Home · Maps · About

Home > OTChat

[ Post a New Response | Return to the Index ]

(1271523)

view threaded

OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!)

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 10 22:35:18 2015

fiogf49gjkf0d
PDF Report

Numberholders Age 112 or Older Who Did Not Have a Death Entry on the Numident

Office of Audit Report Summary
March 2015

Objective

Our objective was to determine whether the Social Security Administration (SSA) had controls in place to annotate death information on the Numident records of numberholders who exceeded maximum reasonable life expectancies.

Background

We obtained information indicating a man opened bank accounts using several different Social Security numbers (SSN). SSA records indicated two of the SSNs belonged to numberholders born in 1869 and 1893, respectively. SSA’s Numident indicated both numberholders were alive. As a result, neither of these SSNs appeared in the Death Master File.

In September 2013, a New York resident, believed to be the world’s oldest living man, died at age 112. According to the Gerontology Research Group, as of October 2013, only 35 known living individuals worldwide had reached age 112.

We obtained Numident data that identified approximately 6.5 million numberholders born before June 16, 1901 who did not have a date of death on their record.

Findings

SSA did not have controls in place to annotate death information on the Numident records of numberholders who exceeded maximum reasonable life expectancies and were likely deceased. To illustrate, we identified approximately 6.5 million numberholders age 112 or older who did not have death information on the Numident.
  • SSA issued approximately 6.4 million of the SSNs to process benefit claims filed before March 1972, including 48,746 SSNs issued to process death claims.

  • SSA had input dates of death on approximately 1.4 million non-beneficiaries’ payment records but had not recorded the death information on the Numident.

  • SSA had terminated payments and input dates of death on 410,074 beneficiaries’ payment records but had not recorded the death information on the Numident.
We also determined that thousands of the SSNs could have been used to commit identity fraud.
  • For Tax Years 2006 through 2011, SSA received reports that individuals using 66,920 SSNs had approximately $3.1 billion in wages, tips, and self-employment income. SSA transferred the earnings to the Earnings Suspense File because the employees’ or self-employed individuals’ names on the earnings reports did not match the numberholders’ names.

  • During Calendar Years 2008 through 2011, employers made 4,024 E-Verify inquiries using 3,873 SSNs belonging to numberholders born before June 16, 1901.
Resolving these discrepancies will improve the accuracy and completeness of the Death Master File and help prevent future misuse of these SSNs.

Recommendations

We made four recommendations for corrective action. SSA agreed with two and disagreed with two.


Post a New Response

(1271808)

view threaded

Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!)

Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Mar 11 21:02:45 2015, in response to OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 10 22:35:18 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Live long and phosphor !

Bill Newkirk

Post a New Response

(1271829)

view threaded

Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!)

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 11 22:33:59 2015, in response to Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!), posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Mar 11 21:02:45 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
If they were Vulcans, it'd be at least believable that they were alive.

Post a New Response

(1272384)

view threaded

Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 14 12:20:09 2015, in response to OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 10 22:35:18 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
The Associated Press suddenly discovered this scary fact.

Mar 14, 2015 10:10 AM EDT

Say what? Social Security data says 6.5M in US reach age 112

By Stephen Ohlemacher
Associated Press
Americans are getting older, but not this old: Social Security records show that 6.5 million people in the U.S. have reached the ripe old age of 112.

In reality, only few could possibly be alive. As of last fall, there were only 42 people known to be that old in the entire world.

But Social Security does not have death records for millions of these people, with the oldest born in 1869, according to a report by the agency's inspector general.

Only 13 of the people are still getting Social Security benefits, the report said. But for others, their Social Security numbers are still active, so a number could be used to report wages, open bank accounts, obtain credit cards or claim fraudulent tax refunds.

"That is a real problem," said Sen. Ron Johnson, R-Wis. "When you have a fake Social Security number, that's what allows you to fraudulently do all kinds things, claim things like the earned income tax credit or other tax benefits."

Johnson is chairman of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, which plans a hearing Monday on problems with death records maintained by the Social Security Administration.

The agency said it is working to improve the accuracy of its death records. But it would be costly and time-consuming to update 6.5 million files that were generated decades ago, when the agency used paper records, said Sean Brune, a senior adviser to the agency's deputy commissioner for budget, finance, quality and management.

"The records in this review are extremely old, decades-old, and unreliable," Brune said.

The internal watchdog's report does not document any fraudulent or improper payments to people using these Social Security numbers. But it raises red flags that it could be happening.

