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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri Jul 25 12:13:48 2014, in response to Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jul 25 09:41:08 2014. Israel has a facebook feed that shows just about every instance. There's a lot of other groups too. The issue is, does anyone really want to be bothered with it?Situation being, the aweful local paper prints 3 really good pieces about the problem and it's context. 3 days later a letter to the editor gets printed from "[your city here] peace federation" with the standard talking points, that doesn't seem to have any basis in reality or even the same foundation as all of those articles. The letter, probably from someone who doesn't read the paper(usually the case), comes from a parallel dimension with the usual code roads, and that's it. Classic hit and run of randomness. Things get documented, it's widely available, but in todays busy schedule, who wants to see a bunch of blond "arab" kids waiting for the director to say action when we can just look at 5 year old reused footage and get "upset". My personal view is, they picked the wrong time to do their whining fundraiser - what I want to call all Hamas escalations. Watching the entire arab spring still going on from Libya, through Egypt, and up to Iraq and even Turkey, just whining about leaflets and blowing up tunnels in Israel and ignoring the rest is an end of discussion red flag. Plain and simple. |
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Re: Israel Betrayed In PR War |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 25 12:15:56 2014, in response to Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jul 25 09:41:08 2014. Doesn't matter what evidence Israel comes up with; the media will continue to lie for the benefit of Islamonazis and other Nazis. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 25 12:17:15 2014, in response to Re: Israel Betrayed In PR War, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 25 12:15:56 2014. PS. It's Kristallnacht; "Krystallnacht" would be pronounced as if it were spelled "Krüstallnacht". |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Jul 25 12:57:44 2014, in response to Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jul 25 09:41:08 2014. right wing crap |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 25 13:23:14 2014, in response to Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jul 25 09:41:08 2014. Israel will always lose the PR War. Israel should ignore what the anti-Semites say. |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jul 25 22:35:30 2014, in response to Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jul 25 09:41:08 2014. Jews should not be living in Europe anyway.Some assert that all Diaspora Jews should return to Israel, including those now living in the USA. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 26 13:03:38 2014, in response to Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jul 25 09:41:08 2014. Jews should not be living in Europe anyway.FUCK YOU, YOU ANTISEMITIC FUCK. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 26 13:04:08 2014, in response to Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jul 25 09:41:08 2014. Unfortunately, Israel seems to be losing the PR war against Hamas.Admittedly, murdering civilians while openly calling for ethnic cleansing can be a bit hard to spin for even the most seasoned PR experts. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sat Jul 26 23:14:00 2014, in response to Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jul 25 09:41:08 2014. I think you're completely missing the point... Israel has to prove to the palestinians NOT the world that they're trying to help them out, looking for their best interests, however with blockades in place, the wall, and new settlements in the west bank that many saw as payback for Abbas blindsiding Israel last year with the UN recognition. I feel terrible for anyone in the PR department in Israel, thats a brutal job.The blockade forces Palestinians in Gaza to rely on Hamas, and you get a giant version basically of Stockholm Syndrome where because Israel isn't helping, they (palestinians) have to rely on Hamas. So it creates a cycle that wont ever end until one side concedes. As much as Israel would hate it, its in their best interests to stop the new settlements and open the borders, then let Hamas make the first error. Cause now Israel puts the ball in the PA and Hamas hands, and lets see if they can do something with it, because if they dont then Israel can say to the world "SEE!?" |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jul 26 23:21:14 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 26 13:04:08 2014. FUCK YOU, YOU ANTISEMITIC FUCK. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jul 27 08:23:12 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 25 13:23:14 2014. So everyone who disagrees with thr Israeli government is anti-Semitic? Thats a mighty broad brush to paint with. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 27 10:21:30 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jul 27 08:23:12 2014. As if I actually said that. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jul 27 10:54:46 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 27 10:21:30 2014. So then who are the anti semites that Israel should ignore? The media? The UN? Who? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 27 11:00:04 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jul 27 10:54:46 2014. The UN. Some media. Many countries. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jul 27 11:13:34 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 27 11:00:04 2014. I think its in Israel's best interests to start having an open ear to the UN. They shove off the UN way too easily, especially when criticism has been legitimate. The only reason they haven't suffered any Sanctions is due to the US. However for Israel to be far more respected in the international community it should at least SOUND like its trying to respect the UN. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 27 11:20:51 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jul 27 11:13:34 2014. The UN has had it in for Israel since Day 2. The UN is full of shit and ought to be ignored. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Jul 27 11:27:28 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jul 26 23:21:14 2014. IAWTLP |
