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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 10:08:38 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:04:54 2014. 1% can AFFORD to eat out and the rest can't afford it. That's why so many mid-level restaurants are closing up. Get it? what part don't you get? eh? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:10:24 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 10:07:26 2014. That's funny, as every restaurant seems packed to the rafters any day of the week. Drive by a parking lot of even a chain like Applebees or just about any restaurant almost any day of the week. Restaurants seem more busy then ever. I guess that's a lot of "1%ers out there". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:11:54 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 10:08:38 2014. That's complete bull. Restaurants are packed to the rafters, and that is any level restaurant from cheaper chains to mid level.The only reason "so many are closing up" would be because they suck to begin with. There are NO shortage of customers at most restaurants. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jun 5 10:14:00 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 09:49:03 2014. That doesn't show an increase that would obliterate buying power. The worker with his raise would still have increased buying power as I maintain. So an $8 pizza is a $9 pizza now but it's not like the worker has to work an extra half hour to afford the extra dollar.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jun 5 10:18:52 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 10:08:38 2014. As Chris points out, restaurants are doing just fine, as I've also seen in my travels. 2 Sundays ago I found a place for breakfast that didn't have a long wait time; it was my 3rd stop.I can see someone who makes $6 an hour not dining out but somebody making $25 an hour sure will, and that's not a 1%er by any stretch. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 10:18:57 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:10:24 2014. " I guess that's a lot of "1%ers out there".Right now.......that's that only one's that can afford it. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 10:20:42 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:11:54 2014. So then you support the $15 minimun wage...................regardless....kool.....so it has no affect here...where.... "There are NO shortage of customers at most restaurants." |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 10:21:56 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by Fred G on Thu Jun 5 10:18:52 2014. But Chris states if they pay $15 per hours then the food prices will go up and then who will really be able to afford to eat there? just the 1% will...... |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 5 10:24:01 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:11:54 2014. If these restaurants as so busy they must be doing well and can easily afford to pay their employees better. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:24:24 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 10:20:42 2014. There are no shortage, but you want people to spend more to go. And NO, you are delusional if you think only "1%ers go to restaurants". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:26:06 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by Fred G on Thu Jun 5 10:14:00 2014. But it's not just food, that's just example. That $8 (where can you get that?) that is now $9, plus all the other increases will absorb any numerical amount of money they get. Sure they will "make more" in dollar numbers, but those dollars will buy less. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:29:21 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by Fred G on Thu Jun 5 10:18:52 2014. As Chris points out, restaurants are doing just fine, as I've also seen in my travels. 2 Sundays ago I found a place for breakfast that didn't have a long wait time; it was my 3rd stop.Don't know where he gets the idea that only 1%ers go to restaurants. I rarely see empty parking lots, any night of the week. If anything, it seems patronage is up. I can see someone who makes $6 an hour not dining out but somebody making $25 an hour sure will, and that's not a 1%er by any stretch. And sometimes it's almost CHEAPER to eat out. By the time you buy all the ingredients for a dish, sometimes for slightly more (and sometimes even less), you can get the meal at a restaurant. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:30:43 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 10:18:57 2014. LOL, completely false. I highly doubt the parking lots full of people at Applebees or the local diner, "Olive Garden" (fill in a blank) are not 1%ers. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:31:45 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 10:21:56 2014. ????? Where did I say that? I said that prices will go up, I didn't say that all of a sudden "TGI Fridays" will be fine dining. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:35:00 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 5 10:24:01 2014. How do you know they are being paid bad? Not to mention, that many of them work on tips. Furthermore, SINCE they are so busy, there is a very high demand for restaurants, THUS a lot of competition. There isn't much room in the mark up, as competition keeps it down. But that same competition has the same price line, so will have to go up too.Unlike the absurdity of saying a place like "Olive Garden" will all of a sudden become too expensive to patronize (never claimed such), but the price increases in labor WILL be passed on to consumers. The same consumers who are making "more in numbers" will be able to buy less with those higher numbers. And restaurants are just one example. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 5 10:39:14 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:26:06 2014. The argument about minimum wage is totally one about level. Almost every American agrees it should be more than $1 and less than 4100. So what do you think it should be? Obviously less than $15, but what should it be? |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jun 5 10:43:31 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:29:21 2014. Even if it's same cost, at the restaurant somebody brings it to you :)your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jun 5 10:45:41 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:26:06 2014. I'm not saying it won't put a dent in everyone's purchasing ability but it won't obliterate it and that most everyone will come out ahead.