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Who's tired of matzah? |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 22 18:33:49 2014 Chometz may be eaten at 8:45 tonight. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 22 18:36:39 2014, in response to Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 22 18:33:49 2014. Is that the correct spelling? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 22 18:48:13 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by chicagomotorman on Tue Apr 22 18:36:39 2014. No, the correct spelling is מצה. |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 22 19:11:15 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 22 18:48:13 2014. Maybe he meant חמץ |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Apr 22 19:14:51 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 22 18:48:13 2014. I'll take your word. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Apr 22 19:15:18 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 22 19:11:15 2014. I'll take you at your word too. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 22 21:14:39 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Apr 22 19:15:18 2014. You never paid attention in Hebrew school did you? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 22 22:46:10 2014, in response to Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 22 18:33:49 2014. Only partially correct. Although Chometz may be eaten after the end of Passover earlier tonight, one is required to wait until (1) the non-Jewish person you sold your Chometz to prior to Passover sells it back to you or (2) the agent you designated to sell your Chometz for you has had the opportunity to buy it back from the non-Jewish person the agent sold it to. You cannot use or consume your Chometz until either of the above has occurred because the Chometz does not belong to you. If you did not sell or otherwise completely dispose of your Chometz prior to Passover, then you have violated the precept of not owning any Chometz on Passover. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 22 22:50:21 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 22 22:46:10 2014. None of this applies to going to a store or restaurant or visiting someone. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Apr 22 22:50:47 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 22 22:46:10 2014. Judaism is so cool! That makes no sense, yet makes perfect sense. |
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Posted by rkba on Wed Apr 23 00:51:13 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Mitch45 on Tue Apr 22 22:46:10 2014. I guess everybody needs something to do. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Apr 23 07:51:26 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 22 22:50:47 2014. It does makes perfect sense, Easy. You (should have) sold your chometz prior to the start of Passover. I know one family who stores it all in a locked closet and sells the chometz and the key to their non-Jewish neighbor. After Passover they buy back the key and the chometz. Going into the closet without buying back the chometz and key would be stealing something that doesn't belong to them. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 09:15:21 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 22 22:50:47 2014. Let me break it down for you.(1) The law: Jews may not possess or otherwise eat, consume or have any use or enjoyment of Chometz on Passover. This includes food or anything else that may contain leavening. (2) Thus, Jews must dispose of all Chometz in their homes, cars, offices, et al before Passover. (3) To dispose of the Chometz, Jews must either (1) destroy it by burning (2) throw it into a public garbage can (some say that throwing it into a garbage can that you own is not considered "disposition") and/or (3) sell the Chometz to a non-Jew. This must be a real sale - the non-Jew has the right to use any Chometz sold to him over Passover. Refusal to allow the non-Jew to use the Chometz is evidence that the sale was not legitimate and the Chometz is still in the possession of the Jewish person, thus violating the law. (4) After Passover ends, the Jewish person can buy back all of the Chometz sold to the non-Jew. The non-Jew has the right to refuse to sell it back (although that seldom happens). |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 23 09:19:11 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Easy on Tue Apr 22 21:14:39 2014. I would accuse you of an anti-semtic post, but I will give you the benifit of the doubt. But I your response was very insulting. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 23 09:21:13 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 09:15:21 2014. My late mother stored them away. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 23 09:33:47 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 09:15:21 2014. After a week. the bread would probably be too stale for my liking anyway, so would probably just opt to not buy too much of it before, and throw out whatever is left at the beginning of passover |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 23 10:02:17 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 23 09:19:11 2014. Lol! |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 23 10:20:10 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Fred G on Wed Apr 23 10:02:17 2014. Are you Jewish? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 23 10:50:53 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 23 10:20:10 2014. Would it really make a difference here? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 23 10:51:10 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Apr 23 09:33:47 2014. After a week. the bread would probably be too stale for my liking anyway, so would probably just opt to not buy too much of it before, and throw out whatever is left at the beginning of passoverIt's not just "bread"; it's anything with wheat, barley, spelt, rye, or oats in it. Your pasta, whiskey, etc. would still be OK after a week of storage. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 23 10:51:33 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 23 09:21:13 2014. My late mother stored them away.It still has to be sold. |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Wed Apr 23 11:07:57 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 23 10:20:10 2014. Are you? |