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Posted by subfan on Sun Jul 27 12:25:13 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 26 13:04:08 2014. You've just described Hamas perfectly. Deliberately targeting Israeli civilians with rockets while calling for throwing all Jews into the sea. Yup, that about covers them.subfan |
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Posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Jul 27 12:48:05 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jul 27 11:13:34 2014. The UN has been found to be permitting the use of its facilities for the storage of terrorist weapons. They only withdrew the permission when they were caught, and they ensured that their clients got all their weapons back. They are an accessory to war crimes, and their leaders deserve to be indicted to stand trial in Jerusalem. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Sun Jul 27 12:56:39 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by subfan on Sun Jul 27 12:25:13 2014. Should have thought of it first, GREAT POST!!! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 27 12:59:27 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by subfan on Sun Jul 27 12:25:13 2014.  |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Jul 27 14:58:39 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by subfan on Sun Jul 27 12:25:13 2014. Pwn3d!!!! |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jul 27 16:46:13 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Jul 27 12:48:05 2014. Do you have any proof of such claims |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Sun Jul 27 18:23:45 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Jul 25 22:35:30 2014. I would move there if I could earn a living and speak the language. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jul 27 18:49:51 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by ClearAspect on Sun Jul 27 08:23:12 2014. Suck my dick. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jul 27 18:50:30 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Jul 27 12:48:05 2014. YAY!!!!! |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jul 27 18:51:39 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 26 13:04:08 2014. Wipe Hamas OFF the MAP. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jul 27 18:52:14 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Jul 27 12:59:27 2014. IAWTP. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jul 27 18:54:48 2014, in response to Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Jul 25 09:41:08 2014. Wake Up, Liberals. Protective Edge is good for you. If you thing Hobby Lobby is bad, try Dhimmitude. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jul 27 18:55:41 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Nilet on Sat Jul 26 13:04:08 2014. iawtp |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 27 19:36:07 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jul 27 18:55:41 2014. Of course you would. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jul 27 19:40:02 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 27 19:36:07 2014. Nilet was right ! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 27 19:42:24 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jul 27 19:40:02 2014. Nilet is never right. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jul 27 19:50:50 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 27 19:42:24 2014. wanna bet ? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 27 19:55:23 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Jul 27 19:50:50 2014. Yes |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 27 20:23:22 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Jul 27 14:58:39 2014.  Rook3d!!! |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 27 20:23:25 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by subfan on Sun Jul 27 12:25:13 2014. You've just described Israel perfectly. Deliberately targeting Palestinian civilians with rockets while calling for throwing all Palestinians into some ill-defined "elsewhere" because openly calling for genocide might threaten American aid. Yup, that about covers them. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 27 20:23:41 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Jeff Rosen on Sat Jul 26 23:21:14 2014. See, that doesn't actually work.Saying Jews should be banned from a place: Antisemitic. Saying Jews should not ban others from a place: Not antisemitic. Saying Jews should not commit genocide: Definitely not antisemitic. Please make sure you understand the concept before attempting to ironic echo again. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 27 20:24:05 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Jul 27 18:51:39 2014. And all the civilians? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 27 20:24:08 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 27 19:42:24 2014. Oh please. I could spot the exact minute you realised I was right— you started throwing a screaming tantrum about how much of an asshole I was for proving you wrong. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 27 20:24:18 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 27 19:55:23 2014. I'll take you up on that bet!How much? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 27 20:36:36 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 27 20:24:18 2014. Not with you. You'd just ask people to define things that everyone else knows the definition of and post 100 consecutive shitty posts that say nothing at all intelligent. Then when you get bored you'll just play make believe like a five year old. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 27 21:12:42 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 27 20:36:36 2014. Or, in other words, you know I'm right but aren't mature enough to admit it.You whine about me, you make absurd accusations, but you wouldn't dare bet any money on the claim that I'm wrong because you know I'm not. |