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:50:40 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by Fred G on Thu Jun 5 10:43:31 2014. Yes, that's where the slightly more comes in. The cost of the tip. Unless of cost you do take out. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:50:55 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by Fred G on Thu Jun 5 10:43:31 2014. Yes, that's where the slightly more comes in. The cost of the tip. Unless of course you do take out. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Thu Jun 5 10:55:05 2014, in response to $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jun 4 03:01:40 2014. Go back and reread what is said: One city: Seattle, only, not the whole country!!! |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Jun 5 10:59:16 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:35:00 2014. Which is a SUB-minimum wage (tips, which should function as a reward for excellence, not basic income) as the expectation tips fill in the gap to attain minimum wage (which is not necessarily the case).Fact is, especially these chains, will follow the letter of the law, but no more. You can count on low pay scales, THIW. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 5 11:02:41 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 5 10:39:14 2014. That was $100. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 5 11:04:25 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 10:50:40 2014. McD is competitive with cooking for yourself. Sit-down restaurants, even lower end chains like Applebees, and even not counting the tip, are not. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 5 11:07:08 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 5 03:25:30 2014. No, not necessarily. There may be some condition whereby either competitors can't make them, or there's a limited number that can ever be made, so every competitor will always sell their whole supply for $100. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 5 11:20:36 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 09:49:03 2014. LOL! Thank you for proving our points.Notice that in all of the examples the percent increase in wages is more than the increase in prices which is less than 2% in every example. |
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Posted by Dand124 on Thu Jun 5 11:28:40 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 4 21:46:06 2014. That's true in places where supply isn't constrained. In NYC where there is a limited supply of housing an increase in pay will mean an increase in housing costs, in Omaha where there are few limits on supply an increase in pay will have a more positive effect. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 11:34:04 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 5 11:04:25 2014. That is not true. If I want to make let's say a Spaghetti and meatballs dinner for two. By the time I buy the chopped meat (and all the ingredients you add to them), the sauce, the spaghetti, a salad, some bread, and so forth, you will be somewhere between $20-$35. That's the same as if the two of us went out to a lower end Italian place, or even one of the chains. Of course, yes, adding the tip does make it slightly higher than preparing yourself. But that's what I said. It is INDEED competitive within a few dollars to doing it yourself. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 5 12:20:07 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jun 5 11:07:08 2014. Right. Those are cases of very large barriers to entry. For example, if you have a patent, as Selkirk mentions. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jun 5 12:23:00 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 11:34:04 2014. The $20-35 should leave you with plenty of extras for your next bunch of meals. The only things you'd use up are the meat, the bread, and maybe the lettuce. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 12:23:09 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 11:34:04 2014. $20-$35? what store are you buying your products from? Must be Whole Foods or Wegmans.....definately not PATHMARK or KEYFOOD or even Western Beef. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 12:44:42 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by AlM on Thu Jun 5 12:23:00 2014. Well I picked a relatively inexpensive spaghetti and meatballs meal, which STILL is competitive. Push it up to chicken cutlets, vegetable, potato, salad, etc, and it becomes even more competitive.Even a steak dinner. Two steaks will run you about $10-15. Add vegetable, potato, salad, etc. I can go to a cheaper end steakhouse (let's say JR Steakhouse, which is a small chain on Long island. Their Early bird special (before 7:00), you can get a steak dinner for $12-14.99 (depending on what you get), which includes soup or salad, your entree, two sides, and desert/coffee. For two that would be just about $25-30. Sure, you can have better cuts, larger, etc too if you want, but let's just talk basic. Furthermore, before 7 it's also happy hour so you can have two for one beer for $5 more. (or you can skip that and have water). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 12:46:54 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 12:23:09 2014. I use Stop N Shop, Waldbaums, Pathmark, or King Kullen, depending on which direction I go.You must never go food shopping. And I have been to Whole Foods ONCE in my life (hated it), and never even heard of Wegmans. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 12:55:42 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 12:46:54 2014. "I use Stop N Shop, Waldbaums, Pathmark, or King Kullen, depending on which direction I go."OK......ah...yes...i do go food shopping and yes...I DO know about food pricing and the variations at different store.....DO YOU! most likely not since you know King Kullen and Stop N Shop prices are way up there compared to Waldbaums & Pathmark(run by the same company if you didn't know that). