'll say same here. I know we're pretty good here, but there's still the red states to worry about. Seems the crazier the republicans get, the more hopped up THEY get. |
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Posted by TonyG on Mon Nov 30 18:16:40 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 30 17:37:27 2015. I live in a red state. That's why I'm worried.It seems the people here just don't get it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 30 18:24:22 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by TonyG on Mon Nov 30 18:16:40 2015. They just need to see a little more of who they're voting for and what ELSE it means. :) |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Nov 30 20:28:00 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by TonyG on Mon Nov 30 18:16:40 2015. Maybe it's you who just doesn't get it. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Dec 1 02:02:38 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by mtk52983 on Mon Nov 30 07:33:40 2015. I think all CTA retirees should have their pensions revoked and if they were too dumb to invest in IRA, 401(k), etc. too bad so said. As a taxpayer why should Illinois residents have to pay for those capable of working but voluntarily choose not to and want to sit at home on their computers living on their government handout?Wow this is a pretty stupid statement... pensions are part of the compensation package, not a 'handout'. When people begin working *anywhere* that is part of the consideration to work there versus somewhere else - everyone wants to know they will be taken care of in retirement. I work for New York State precisely because there is a pension... it's also the biggest tether keeping me from seeking out better wages in the private sector. A quick look at indeed.com indicates I am sacrificing over 23k/yr to work here (not to mention 6% of what I do get paid goes into the pension system). The *moment* that pension is threatened, the government has no competitive advantage to attract talent, and anyone with half a brain would jump ship for the private sector. Which means, the only people left working in government will be the ones with less than half a brain who couldn't hack it anywhere else (and believe me, there's no shortage of those). |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Dec 1 06:07:43 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Dec 1 02:02:38 2015. I work for New York State precisely because there is a pensionThe irony is that as a matter of public policy, I'd probably *ban* any defined benefit plan whether public or private as they're unsustainable, and I'd much rather pay state workers upfront today and hand out very, very generous matches into a 403b than deal with the actuarial costs of providing for a pension in the future. Hell, just even moving to a hybrid system like FERS would be more beneficial in the long run. Selkirk will argue that the state can go after the rich, but there's only so much one can tax, and given then increase of what the pensions have clawed from existing revenues, I'd much rather use high taxes for the high provision of service. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 1 06:47:09 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Dec 1 06:07:43 2015. Actually, I wouldn't argue that. However, a contract is a contract and should be enforceable. After all, folks were paying 28% for a mortgage and if they got foreclosed, they didn't get off the hook for signing up for usury. Perhaps if people paid attention to what their politicos actually DO, rather than the bullshit they release to the media, we wouldn't have been there in the first place.But a contract IS a contract, pay up or die. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Dec 1 06:49:21 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by R2ChinaTown on Mon Nov 30 08:04:32 2015. Bump |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Dec 1 06:52:42 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 1 06:47:09 2015. And the Christmas trees are along the Nile. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 1 06:57:53 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Dec 1 06:52:42 2015. Keep voting for this. When YOU get to 67 or later, there won't be shit for you. Happy yet? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 1 06:58:43 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Dec 1 06:49:21 2015. I don't do bumps. You were ignored for a reason, and you can outbump the turtle if that pleases you, but no soup for you. |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Dec 1 07:37:07 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 1 06:57:53 2015. When I turn 67 whete will you be? Happy, yes! |
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Posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Dec 1 07:38:55 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 1 06:58:43 2015. I already knew the answer. More pf your over inflated ego at work. Off to work, prole. |
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Posted by TonyG on Tue Dec 1 08:44:58 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Dec 1 02:02:38 2015. That's what is ALREADY happening in almost all of the "red" states today.It's also a wonderful excuse for the Republican politicians to discuss how awful the state government operates. If they chase away the talent, what's left is actually an awful state government. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 1 16:53:29 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by R2ChinaTown on Tue Dec 1 07:37:07 2015. Probably still kicking. :)
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 1 17:13:22 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by TonyG on Tue Dec 1 08:44:58 2015. They insist that government can never work, then they get elected and PROVE it. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Dec 1 19:05:32 2015, in response to Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by TonyG on Sun Nov 29 21:16:49 2015. There's still something left to rebuild after Obama did a trillion dollars? Didn't you see all of the highway work out there?"One of the best ways to "Make America Great Again" is actually to invest in America:" Yes, and to invest in America, you must seize all the assets from union pension funds and have the gov't invest that money... |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Dec 1 20:44:40 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Dec 1 06:07:43 2015. I would agree if they manage the pension fund stupidly... NY's OSC actually does a pretty good job. The economic downturn which had municipalities whining that their contributions were higher only lasted a few years and the fund is back to running a surplus... and now that they've doubled the employee contribution rate, eliminated the free ride after 10 years, and reworked the final average salary calculation to almost guarantee a below average result (forget about pension padding): it would take a collossal financial meltdown for my generation of employees to cost anything to the taxpayer. |
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Posted by TonyG on Tue Dec 1 20:53:33 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 1 17:13:22 2015. Exactly. Meanwhile they let the Koch brothers and their ilk do whatever they want at the expense of everyone else. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 1 21:10:16 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by TonyG on Tue Dec 1 20:53:33 2015. Keep an eye on Yahoo in the coming days. They're going to ditch Yahoo and become a Chinese mega-retailer here so the scuttlebutt goes. |
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Posted by TonyG on Tue Dec 1 22:36:19 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 1 21:10:16 2015. Yikes. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 1 22:57:26 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by TonyG on Tue Dec 1 22:36:19 2015. And ... published! :)http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/12/02/us-yahoo-divestiture-idUSKBN0TL01X20151202?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews |
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Posted by TonyG on Tue Dec 1 23:11:39 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 1 22:57:26 2015. I've not been impressed with the quality of what I've found on Alibaba. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 1 23:15:54 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by TonyG on Tue Dec 1 23:11:39 2015. Since most electronics comes from over there, I've been perpetually amused by the crap they're selling, even more so with their really bad engrish in describing it. But then again, in the 1950's and 1960's, Japan was known for making the most gawd-awful crap and look at them now. The Chinese will eventually catch up.People don't buy quality anymore, they buy cheap with high markups. That's exactly what Alibaba has to offer, cutting out Target and Walmart as the middlemen and selling direct. Just a matter of time thanks to all that "world trade" before we become what they were. :( Unless we start rebuilding America and teaching our kids to do better than hunting for the hamburger symbol on a cash register. |
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Posted by TonyG on Tue Dec 1 23:21:34 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Dec 1 23:15:54 2015. The GOP doesn't want to invest in America though.They're systemically destroying all of the features that allowed America to be what it was in the 1940s - 1975. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Dec 1 23:45:08 2015, in response to Re: Hillary Wants to Invest in $275 Billion in America, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Dec 1 19:05:32 2015. They should seize the money from the rich capitalists first. Leave the retirement savings of working people alone. The rich stole a LOT the past decade. Time to get it back. |
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