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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 14:01:55 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 13:58:42 2014.

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http://www.beliefnet.com/Faiths/2000/04/What-Belongs-To-God.aspx

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 11 14:05:00 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 13:49:47 2014.

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Oh please. Your political obsession is beyond belief.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 14:06:22 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 13:57:38 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
The "render unto Caesar" part was completely about whether or not taxes should be paid. I dunno where you're getting your account from, but wherever, it's completely incorrect.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 14:06:50 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 14:00:58 2014.

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?

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 14:09:06 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 14:01:55 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Nicely protestantized. Still nope. The Catholic interpretation disagrees.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by bingbong on Wed Jun 11 14:09:40 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 11 13:45:05 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Heh?

Christ said that people should pay their taxes. Where did you come up with *that* from what I said? That only indicates that your meds need the dosage adjusted. Seriously. How misconstrued can anyone get?

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 14:10:01 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 11 14:05:00 2014.

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Right ... and yours is so nonexistent, you were speechless. :)

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 14:12:04 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 14:06:22 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
And having seen where you pointed at for your quote, various sects have done their very own translations and concordances to justify their position. I particularly liked the whole "it was a trap" thing like Jesus would give a shit about that.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 14:12:55 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Wed Jun 11 14:09:40 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
As he pointed out, everyone else is "politicized" but he's pure as the driven sleet. :)

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 11 14:13:39 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 14:10:01 2014.

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That's right. You are completely obsessed.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 14:13:52 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 14:09:06 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Argument from authority.

That article appeared well researched and established the context of the quote.

So do you dispute the historical context, or do you claim that Jesus was on the side of submission to Roman dominance?

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 14:14:33 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jun 11 14:13:39 2014.

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Heh. Thanks for the confirmation. :)

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 14:15:27 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 14:12:04 2014.

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Jesus was well known for giving answers that no one expected. It's why he's remembered and worshipped and other supposed messiahs of the day are completely forgotten.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 14:16:39 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 14:12:04 2014.

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But in any event, even if you disagree, it shows clearly that the interpretation favored by bingbong is disputed and is by no means universally accepted.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 14:25:34 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 14:13:52 2014.

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Neither. Jesus stated quite clearly that things of this earth are separate from things of God. Pretty simple concept actually.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 14:26:22 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 14:15:27 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
If he were alive today, the outcome would be the same. :(

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 14:27:03 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 14:16:39 2014.

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Do Jews and Christians agree? Her interpretation is the one accepted by Catholics and I agree with it as well.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 14:42:02 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 14:06:50 2014.

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She claimed that her knowledge is superior for the sole reason that she went through an elementary Catholic education and was raised such.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 15:01:43 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 14:42:02 2014.

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I think that beats wikipedia though. :)

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 11 15:56:19 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 14:27:03 2014.

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Do Jews and Christians agree? Her interpretation is the one accepted by Catholics and I agree with it as well.

I don't think Jews would have a position on the religious significance of something Jesus is quoted in the New Testament as saying...

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 16:19:23 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Jun 11 15:56:19 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
A couple here have, not that there's anything wrong with that. :)

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jun 11 18:03:18 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 11 14:42:02 2014.

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+5

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jun 11 18:04:18 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 15:01:43 2014.

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Nope. The fact that she's almost always wrong when she disagrees with any intelligent person here means that she doesn't get any benefit of the doubt.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by bingbong on Wed Jun 11 18:12:48 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jun 11 18:04:18 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
You're not Catholic, you don't follow the teachings of Christ, and Wikipedia, if that's your source for "all things Christian", is wrong on a LOT. That's laughable. You haven't a clue.

There's a reason why I stay away from discussions of Judaism and Israel. May I suggest you do the same WRT Christianity? It would help you appear "intelligent".


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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 18:36:56 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jun 11 18:04:18 2014.

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lol

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Jun 11 19:57:41 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Wed Jun 11 18:12:48 2014.

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Well I am Catholic....went to 13 years of school and call bluff.....as usual with much of your statements

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 20:11:42 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Jun 11 19:57:41 2014.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by bingbong on Wed Jun 11 20:13:59 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Wed Jun 11 19:57:41 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I probably stopped gong to church before you stopped shitting yourself. I have no idea what they're passing off as teachings now, but you were misled. Seriously.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 11 23:25:40 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Wed Jun 11 18:12:48 2014.