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Posted by SubwaySurf on Wed Apr 23 11:11:49 2014, in response to Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 22 18:33:49 2014. I love matzoh. But I don't think the way I prepare it is too kosher. 8-) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 11:19:45 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 23 10:51:10 2014. As long as they were unopened. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 23 13:13:46 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Apr 23 10:50:53 2014. I know you're not. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 23 13:14:55 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by SubwaySurf on Wed Apr 23 11:07:57 2014. Yes. Are you? |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 23 13:16:10 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 23 10:51:33 2014. What if no goyim wants to by any? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 23 13:27:37 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 23 13:16:10 2014. What if no goyim wants to by any?Burn it. But that's rarely a problem. Chabad even has an online form for selling chametz. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Apr 23 13:39:26 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 11:19:45 2014. Macaroons are often good from year to year if they were never opened... |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 14:11:17 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 23 13:16:10 2014. I suppose it could happen but I've never heard of it happening. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 23 14:23:51 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 23 09:19:11 2014. It was neither antisemitic nor insulting to Jews in general. It was insulting to you because you get all your facts about your supposed faith from terrorists and not from people who actually know about it. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 23 15:33:21 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 14:11:17 2014. What goyim in this modern era, would buy old food? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Apr 23 15:41:44 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 23 15:33:21 2014. LOL! You know nothing, CMM. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 16:25:04 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 23 15:33:21 2014. Its not just old food.For example, my wife's '03 Honda minivan has been battered by four children and has crumbs all over the place. Rather than clean it for Passover, we sold it with the rest of the Chometz, since she would not be needing it over Passover. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 23 16:28:11 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 16:25:04 2014. Its not just old food.For example, my wife's '03 Honda minivan has been battered by four children and has crumbs all over the place. Rather than clean it for Passover, we sold it with the rest of the Chometz, since she would not be needing it over Passover. What goyim in this modern era would by a 2003 Honda minivan? :) |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 23 16:31:21 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 16:25:04 2014. Did you pay sales tax when you re-bought it?If not, isn't it bad form to engage in criminal conduct in order to meet your religious obligations? Wouldn't it have been more proper to just clean it? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 16:32:09 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by AlM on Wed Apr 23 16:31:21 2014. I think the Rabbi who handled the sale paid all applicable taxes and fees ;) |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 16:33:25 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 23 16:28:11 2014. Its a good one - leather seats, DVD player, seat warmers...its an SE-L model so it has almost every option. Just needed a thorough cleaning, but I was too busy. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 23 16:36:28 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 16:32:09 2014. I'm glad to hear that. But the buyer had to pay 8% tax, and then you had to pay 8% tax. So presumably you had to shell out 16% of the value of the car (plus whatever fee you had to pay the rabbi to handle the deal) to avoid cleaning it. That's quite a bit of money and I bet it still needs cleaning now. I don't enjoy cleaning either but that amount of money (even on an old car) would be an incentive. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Apr 23 16:39:10 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 16:32:09 2014. I think the Rabbi who handled the sale paid all applicable taxes and fees ;)If you didn't sign over the title, you legally still owned it. Problem. IANAR, but I think you have to burn the van now. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Apr 23 16:43:19 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 16:33:25 2014. No, there was no SE-L model. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Apr 23 16:45:22 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 16:25:04 2014. Don't you just sell the chometz IN the van, but not the van itself? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Apr 23 16:47:47 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Apr 23 16:45:22 2014. That would strike me as a lot less expensive. :) |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 23 18:22:55 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 16:25:04 2014. Would that be a legitimate sale? Who would buy old bread crumbs in a van? |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 23 18:27:55 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Apr 23 09:15:21 2014. Thanks. I gathered most of that already, except the burning. What I meant was that it makes perfect sense and I like the tradition of it, but I imagine that most people are expecting to be able to buy their stuff back. Still I find it pretty cool. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 23 18:30:58 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 23 09:19:11 2014. Sorry my man. No insult was intended. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 23 18:37:44 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Wed Apr 23 13:13:46 2014. But why does it matter one way or the other? Are you guys planning to round up the goyim or something? :) |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Apr 23 19:01:56 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Apr 23 18:37:44 2014. I sure the know you're the hell not. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Apr 23 19:07:47 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by Easy on Wed Apr 23 18:30:58 2014. We're good. |
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Posted by Easy on Wed Apr 23 19:23:09 2014, in response to Re: Who's tired of matzah?, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Apr 23 19:01:56 2014. You never asked me, but I'm not Jewish either. |
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