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 13:16:36 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 12:55:42 2014. Depends. Sometimes one is higher, sometimes the other. And I said I shop at all of them. And yes, I understand the ownership of the supermarkets. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 13:26:05 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 13:16:36 2014. "And I said I shop at all of them."If you really DO shop at all of them, then you would know the price difference in each one then. To some people, it does not matter what the cost is as long as they are able to get what they want. I on the other hand buy according to price. I know KK is pricey on most products, meats included. So I would not buy there even if it is "along the way home." I do know too there is a quality factor as well. When I buy at Fairway, regardless of the price, I know that meat will stay fresh in the frig vs. if I bought the same meat at Pathmark. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 13:30:53 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 13:26:05 2014. I shop by sales. Sometimes one is cheaper than the other. Waldbaums is closest to me, so that's the one I use the most. You have to consider gas too. If I am passing "Stop N Shop", or at another store in that shopping center anyway, I am not going to spend $5 of gas to let's say "Pathmark" to save $2 on meat. |
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Posted by rkba on Thu Jun 5 14:02:54 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 12:55:42 2014. KK and S&S are both higher, but you're paying for the quality. You want to pay less at Pathmark? Fine, but that place is one step above C-Town. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 14:29:17 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by rkba on Thu Jun 5 14:02:54 2014. Sorry......there are no C-Towns near where I live at. So I have none to compare."KK and S&S are both higher, but you're paying for the quality. " They both are overpriced. The only quality you might get from both is the packaging part. |
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Posted by rkba on Thu Jun 5 14:42:08 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 14:29:17 2014. KK is more overpriced than S&S. When I was still on the Island I was going to the S&S in Oceanside all the time, despite having three KKs closer to me. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 5 14:57:54 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 11:34:04 2014. I have a suggestion.Go to Carrabbas in CENTRAL ISLIP! |
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Posted by rkba on Thu Jun 5 15:03:41 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 5 14:57:54 2014. Hope he goes strapped. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 15:06:48 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 5 14:57:54 2014. What about the one in Smithtown? |
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Posted by rkba on Thu Jun 5 15:10:11 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Jun 5 15:06:48 2014. CI provides a unique italian-dining-in-savageland experience. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 15:16:08 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 5 14:57:54 2014. I have been there. I also have been at the TGI Fridays next door. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 5 15:17:14 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 11:34:04 2014. you bring up a good point.Of course it's still cheaper(and healthier) to eat at home, but buying all the menu items for home and ingredients, is not as cheap as people think. I don't even keep bread in the house because it goes to waste unless I eat four slices a day. Living alone like I do, so much can go to waste if you're not careful. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 15:17:16 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by rkba on Thu Jun 5 15:10:11 2014. Have you ever been to that shopping center? It's not bad there at all, it's near the Ducks Stadium, and there are condos everywhere around there. It's the old State Hospital property off Carleton Ave. It's not the heart of "Central Islip". |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jun 5 15:17:34 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 12:46:54 2014. Nearest Wegman's to me is in Easton. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 5 15:22:33 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by rkba on Thu Jun 5 15:10:11 2014. it's a nice shopping center.In the past I'd try to be there on July 4th. Go swimming at Robert Moses, a meal at Carrabbas, and free fireworks show at the nearby Ducks baseball stadium. But it is Central Islip. I escape using the SSP. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jun 5 15:23:35 2014, in response to Re: $15 minimum wage permits few luxuries in US cities, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Jun 5 15:17:14 2014. Of course it's still cheaper(and healthier) to eat at home, but buying all the menu items for home and ingredients, is not as cheap as people think.Yes. It's not nearly as cheap as you think. I cooked dinner for my wife the other night, and by the time I bought everything, we LITERALLY could have went out. It came out great, and we had leftovers, but the truth is, it's not a big money saver. One issue though is that restaurants use too much salt which yes, is not that healthy. I agree with you about the bread, it's hard to keep that in the house, as I don't like stale bread, and it gets stale quicker than we finish a loaf. The same with vegetables. I can't count how many time I went food shopping, bought fresh vegetables, and got busy the next few days and we coudln't cook, so wound up throwing them out. I don't like frozen vegetables (except some things like peas, etc), and definitely don't like canned either. I rather do without than have canned vegetables. Fresh ones though have a limited life, so if you aren't cooking them soon, they can go bad. As you said, much can go to waste if you aren't careful, even as a couple, not just alone. |
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