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What are you talking about? I never said anything about any of that. Learn to read.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 11 23:27:09 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 18:36:56 2014.

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Yep, she's almost always wrong. That's why you're such good buddies with Dan "my neighborhood is not on that map of Baltimore" Lawrence - she and him are quite alike!

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 11 23:32:28 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by AlM on Wed Jun 11 09:14:13 2014.

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Paragraph 1 is incorrect as I'm sure there are plenty of things that Christianity says you should/have to do.

Paragraph 2 is irrelevant and thus a "wrong" response.

Paragraph 3 starts off with a comment that surely is already accounted for in the analysis so it's again irrelevant and thus a "wrong" response. It then ends with a statement that I don't know the veracity of.

Paragraph 4 is completely incorrect as easily proven by the example of the Jews.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 23:39:27 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 11 23:27:09 2014.

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Sorry I ever doubted your intellectual superiority. I'll bet you can even count to potato.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 23:43:41 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 11 23:32:28 2014.

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Pope Turtle has spoken. Lo, verily. :)



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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 12 08:08:20 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 23:39:27 2014.

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No you're not.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 12 08:09:01 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 23:43:41 2014.

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Good.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 08:29:56 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jun 11 23:25:40 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
You said it all. Or agreed with others who were wrong, obviously since you knew nothing about it. Just admit Christ isn't your thing, everyone's fine with that. Then move on.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 12 08:36:37 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 08:29:56 2014.

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Apparently for all your talking crap about others, you don't know to much either....

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 12 08:46:51 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 08:29:56 2014.

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???

I've never seen Terrapin make comments about Christianity, much less uninformed ones. I think you're misreading his post.



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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 08:46:56 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 12 08:36:37 2014.

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As you heard from Selkirk, who did seminary, my take on it is the official line. Argue it with a priest someday. That an Orthodox Jew is going to attempt to argue it is laughable. You went through the "modern" version of the church, who knows what, the think anymore, but it's wrong. I don't blame you, or even him although arguing the word of Christ based on qwap found on Wikipedia is amusing you gotta admit.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 08:50:45 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 12 08:46:51 2014.

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Hardly.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 12 08:50:51 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 08:46:56 2014.

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I think the stuff you try to pass off is even more amusing.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 12 08:51:17 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 12 08:46:51 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
She's doing her usual game. don't bother her.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 09:00:29 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 12 08:50:51 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I know you're wrong.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 09:02:13 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 12 08:51:17 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
And what exactly is it that YOU'RE doing?

I know it isn't based on any fact or truth.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 10:16:00 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 11 23:43:41 2014.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 12:42:36 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 08:46:56 2014.

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Not all Christians are Catholic, and there is no "official line" regarding this passage from Christianity in general.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 12:53:06 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 12 12:42:36 2014.

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So?

Doesn't change what the Catholic church says about it.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 12 13:04:00 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 12 08:46:51 2014.

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I've never seen Terrapin make comments about Christianity, much less uninformed ones. I think you're misreading his post.
Exactly. Thank you very much.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 12 13:07:07 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 08:29:56 2014.

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You said it all.
No I didn't. Learn how to read.

Or agreed with others who were wrong, obviously since you knew nothing about it.
No I didn't. Learn how to read.

Just admit Christ isn't your thing
I've never claimed otherwise. But my statements in this thread required no in-depth knowledge of Christ.

everyone's fine with that.
I don't care what everyone's fine with in this regard. I care what's right and what's wrong. Though in this case everyone except you both agrees with what's right and is fine with what I'm saying.

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Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week

Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jun 12 13:12:22 2014, in response to Re: Pope Francis: Pets Can't Replace Children Re: Dennis Prager's ''important thinking'' of the week, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 12 08:46:56 2014.

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That an Orthodox Jew is going to attempt to argue it is laughable.
I didn't attempt anything. I successfully stated that you are wrong. And several others agreed with me and no one of consequence agreed with you.

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