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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jun 3 01:54:29 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Political Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 01:42:57 2014. The sooner the better! Show them folks with their popguns around the chicken ranch what REAL armaments look like. ;)Our military knows how to handle nutballs, it ain't even a fair drop! 
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 02:01:57 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Political Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jun 3 01:54:29 2014. More to the point, we spent upwards of a trillion dollars on Iraq and then again on Afghanistan. Just imagine what might happen if we spent that much money on America! The invasion and occupation of America will fail unless we, er, I mean our troops have intact roads and bridges, functioning electricity and communications, and water uncontaminated by industrial waste and fracking runoff. That's why the Army Corps of Engineers will need a trillion dollars of its own to reestablish the Civilian Conservation Corps and put people to work building infrastructure. If you don't approve the Declaration of Emergency Response Protocols (DERP) bill to fund the |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jun 3 02:06:26 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Political Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 02:01:57 2014. Yep ... sadder still is that we took out Saddam (like we give a shit about Arabs in the first place) and handed Iraq over to Iran, lock stock and and U238. So after doing that, Ayaatollah gets to run around free and get ready to nuke Israel. But oh wait, it was a republican that did that so that's OK. Him, Cheney and his PNAC friends weren't happy stopping there though, next trick was whipping out that "Arab Spring" to ensure that the mayhem gets even further out of control.But nope, no problem, it was the republicans behind all that too and that's good somehow. :-\ |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 3 05:40:09 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Political Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 01:42:57 2014. The most recent terrorist attack to make the news was Elliott Rodgers in Santa Barbara. Does that mean America needs to invade America?What about the shootings in Chicago last night? Are they domestic terrorism or hood disease? |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 06:12:57 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Political Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 3 05:40:09 2014. Which ones? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 3 06:16:02 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Political Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 06:12:57 2014. there were a bunch of shootings in chicago last night. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jun 3 06:25:34 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Fred G on Mon Jun 2 22:08:49 2014. It doesn't. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jun 3 07:16:12 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Nilet on Mon Jun 2 21:58:08 2014. But until their trial, why can't they be held in jail? |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jun 3 07:21:49 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Top Terrorists From Gitmo!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 2 22:16:29 2014. Link? |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 07:22:15 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Political Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Jun 3 06:16:02 2014. Absent additional information, I can't say whether they were terrorism or not. Terrorism is all about the motivation for a crime. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 07:24:44 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jun 3 06:25:34 2014. The Geneva Conventions do.Of course, it's completely moot as a Canadian citizen changing planes in JFK Airport does not meet any coherent definition of "combatant" or "enemy." |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 07:31:33 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jun 3 07:16:12 2014. They can, if the judge determines it's necessary to compel court appearances at a bail hearing in which they are afforded the opportunity to respond.However, jail is not the same thing as prison, and neither is the same thing as "indefinite" imprisonment in a concentration camp. A person who has been charged with a crime on the basis of probable cause and is awaiting trial can be locked up until the trial has concluded, under relatively exceptional circumstances, and with a guarantee that the duration of said confinement has an absolute maximum limit (that being the right to a speedy trial in that same amendment; if the prosecutors delay for too long, the charge can be thrown out on a speedy trial motion). This does not, in any way, justify the indefinite imprisonment of people who have not been charged with a crime, in the complete absence of even probable cause that any crime has even occurred, without any ability to challenge that imprisonment. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 3 07:52:58 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 07:24:44 2014. Of course, it's completely moot as a Canadian citizen changing planes in JFK Airport does not meet any coherent definition of "combatant" or "enemy."Against my better judgement to even waste any valuable time on you, here is where you are wrong, and where you consitently are wrong. It isn't about "someone changing planes at JFK", Canadian citizen or otherwise. It's about what they have done, or who they are involved with. You like to make some seemingly innocent phrase such as "someone changing planes", trying to make a point using the innocent absurd, yet fail to engage that in the big picture. It's the same reason why it wasn't about a "bacon cheeseburger" either. You know it, and don't think anyone else isn't on to your tactics. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 3 08:37:22 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Top Terrorists From Gitmo!, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 2 22:16:29 2014. No, we don't leave anyone out there. If he's indeed a bum then he can face the music here.