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Posted by Dave on Tue Aug 12 21:36:41 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 12 20:51:27 2014. 1. Was there a secret police operating outside the boundaries of the law, like KGB or the Gestapo?2. Was there evidence of totalitarianism? 3. Did the population serve as informants? 4. At work, did you have the right to strike? If the answer to the first three questions is No and the answer to the last question is Yes, then you did not live in a police state. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Aug 12 21:38:00 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 12 20:21:45 2014. You don't know if it was murder or if it was justified, and you're still non-responsive to my questions. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 12 21:43:15 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Dave on Tue Aug 12 21:36:41 2014. secret police ? wtf ?and the rest of your post is nuts |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 12 21:44:01 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Dave on Tue Aug 12 21:38:00 2014. according to the witnesses he was shot in cold blooded MURDER |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 12 22:14:04 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Dave on Tue Aug 12 07:42:30 2014. 
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Aug 12 22:23:27 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Dave on Tue Aug 12 19:30:59 2014. Hello I've posted here once or twice about a yr ago read the forum from time to time. If you don't mind I would like to take a crack at that question.First and foremost I would like to say I don't condone looting in anyway it is destructive and counterproductive. BA combination of young people that are angry and a helpless feeling leads to these riots. There's a feeling police to will kill people of color and continue to get off. I've begin to lose count how many times a person in a community of color lost their life to a police officer or some vigilante of course theres cries of let the investigation take place and what happens... 1. The died victim's name gets dragged into the mud and portrayed as a thug. 2. Any witnesses is instantly discredited. 3. If the person is put on trial they always get off bc the jury will always take the word of a cop and they get off. It's the same story over of course until it happens again in a couple of weeks. So yes there's anger. PS I don't condone violence or looting of any manor but honestly I don't know what the answer is anymore (back to the feeling of helplessness). |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 12 22:32:18 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Aug 12 22:14:04 2014. ?? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Aug 12 22:39:07 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 12 21:43:15 2014. Are you aware of what a true police state is? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 12 22:41:14 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Aug 12 22:39:07 2014. yes i lived it |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 12 23:09:40 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Aug 12 22:23:27 2014. I suspect that's why Luch brought up the kid "making a gang sign".Attention Racists! Lemme help you with your signs your pal, Fred |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Aug 12 23:21:32 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 12 23:09:40 2014. +1And so it begins (Back to the bullet #1 in my post) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Aug 12 23:22:44 2014, in response to Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by LuchAAA on Mon Aug 11 20:06:53 2014. Until the ballistics evidence comes back, there's not too much on which to go. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 12 23:29:54 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by FtGreeneG on Tue Aug 12 23:21:32 2014. The first thing the right does is to discredit the dead guy so that the authoritarian figure's action is made to seem sensible.your pal, Fred |
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Re: Trying to find out more ... Luch, what's a gang sign? |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 12 23:31:43 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 12 21:03:56 2014. Not to sound like streetcarman but "Eh?" What is a gang sign?your pal, Fred |
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Re: Trying to find out more ... Luch, what's a gang sign? |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Aug 12 23:52:41 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more ... Luch, what's a gang sign?, posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 12 23:31:43 2014. I don't know, ut I don't thik we need to be too concerned..... |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Aug 13 00:11:54 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 12 21:03:56 2014. You don't know what a gang sign is? |
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Re: Trying to find out more ... Luch, what's a gang sign? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 13 00:19:29 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more ... Luch, what's a gang sign?, posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 12 23:31:43 2014. Aw man ... you fail Deutsche forever, bro ... :)
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 13 00:28:39 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Easy on Wed Aug 13 00:11:54 2014. I'm pretty sure this is the "hi sign": your pal, Fred |
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Re: Trying to find out more ... Luch, what's a gang sign? |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 13 00:29:36 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more ... Luch, what's a gang sign?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 13 00:19:29 2014. I need to brush up. I'll ask my buddy Wolfgang :)your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Aug 13 00:30:23 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 13 00:28:39 2014. That was the sign for Ms. Crabtree. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 13 00:33:47 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more ... Luch, what's a gang sign?, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 13 00:29:36 2014. Prost! :) |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 13 04:04:39 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 12 23:29:54 2014. iawtp |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 07:45:21 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 13 00:28:39 2014. The He-Man's Women Hater club! |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 07:46:42 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 12 22:41:14 2014. No, you did not. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 07:47:51 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 12 19:29:09 2014. Feel free to leave any time if you don't like it here. I'll pitch in a few bucks to buy you an airline ticket. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 07:49:39 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 12 23:29:54 2014. How do you know the dead guy didn't do something that warranted the cop reacting the way he did?You don't. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Aug 13 08:16:22 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 07:49:39 2014. Your point doesn't negate Fred's point. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Wed Aug 13 09:01:03 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 12 21:03:56 2014. Probably the signs you put out in your yard.Since apparently no one has ever heard of the term "gang sign" maybe it's a code word? |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 13 09:46:53 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 07:45:21 2014. Hahaha yes!!your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 13 09:48:35 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Train Dude on Wed Aug 13 00:30:23 2014. Nah, her's was this:your pal, Spanky |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 10:33:18 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 12 21:43:15 2014. It's not nuts, it lists some of what's found in a police state. You're the one who said you lived in a police state, Salaam, not me. Can't back up your asinine statement with facts? That makes you a whiny baby.In a police state there are secret police. Think KGB and Stasi. Think of a dictatorship. Those are police states. During the period of Apartheid, the South African government maintained police state attributes. Augusto Pinochet's Chile was a police state with repression of public liberties, the elimination of political exchange, limited freedom of speech, abolishing the right to strike, and freezing wages. Were your wages frozen? Did you have the right to strike at your job? If your wages were not frozen and you had the right to strike, then you did not live in a police state. North Korea is a police state. Do you think you had it worse then they do today in North Korea? So stop whining like a baby. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 10:43:35 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 13 09:46:53 2014. I think I watched every Our Gang and Little Rascals episode dozens of times. Spanky as a baby was my favorite."Remarkable...." How the heck do they get a 3 or 4 year old to memorize all those lines? |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 10:49:17 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 12 21:44:01 2014. Witnesses are invariably unreliable.Do you even know the legal definition of murder or are you just flapping your gums to make noise? Murder in Missouri requires killing another person with malice. Given that the cop was acting under color of authority I doubt an investigation or grand jury will find malice. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 10:50:49 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 13 08:16:22 2014. If Fred was making a generalized statement, then you are correct. I was specifically addressing the Ferguson shooting. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 13 11:04:04 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 10:49:17 2014. IIRC he shot the kid eight times. That's a little beyond controlling the suspect |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 13 11:09:01 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 10:49:17 2014. Given that the cop was acting under color of authority I doubt an investigation or grand jury will find malice.Investigation by local authorities, plus FBI/DOJ. It's automatically a federal case now because the kid was black. THIW. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 13 11:34:03 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 07:49:39 2014. Like you I don't know the specifics of the interaction.But I do know what the right does is to mount a media campaign to remove the concept of "child" from the dead guy so that it's easier to eject the 'victim' and make him look more as 'perpetrator'. It's propaganda, plain and simple but it seemed to be effective in the Trayvon Martin case. Witness LuchAAA with his 'gang signs'. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 11:56:19 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 13 11:04:04 2014. You don't know. I don't know. That's what an investigation will determine. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 11:57:37 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 13 11:34:03 2014. True, just like the left invariable makes the victim out to be an innocent babe who loved his mother. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 13 12:18:40 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 11:57:37 2014. Without a rap sheet showing otherwise, he is just a kid tho.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 13 12:29:58 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 11:56:19 2014. Exactly. OTOH, it's not looking that great for the police. Multiple gushot wounds creates suspicions like no other. Just like we saw in NYC, police DO have the ability to lose it. Those that do should be forced into a severely early "retirement" among theiyr clientele. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 13 12:33:07 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 13 11:34:03 2014. Seriously. This kid was heading to college. Looks like they killed an honors student. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 13 12:38:48 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 13 12:33:07 2014. they MURDERED him in cold blood |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 13 12:39:30 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 11:56:19 2014. you mean '''coverup'' and white wash |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 13 12:40:32 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 13 11:04:04 2014. iawtp |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 13 12:51:02 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 10:49:17 2014. MURDER is what happpend here you just dont accept it |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 13 12:55:26 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 13 12:39:30 2014. The forensic autopsy report will provide plenty of facts. Does anyone know of any video or pictures of the incident? We have them in the NYC chokehold murder, any here?The more hard evidence the better this way the court doesn't have to rely on individual testimony as much. Easier to get a conviction that way. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 13 13:01:48 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by bingbong on Wed Aug 13 12:55:26 2014. there are unfortunately no videos of this MURDER by policethere are many people who saw this teenager when he was MURDERED |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 15:55:30 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 13 12:39:30 2014. How is it that you know more about what happened the the St. Louis police, FBI, the District Attorney's office, etc.? Were you sitting in the cop car when the shooting took place? You weren't? Then you have NO idea what happened. Not that this stops you from flapping your gums about it.... |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 13 16:04:49 2014, in response to Re: Trying to find out more about youth shot in suburban STL, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 13 12:51:02 2014. There's been no determination yet that it was murder. Do you typically rush to judgement before the facts are in?Yes, you do. Par for the course with you. You and those who think like you won't be happy until the cop is beaten to death with your own hands. And then afterwards you'll burn down half the stores in your neighborhood. |
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