For example, nearly 67,000 of the Social Security numbers were used to report more than $3 billion in wages, tips and self-employment income from 2006 to 2011, according to the report. One Social Security number was used 613 different times. An additional 194 numbers were used at least 50 times each.

People in the country illegally often use fake or stolen Social Security numbers to get jobs and report wages, as do other people who do not want to be found by the government. Thieves use stolen Social Security numbers to claim fraudulent tax refunds.

The IRS estimated it paid out $5.8 billion in fraudulent tax refunds in 2013 because of identity theft.
The head of the Justice Department's tax division described how it's done at a recent congressional hearing.

"The plan is frighteningly simple — steal Social Security numbers, file tax returns showing a false refund claim, and then have the refunds electronically deposited or sent to an address where the offender can access the refund checks," said acting Assistant Attorney General Caroline Ciraolo.

In some cases, she said, false tax returns are filed using Social Security numbers of deceased taxpayers or others who are not required to file.

The Social Security Administration generates a list of dead people to help public agencies and private companies know when Social Security numbers are no longer valid for use. The list is called the Death Master File, which includes the name, Social Security number, date of birth and date of death for people who have died.

The list is widely used by employers, financial firms, credit reporting agencies and security firms. Federal agencies and state and local governments rely on it to police benefit payments.

But none of the 6.5 million people cited by the inspector general's report was on the list. The audit analyzed records as of 2013, looking for people with birth dates before 1901.

President Franklin D. Roosevelt signed the Social Security Act in 1935, and the first old-age monthly benefit check was paid in 1940.

Many of the people cited in the inspector general's report never received benefits, though they were assigned Social Security numbers so spouses and children could receive them, presumably after they died.

The agency says it has corrected death information in more than 200,000 records. But fixing the entire list would be costly and time-consuming because Social Security needs proof that a person is dead to add them to the death list, said Brune, the agency official.

Brune noted that the inspector general's report did not verify that any of the 6.5 million people are actually dead. Instead, the report assumed they are dead because of their advanced age.

"We can't post information to our records based on presumption," Brune said. "We post information to our records based on evidence, and in this case it would be evidence of a death certificate."

"Some of those records may not even exist," Brune added.

Nearly all the Social Security numbers are from paper records generated before the agency started using electronic records in 1972, Brune said. Many of the records contain errors, with multiple birthdates and bits of information about different family members.

"We did transcribe paper records into the electronic system and over time that information's been purified," Brune said.

"But our focus right now is to make sure our data is as accurate and complete as it can be for our current program purpose," said Brune. "Right now, we're focused on making sure we're paying beneficiaries properly, and that's how we're investing our resources at this time."


Post a New Response

(1272796)

view threaded

Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!)

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 16 22:07:16 2015, in response to Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!), posted by Olog-hai on Sat Mar 14 12:20:09 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Libs are fine with fraudulent SS#s that will mean nothing for them at retirement age?

Post a New Response

(1272805)

view threaded

Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 16 22:49:12 2015, in response to Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 16 22:07:16 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Every single person who failed to notify Social Security that they're dead should be arrested and tossed in jail. :)

Post a New Response

(1272810)

view threaded

Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!)

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Mon Mar 16 23:24:08 2015, in response to Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!), posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 16 22:49:12 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
lol

Post a New Response

(1272817)

view threaded

Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!)

Posted by SMAZ on Tue Mar 17 00:53:37 2015, in response to Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!), posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Mar 16 22:49:12 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
HAHAHA!!!

Post a New Response

(1272821)

view threaded

Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!)

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 17 01:40:08 2015, in response to Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!), posted by Olog-hai on Mon Mar 16 22:07:16 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Guess they are. Oh well; no retirement for them.

Post a New Response

(1272823)

view threaded

Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 17 01:42:06 2015, in response to Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 17 01:40:08 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Are you kidding? With all those invalid people paying social security taxes into the system, my paycheck just went up! :)

Post a New Response

(1272824)

view threaded

Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 17 02:15:48 2015, in response to Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!), posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 17 01:42:06 2015.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Social security is a funny animal. When you actually go to claim, they want all sorts of proff. And proving that you're 112? Not even a Florida doctor's willing to sign off on THAT shit. :)

Post a New Response

(2014904)

view threaded

Re: OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!)

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 23 21:56:15 2025, in response to OIG finds 6½ million active Social Security numbers for people aged 112 and over(!), posted by Olog-hai on Tue Mar 10 22:35:18 2015.

And to think that the liberal media freaks out when DOGE finds way, way more than this number.

Post a New Response


[ Return to the Message Index ]