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 3 08:53:07 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 07:31:33 2014. I am not familiar with the particulars of the Gitmo situation. I agree that what they are doing is probably not consistent with past practice (existing law, etc.), but I also think that since the types of enemies of our country is experiencing (i.e. people clearly fighting "America" but not backed by an actual other sovereign nation) has changed, our laws need to change with it. However I think the changes in law should still reflect our values and be in line with our existing laws and practices as much as possible. I firmly believe in the whole Ben Franklin business. But if a guy like Obama doesn't even want to shut it down, and he LOVES America, then I think there must be some good reasons for it. I think the process should be more transparent and there should be laws made by publicly elected officials to deal with the situations that are causing these guys to be held indefinitely at Gitmo. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 08:54:53 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 3 07:52:58 2014. It isn't about "someone changing planes at JFK", Canadian citizen or otherwise.Someone changing planes in JFK is what literally happened. It's about what they have done, or who they are involved with. OK, what did he do and who was he involved with? And how did it justify him being imprisoned and tortured? You like to make some seemingly innocent phrase such as "someone changing planes", trying to make a point using the innocent absurd, yet fail to engage that in the big picture. The big picture is this: The US government claims that it has the right to arrest/kidnap anyone from anywhere on the planet, and lock them up forever without any oversight and without offering them any recourse. You, me, your kids, politicians who oppose them— anyone. This is self-evidently wrong and I can't fathom how you could possibly be trying to justify it. The guy who was changing planes is one example of the United States invoking this policy to disastrous effect, included for the sake of putting a human face on the problem. It's the same reason why it wasn't about a "bacon cheeseburger" either. Dude, everybody already agreed it was about a bacon cheeseburger. Including yourself. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 3 08:56:39 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Top Terrorists From Gitmo!, posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 3 08:37:22 2014. The issue it seems is how much we're willing to give up just to make him face the music here. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 09:19:32 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 3 08:53:07 2014. I am not familiar with the particulars of the Gitmo situation.Here they are: The US government arrests/kidnaps people. Some of them are US citizens. These people are locked up in Guantanamo Bay, without any charge being filed against them, nor any ability to challenge this imprisonment. The US government has now admitted that most of them were random people, completely innocent of any wrongdoing, but is claiming they can't be released because having been imprisoned and tortured for the last decade might motivate them to take highly justified revenge against the US for said imprisonment and torture. Essentially, "the fact that we wrongfully imprisoned you justifies imprisoning you." Note that additionally, some people were arrested, formally charged in courts, and then told that they would be locked up in Guantanamo forever unless they pled guilty in court and refused to present any evidence of their innocence. Still others were kidnapped, imprisoned in Guantanamo without charges or ability to challenge imprisonment, tortured, and then given a sham trial in a real court only after they had been too broken by torture to meaningfully defend themselves. ...but I also think that since the types of enemies of our country is experiencing (i.e. people clearly fighting "America" but not backed by an actual other sovereign nation) has changed, our laws need to change with it. Bullshit. There have always been criminals plotting mass murders; their motivations are irrelevant and their capabilities are unchanged. A "terrorist" group is no different from an organised crime family, which is no different from a "militia" that thinks the US is evil because black people. The only thing that distinguishes the arbitrary subset of brown-skinned criminals designated as "terrorists" is that they committed a crime more successful than most (courtesy of George W. Bush and his apparent illiteracy) and a group of unscrupulous politicians exploited that crime to seize dictatorial power by convincing a bunch of panicked animals that it was necessary to "protect" them. However I think the changes in law should still reflect our values and be in line with our existing laws and practices as much as possible. I firmly believe in the whole Ben Franklin business. Good. Then you support the immediate closure of Guantanamo (and other concentration camps), the cessation of mass spying, the repeal of the Patriot Act, NDAA, and Authorisation for Use of Military Force, and a massive investigation of the Bush and Obama regimes with plenty of special prosecutors to go around. But if a guy like Obama doesn't even want to shut it down, and he LOVES America, then I think there must be some good reasons for it. Objection! Assumes facts not in evidence. Seriously, Obama is either a far-right extremist or a spineless pile of jelly who acts like a far-right extremist because a far-right extremist told him to and he passively does whatever the shoutiest man in the room tells him to. "A prominent government official told me it was necessary, so I think there must be some good reasons for it" is the common bleat of the panicked animals who agreed to the end of democracy. I think the process should be more transparent and there should be laws made by publicly elected officials to deal with the situations that are causing these guys to be held indefinitely at Gitmo. The situation that is causing these guys to be held indefinitely is that the government has declared it can hold anyone indefinitely and doesn't have to provide a reason. Luckily, we already do have laws to deal with these situations— chief among them, the Sixth Amendment quoted earlier in this thread. |