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Posted by Dave on Sun Jul 27 21:17:52 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jul 27 20:36:36 2014. Spot on description. |
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Posted by Gamera on Sun Jul 27 21:50:22 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 27 20:23:25 2014. And what do you think that HAMAS wants to do to the Jews?Or do you even care? Your anti-Israeli bias is obvious |
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Posted by subfan on Sun Jul 27 21:53:23 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 27 20:23:25 2014. You know, you're really quite amusing. It's entertaining to watch you try to create "facts" to fit your warped views, when anyone with an open mind and a modicum of intelligence can see what you're doing.Having lived in Israel for the past twelve years, I can tell you with absolute confidence that other than the lunatic fringe (consisting of over 90% populace), ALL Israelis would be willing to give land for true peace - however painful they'd find giving up such land. The reason most Israelis oppose giving up such land is because of what's happened each time they've done so - the land was used as a staging ground for further attacks on Israel. Like they say, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me - we're not going to make the same mistake again. So, I've answered your false allegations about Israel - but you have not, and can not - answer my points about Hamas, since there is no answer to facts. I'm proud of my and my son's ser vice in the IDF - an army that while not perfect, goes above and beyond to maintain its morals. subfan |
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Posted by subfan on Sun Jul 27 21:56:12 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by subfan on Sun Jul 27 21:53:23 2014. A small correction - the lunatic fringe referenced above consists of less than 10% of the population. The "over 90%" referenced is the populace that would agree to give up land for true peace.subfan |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 27 22:25:35 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by subfan on Sun Jul 27 21:53:23 2014. You know, you're really quite amusing. It's entertaining to watch you try to create "facts" to fit your warped views, when anyone with an open mind and a modicum of intelligence can see what you're doing.It's a pity that open-minded intelligent people are in such short supply on OTChat, then. We're stuck with an overabundance of people like you, declaring that you have absolutely no evidence that I'm wrong but you know I must be because I disagreed with you and the idea that you might be wrong is unthinkable. Having lived in Israel for the past twelve years, I can tell you with absolute confidence that other than the lunatic fringe (consisting of over 90% populace), ALL Israelis would be willing to give land for true peace - however painful they'd find giving up such land. I didn't say anything about Israelis. I said that Israel, as in the government thereof, is deliberately targeting civilians. You don't need to tell me what individual Israelis believe— they're more than capable of telling me themselves. The reason most Israelis oppose giving up such land is because of what's happened each time they've done so - the land was used as a staging ground for further attacks on Israel. Oh please. Israel has never made any meaningful gestures towards peace, at least not within the last few decades. On the other hand, Israel has a long and varied history of "defending" itself by attacking first and then pointing to its victim's inevitable retaliation as proof that it posed a threat to them. See: Gaza for the most recent example. So, I've answered your false allegations about Israel... No you haven't. You've just asserted that they're false and spewed a bunch of gibberish. ...but you have not, and can not answer my points about Hamas, since there is no answer to facts. You haven't made any points about Hamas. I'm proud of my and my son's ser vice in the IDF - an army that while not perfect, goes above and beyond to maintain its morals. Yeah, so does every army. You know, I'm pretty sure America's military trains its soldiers to disobey illegal orders. Of course, they make sure the soldiers know they're not actually supposed to disobey illegal orders— America's military gives illegal orders all the time and any soldier who points out they're illegal will be locked up for insubordination. Although I'm glad that you're just as proud of your soldier son as the Palestinians are of theirs. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Jul 27 22:25:38 2014, in response to Re: Israel Losing the PR War, posted by Gamera on Sun Jul 27 21:50:22 2014. And what do you think that HAMAS wants to do to the Jews?Fair point. "We have to get rid of Hamas or they might do to us what we're constantly doing to them!" Israel started the war. Sure, Hamas is evil but Israel attacked them so it's hardly in a position to claim the moral high ground here. Your anti-Israeli bias is obvious Which is why you can't link to a single post I made expressing it. I guess you're using the standard right-wing approach that if you tell a lie often enough it'll become true. |
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