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Posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 18 22:41:21 2014 I just got a letter from my insurance company that says my decongestant was denied on the grounds that it isn't "medically necessary." As determined by an accountant who has no medical credentials, but doesn't want to pay for something that isn't literally life or death.And because Obama worked so diligently to prevent health care reform from being passed when the Democrats were elected in 2008 with a mandate to do precisely that, it means I must remain congested beyond the ability of any over the counter drugs to alleviate until my sinuses spontaneously renovate themselves or we elect enough Warren Democrats to actually pass health care reform. Persons who have claimed Obama is a liberal may now line up on the extreme right to offer retractions and apologies. Not that they will. Dunning-Kruger and all that. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Thu Sep 18 22:53:24 2014, in response to Thank You, Obama, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 18 22:41:21 2014. I just got a letter from my insurance company that says my decongestant was denied on the grounds that it isn't "medically necessary." As determined by an accountant who has no medical credentials, but doesn't want to pay for something that isn't literally life or death.That type of thing will happen under any healthcare system. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 18 23:18:04 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by Dand124 on Thu Sep 18 22:53:24 2014. Less so in a health care system that's about health care rather than profit. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 19 00:52:07 2014, in response to Thank You, Obama, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 18 22:41:21 2014. Welcome to the "Heritage Foundation" compromise which was the starting point of compromising further on letting the likes of United Hellcare and the rest from scuttling a decent possibility and turning it into a FURTHER compromise that made even Romneycare look good. :(I'd talk to your physician and see if they can write a letter of need for you on that case. MIGHT help, might not. Insurance companies will bend if the doctor is willing to take enough shit from them for writing it in the first place. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 19 01:47:05 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 19 00:52:07 2014. This is after my doctor told them it was necessary, gave them a preauthorisation thing and then sent them lots of paperwork to justify it. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 19 02:00:32 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 19 01:47:05 2014. United Hellcare. Right? :( |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 19 02:30:35 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 19 02:00:32 2014. Yep. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 19 02:34:47 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 19 02:30:35 2014. Now why isn't that a surprise? :(They absolutely blow goats. Damned near killed both of us. :( |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 19 03:00:42 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Sep 19 02:34:47 2014. Important note for republitards: LONG before Obamacare. In fact, the reason FOR Obamacare was to stop fucktards like United Hellcare, and yet they still exist. Talk about fucking "death panels", THEY'RE the real deal. And they're STILL trying to be. :( |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Sep 19 08:18:44 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 18 23:18:04 2014. Or one that regulates prescription drug prices. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Sep 19 08:20:09 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by bingbong on Fri Sep 19 08:18:44 2014. Yeah, even without being a true single payer system, Medicare was close enough that the wingnuts had to specifically ban it from negotiating drug prices lest everyone figure out the liberals were right (again). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 19 08:47:41 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 18 23:18:04 2014. Every healthcare system would be about profit, since in the case of single payer, the government would cut the budget of the single payer agency, forcing them to try to cut corners in a way that's not medically useful.It would still be better though. At least I can vote for someone to represent me on the federal government's board of directors (Congress). |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Sep 19 08:55:49 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 19 08:47:41 2014. I would be careful there. THIS "government" would harmfully cut a national healthcare budget. Not every government would. I doubt the Congress in 2009-2010 would have. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 19 09:01:01 2014, in response to Thank You, Obama, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 18 22:41:21 2014. it means I must remain congested beyond the ability of any over the counter drugs to alleviate until my sinuses spontaneously renovate themselves or we elect enough Warren Democrats to actually pass health care reform.You forgot the option of "taking some responsibility for your damn self and just laying out the money and buying the drug at full price!" |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 19 09:01:19 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by bingbong on Fri Sep 19 08:55:49 2014. LOL! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Sep 19 09:07:26 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 19 09:01:01 2014. It's amazing the attitude that people just think it's all just coming to them. They are "entitled" to it. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Sep 19 09:08:23 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 19 09:01:01 2014. That's only fair if one considers what the price for the same drug is elsewhere, like Canada, which is a near economic competitor in GDP per capita. Why should he be financially punished because the current government will not perform necessary work in regulating the prescription drug market? I doubt he voted for any of the morons now in office. I doubt he ever asked for hayfever. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Sep 19 09:09:05 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Sep 19 09:07:26 2014. LOL! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 19 09:11:18 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Sep 19 09:07:26 2014. No, that's not what I'm saying. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 19 09:13:11 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by bingbong on Fri Sep 19 09:08:23 2014. That's only fair if one considers what the price for the same drug is elsewhere, like CanadaFalse. My statement was a fair statement without your condition placed upon it. I doubt he voted for any of the morons now in office.Irrelevant. I doubt he ever asked for hayfever.Irrelevant. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 19 09:56:37 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 19 09:01:01 2014. Yes, my wife and I have to do that from time to time under our private non-ObamaCare health insurance. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 19 12:04:59 2014, in response to Thank You, Obama, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 18 22:41:21 2014. Persons who have claimed Obama is a liberal. . . are vindicated, because that is the very thing they said would happen, but stupes like you refuse to listen. Those "on the right" want a free-market healthcare system. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 19 12:10:06 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 19 09:01:01 2014. That full price would be cheaper if the government would get out of healthcare altogether. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Sep 19 14:25:58 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 19 09:01:19 2014. Can't deal with the truth, stay out of the conversation. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Sep 19 15:05:50 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 19 09:13:11 2014. No it is not. In every other (so it seems) developed nation on earth the price of prescription drugs is far more reasonable than it is here. Most of these drug companies are also based outside of the US (and likely receive any and all research subsidies commensurate with) to begin with, so it's not an issue beyond sheer profiteering in an unregulated market.It is therefore not fair to expect anyone to pay the inflated US price for a drug that was neither likely to have been developed nor likely manufactured here. Do bear in mind that we do not (nor have any right to know) the exact drug in question here. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Sep 19 15:07:31 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 19 12:10:06 2014. LOL! As if. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Sep 19 15:23:53 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by bingbong on Fri Sep 19 14:25:58 2014. If we want to get rid of Terrapin Station please don't answer him!! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Sep 19 16:31:57 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by Dan Lawrence on Fri Sep 19 15:23:53 2014. Maybe she doesn't want to get rid of me. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Sep 19 16:33:16 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by bingbong on Fri Sep 19 14:25:58 2014. Had nothing to do with the truth. Had to do with your misunderstanding of what he said. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Sep 19 16:37:33 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by bingbong on Fri Sep 19 15:05:50 2014. Yes it is. I didn't say he HAD to pay for it. I just said he left out one option, which happens to be the obvious option. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Sep 19 18:17:19 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Sep 19 09:01:01 2014. I was about to post the same thing. Scary that me and T.S. are thinking alike. (and someone wants to ban him) |
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Posted by alm on Fri Sep 19 19:21:19 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Sep 19 09:07:26 2014. If you pay enough for your health insurance you may very well be entitled to pescriptions at a very low cost. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 19:25:48 2014, in response to Thank You, Obama, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 18 22:41:21 2014. Yes, you should thank Obama. Your health plan is much better than it was before Obamacare. Unfortunately, it is still run by an insurance company. This is because this was the only way health care reform could get through Congress. Single player is the way to go, but Obamacare is much better than the previous system. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 19 19:29:09 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 19:25:48 2014. How much has your premium gone up? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 19:32:35 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 19 19:29:09 2014. I am on Medicare. But many premiums in NY have gone down, or stayed the same. |
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Posted by alm on Fri Sep 19 19:35:56 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 19:32:35 2014. I'm on company insurance, not Obamacare. Mine has been going up steadily. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 19 20:00:04 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by italianstallion on Fri Sep 19 19:32:35 2014. My premium went up 20%. I was lucky, most went up higher. Thank you obama. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 19 20:06:19 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 19 20:00:04 2014. You have Obamacare? You don't have CTA retiree health insurance? |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 19 20:14:04 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 19 20:06:19 2014. Yes, but I still have to pay part of the premium. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Sep 19 20:15:40 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 19 20:14:04 2014. If you have CTA retiree health insurance then Obamacare doesn't affect you, even if you have to pay part of the premium. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Sep 19 20:20:42 2014, in response to Thank You, Obama, posted by Nilet on Thu Sep 18 22:41:21 2014. i have california medi-cal ''covered california'' !!works great for me |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 19 20:23:49 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 19 20:15:40 2014. obamacare effects Americans. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 19 20:28:06 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 19 20:15:40 2014. obamacare effects all Americans. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 19 20:29:40 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by AlM on Fri Sep 19 20:06:19 2014. Yes, but I still have to pay part of the premium. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Sep 19 20:44:25 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 19 20:28:06 2014. Most benefit. We can fix the problems for the minority that come a ross roadblocks or problems.First of all, it would help if ALL Americans were part of this. What about the approximate 1million texans that have no coverage because their government didn't think their lives were worth adopting a virtually FREE Medicaid expansion built into the ACA? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 19 20:58:39 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by bingbong on Fri Sep 19 20:44:25 2014. Am I supposed to be impressed? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Fri Sep 19 20:59:58 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by bingbong on Fri Sep 19 20:44:25 2014. Were you for single payer in 1964? |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Sep 20 00:06:00 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 19 20:00:04 2014. Maybe you haven't noticed, but premiums have gone up in most years, before and after Obama. Most studies done since Obamacare show that the annual rate of rise in premiums has slowed since then - that is, rates are still going up, but more slowly. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 20 00:18:55 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 19 20:29:40 2014. Not Obamacare then. Now show your appreciation to what it replaced because you're still doing it. Feel better now? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Sep 20 00:22:53 2014, in response to Re: Thank You, Obama, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Sep 19 20:23:49 2014. Yep ... and for many, the price went DOWN. Those whose states thumbed their noses at Obamacare? They're hurting, but then that's what the GOP wanted. And they're getting exactly what they voted for ... screwed. |
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