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Posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jun 3 09:19:41 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 01:10:32 2014. The President doesn't make laws, the Congress does!!!! |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 09:27:19 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jun 3 09:19:41 2014. Yes, and the law that Congress made (though unconstitutional on its face) declares that the President has permission to lock up (or, under Obama's interpretation, kill) anyone, anywhere, without having to explain why or even publicly reveal that he's doing it.Chelsea Manning is currently imprisoned for "illegally" revealing that the US military intentionally killed journalists who were reporting on our little Iraq fiasco. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 3 10:08:19 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Top Terrorists From Gitmo!, posted by Elkeeper on Mon Jun 2 21:54:17 2014. No - that seems to cover the current situation. Of course there are now 5 more terrorists on the loose who this country will eventually have to face again. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 3 10:09:19 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Dan Lawrence on Tue Jun 3 09:19:41 2014. And the president doesn't obey them |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 3 10:14:42 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 09:27:19 2014. "Chelsea Manning is currently imprisoned for "illegally" revealing that the US military intentionally killed journalists who were reporting on our little Iraq fiasco. "Ah so now you just revealed the same thing. Shall we now anticipate your departure any time soon? |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 11:35:32 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 3 10:14:42 2014. Your attempts at a joke fall pathetically flat.Leave the humour to the liberals. You people just fundamentally don't understand the concept. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 3 12:26:51 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 09:19:32 2014. We'll have to agree to disagree then. My opinion is what I wrote in my previous post, how I wrote it, and nothing you said in the above post has convinced me to change it. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jun 3 12:32:27 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Top Terrorists From Gitmo!, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 3 10:08:19 2014. Until I realize otherwise, with the way our prez goes through his hitlist every Tuesday, the only thing him and his advisors seem to do well is send out the drones.Should I be wrong in thinking they won't be able to do much for 2 years? I'm wavering back and forth on this. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 12:34:42 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 3 12:26:51 2014. So you believe the government should be allowed to lock up anyone for any reason forever without having to explain themselves. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 3 12:41:19 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 12:34:42 2014. You can make any statements you want. Doesn't mean they are true. |
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Posted by rkba on Tue Jun 3 14:27:54 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 01:27:48 2014. They're war criminals.Don't want to be treated like a criminal? Don't be a criminal. |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jun 3 14:28:42 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by rkba on Tue Jun 3 14:27:54 2014. +1 |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jun 3 14:29:34 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 3 07:52:58 2014. Live in your dreamworld but it isn't worth my time trying to reason with you and no everyone said it wasn't about a bacon cheeseburger nor is this about changing planes but have fun deflecting...I am not playing your game. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Jun 3 14:40:53 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Jun 3 14:28:42 2014. ???Aren't war criminals accused of war crimes? I haven't been following closely but I thought these guys had not been accused of crimes. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 3 15:16:26 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jun 3 07:52:58 2014. If he blabbed any of what he blabs in public, he would have been horizontal in about five seconds. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 3 15:50:20 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by rkba on Tue Jun 3 14:27:54 2014. And he wonders why the railroad cops bug him so much. |
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Posted by rkba on Tue Jun 3 16:07:41 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Top Terrorists From Gitmo!, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 3 15:50:20 2014. Because he's a dick. He'll do anything for attention. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 3 17:53:44 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 11:35:32 2014. Liberals such as you are the joke and you should be running around in a yellow polka dot jumpsuit, wearing a red wig and nose and squirting other liberals with seltzer - shit head! |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 3 20:09:05 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Top Terrorists From Gitmo!, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 3 15:16:26 2014. Maybe in your vision of America...Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 3 20:53:38 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Top Terrorists From Gitmo!, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 3 08:56:39 2014. In this instance it sounds like too much, but I dunno. 5 guys who are allegedly "5 top guys" but even if so, can we just drone them out if they act up?Anyway I think it's less bring him home to face the music than not leaving anyone out there. I can't think of any prior instance of a questionable POW being brought home. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Tue Jun 3 20:54:30 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 3 10:09:19 2014. Exactly! As I said in my opening statement, Obama circumvents the law by utilizing executive privilege and finding loopholes to sidestep any congressional rules or laws. I'm real nervous about what Obama is continuing to do and that's to make the United States and the world at large a more dangerous place to live. |
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Posted by bklynsubwaybob on Tue Jun 3 21:03:42 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Dave on Sun Jun 1 22:08:26 2014. Good post, Dave. These are real dangerous individuals and it appears that the U.S. is taking a couple of steps backwards in the fight against terrorism by setting them free.Bob |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Jun 3 21:35:56 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Dave on Sun Jun 1 22:08:26 2014. Fazl was the Taliban’s former deputy defense minister and is wanted by the United Nations for his role in massacres targeting Afghan’s Shi’ite Muslim population.We don't like Shi'ites. Noori was a senior Taliban military figure and, according to his Pentagon dossier, was asked personally in 1995 by Osama bin Laden to participate in an offensive against northern alliance warlord Rashid Dostum. Doesn't sound like a Rommel. Omari held several military leadership posts for the Taliban and helped organize the al Qaeda/Taliban militias that fought against U.S. and coalition troops in the first year of the war, according to his Pentagon dossier. Sounds like how people embellish their job resumes with couched language so they're not really lying. Are these guys really that big and bad or just puffed up in today's infowars? your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 3 21:48:00 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Tue Jun 3 20:54:30 2014. Obama circumvents the law by utilizing executive privilegeExecutive privilege does not give him the power to do what he's been doing. It has nothing to do with taking legislative power to the executive. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 21:54:48 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jun 3 12:41:19 2014. In this case, it is. You might want to look up logic, and how one statement necessarily follows from another. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 21:54:54 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by rkba on Tue Jun 3 14:27:54 2014. They haven't been formally accused of anything, let alone convicted.So you believe the government should be allowed to declare anyone on the planet to be a "war criminal" and then lock them up with no further explanation and no oversight or recourse? |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 21:54:56 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Top Terrorists From Gitmo!, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 3 15:50:20 2014. You're going to have to explain that, as your statement appears to follow from an unstated premise which is only true in Olog Fantasy World.Incidentally, the irony of claiming that my opposition to absolute dictatorship and abuse of police power leads to my being oppressed by abuse of police power appears to have been completely lost on you. I'd say you support dictatorship, but from your track record it's more likely you're an anarchist who believes any government is inherently dictatorial. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 21:54:57 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Top Terrorists From Gitmo!, posted by rkba on Tue Jun 3 16:07:41 2014. Right, which is why you are the one supporting absolute dictatorship. My apologies for defending democracy more assertively than you think should be allowed. Let me guess, next you'll declare I'm a "war criminal" too? |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 21:55:00 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Tue Jun 3 14:29:34 2014. Hilarious! You got pwned so hard that even though you are directly responding to me, you're still too scared to hit the "reply" button to my post so it looks like you're talking to yourself....it isn't worth my time trying to reason with you... That's your cute way of saying that you have no reason to think I'm wrong but you're not mature enough to admit that I'm right. ...and no everyone said it wasn't about a bacon cheeseburger... Nobody provided any reason why it wasn't about a bacon cheeseburger, so they implicitly admitted that it was. Except for AlM, who misunderstood the word "celebrate" and, when corrected, agreed his opposition was erroneous. ...nor is this about changing planes but have fun deflecting... No, it's about the fact that the US government claims that it has the right to arrest/kidnap anyone from anywhere on the planet, and lock them up forever without any oversight and without offering them any recourse. You, me, your kids, politicians who oppose them— anyone. This is self-evidently wrong and I can't fathom how you could possibly be trying to justify it. The guy who was changing planes is one example of the United States invoking this policy to disastrous effect, included for the sake of putting a human face on the problem. Incidentally, you claimed his/their imprisonment was "about what they have done, or who they are involved with." I asked you: "What did he do and who was he involved with? And how did it justify him being imprisoned and tortured?" Unfortunately, you deflected it with some random nonsense about changing planes. Luckily, I'm used to the sort of games you play— you state an incorrect position, support it with a few incoherent arguments, and when those arguments are trivially disproven you throw a tantrum and accuse the other person of "deflecting" and being "irrational" then run home screaming to your mommy and refuse to acknowledge anything they say for a few days or weeks (while making sure to insult them anytime you think it's "safe" to do so without them noticing). |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 21:55:03 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Top Terrorists From Gitmo!, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Jun 3 15:16:26 2014. Yeah, you're really going to need to explain that. I'm not familiar with the inner workings of your fantasy world; do you believe that stating unorthodox opinions causes the spontaneous generation of a Gravity Modifier powerup?
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 21:55:06 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by Train Dude on Tue Jun 3 17:53:44 2014. Case in point. The closest any conservative can get to humour is basically just a fancy way of saying "anyone who disagrees with me is horrible or evil or should be killed." |
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Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo! |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Jun 3 21:55:20 2014, in response to Re: Obama Frees Five Prisoners From Gitmo!, posted by bklynsubwaybob on Tue Jun 3 21:03:42 2014. How so? Despite having them imprisoned, the US appears to have no evidence that they were actually terrorists or that they ever did anything wrong, so what's wrong with letting them go? |
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