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Posted by Gamera on Thu Apr 17 13:16:59 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 13:10:19 2014. You conveniently ignore "Palestinian" missiles, suicide bombers, rock throwers, etc... etc.... |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 17 13:20:37 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 17 12:54:34 2014. Excellent post. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 17 13:21:20 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Apr 17 12:29:48 2014. Excellent post. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 17 13:23:02 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 12:29:14 2014. Good post. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 13:23:05 2014, in response to Re: What Niletsky Should Have Said, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 17 13:10:46 2014. My original post is right here. I plainly stated that I would not be observing Passover and would, in fact, be eating a bacon cheeseburger.ChicagoMotorman's response irrationally declaring my dinner to be "racist" and "antisemitic" is also available here. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 13:24:38 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Gamera on Thu Apr 17 13:16:59 2014. Ooh, rock throwers. That clearly justifies keeping an oppressed population in poverty. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 17 13:27:07 2014, in response to Re: What Far North Should Have Said, posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 13:23:05 2014. No, you plainly stated that you would be "briefly imagining the concept of matzoh before eating a bacon cheeseburger on a regular bun", which is an attack on the beliefs of Jews and not a comment on your "dinner". That is what chicagomotorman and others were responding to. If you want to keep acting stupid and pretend it's anything but that, by all means keep digging while in your self-excavated hole. |
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Posted by Gamera on Thu Apr 17 13:28:17 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 13:24:38 2014. You again ignore the missiles, "improvised explosive devices", and suicide bombersIsrael has a right to defend itself! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 17 13:28:51 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Gamera on Thu Apr 17 13:28:17 2014. What do you want from the antisemite. He's probably a fan of the pogroms. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 17 13:29:29 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 17 13:23:02 2014. He's one of the best. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 17 13:30:30 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 17 13:28:51 2014. iawtlp |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 17 13:30:32 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 17 13:21:20 2014. He's got a great track record. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 17 13:31:08 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 17 13:29:29 2014. But not The best. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 13:32:41 2014, in response to Re: What Far North Should Have Said, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 17 13:27:07 2014. No, you plainly stated that you would be "briefly imagining the concept of matzoh before eating a bacon cheeseburger on a regular bun", which is an attack on the beliefs of Jews and not a comment on your "dinner".What, does all matzoh become tref if the idea of it enters my head at the same time as the idea of a bacon cheeseburger? I'm pretty sure some form of physical contact was required. If you want to keep acting stupid and pretend it's anything but that, by all means keep digging while in your self-excavated hole. I'm not the one claiming that what other people eat and/or think about is inherently offensive against any demographics. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 13:33:39 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 17 13:28:51 2014. Coming from the guy who openly endorsed segregation, that's definitely a hoot. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 13:35:37 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Gamera on Thu Apr 17 13:28:17 2014. Israel does not have the right to impoverish an entire population as part of what is, essentially, a law enforcement issue. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 17 13:40:09 2014, in response to Re: What Far North Should Have Said, posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 13:32:41 2014. Lousy attempt at backpedaling. If that's what it was. Never mind emphasizing Passover in the thread title. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 17 13:41:51 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 12:29:14 2014. It says all one needs to know. One can even ignore posts like this one after that. |
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Posted by dand124 on Thu Apr 17 13:44:59 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 17 13:28:51 2014. i wonder if he blames the jews for the Crown Heights pogrom. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 13:53:08 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 17 13:40:09 2014. Backpedaling? You mean reiterating. My position has been constant throughout the thread, namely:(a) I do not observe Passover. (b) This fact is not offensive to anybody. (c) This fact is not something I am obliged to hide. Considering that you regularly call everybody "Nazis," including Jews, I would say you're the real antisemite here. It would fit well with your unashamed hatred of black people. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 17 13:57:48 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover, posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 13:53:08 2014. If only it weren't for that little word "celebrate". |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 13:59:42 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 17 13:57:48 2014. What's wrong with the word "celebrate?" |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Apr 17 15:10:31 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover, posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 13:59:42 2014. If you can't figure out what is wrong with that word in the context in which you used it, you have a mental disability. You don't celebrate an event by doing something that is directly counter to the activities associated with the event. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 15:32:49 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover, posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 13:33:39 2014. Ignore Olog and the rest of us are still pissed at you... |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 15:36:27 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 13:35:37 2014. Israel is not impoverishing the entire Palestinian population. How do you feel about the conditions in the Palestinian refugee camps in Syria, Lebanon, and Jordan? Does it bother you that all the people there have been unable to gain citizenship in any country and are used as political pawns by the other Arab nations in that region? Or what about the fact that the Arabs didn't accept the 1947 UN Partition Plan that would have created an Arab state in Mandate Palestine? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 15:38:32 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 12:49:01 2014. I wonder why you have so many run-ins with the police...Actually, I don't. It is pretty clear from your posts over the years. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Apr 17 16:08:32 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 15:38:32 2014. Its quite obvious he has an attitude problem. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 16:18:31 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover, posted by AlM on Thu Apr 17 15:10:31 2014. There is absolutely nothing wrong with any of the words I used in any context. What's "wrong" is that you and a few others have decided that you're entitled to absolute control over how other people live their lives, and so you consider it "offensive" for someone to exist without following all of your rituals to the letter.I'm sure a couple people here celebrate Christmas with Chinese food and movies, yet somehow the few hundred million Christians don't claim you're being "offensive" for doing so. If you're offended by my dietary choices, then you have a mental disability. If you think you're entitled to any say into what I eat, then you have a mental disability. If you think I have any obligation to celebrate events the way you think they should be celebrated, then you have a mental disability. This is not about my choice of language— this is about you and your need to control other people's lives. You have been extraordinarily offensive, but somehow I've managed to let it slide thus far. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 16:21:43 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 15:32:49 2014. Frankly, I don't give a damn.If you get pissed at me because of what I ate for dinner, then you're an idiot and your opinion is irrelevant. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 16:25:27 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 15:36:27 2014. West Bank. Gaza. Israeli occupation thereof.Opposing one wrong does not imply endorsement of any other wrongs. The failure to create an Arab state is probably for the best; there are too many of those as it is. I'm not immediately familiar with the history, but I'm not betting on an "Arab state" being secular. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 16:27:15 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 15:38:32 2014. Explain the logic of this.Many of the SubChat nutters have made this claim, but it's a complete non sequitur— how would my disagreeing with the poorly reasoned policies of people on the internet have any bearing whatsoever on the police harassment that every photographer faces? |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 16:28:01 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Apr 17 16:08:32 2014. ...says the person who resorts to playground insults in what is supposed to be a reasoned debate. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 16:29:30 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover, posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 16:18:31 2014. I'm sure a couple people here celebrate Christmas with Chinese food and movies, yet somehow the few hundred million Christians don't claim you're being "offensive" for doing so. If I posted on December 24 that I was upset that there was nothing open that day except Chinese restaurants and movie theaters and how there was nothing else to do except to go to those venues or to stay at home because of other people's religious holiday, Christians would have every right to be upset at me. The same way I get upset at people who complain about Israel partially or completely shutting down for some holidays. If you don't like it, go somewhere else or keep it to yourself. No one is upset because you don't keep Kosher for Passover. People are upset because of how you go about letting us all know what you ate for dinner on Monday. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 16:31:48 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 16:25:27 2014. So you don't support the creation of an Arab state because it probably wouldn't be secular enough for you, but you hold Israel accountable for not giving the Arab citizens who find itself in the disputed territories rights that would destroy Israel's Jewish majority. What exactly do you want to see there? A bi-national state? That won't end well. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 16:33:13 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 16:27:15 2014. Although the data are self-reported so that can skew things a bit, you seem to face far more "police harassment" than every other photographer here faces. And it isn't a non sequitur. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 16:35:55 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 16:29:30 2014. If I posted on December 24 that I was upset that there was nothing open that day except Chinese restaurants and movie theaters and how there was nothing else to do except to go to those venues or to stay at home because of other people's religious holiday, Christians would have every right to be upset at me.This example is not apropos. In your example, you are complaining that other people don't conform to your beliefs. I merely stated my plans— at which point you got upset that they didn't conform to your beliefs. If you posted on December 24th that you planned to celebrate Christmas by eating Chinese food and seeing a movie, Christians would have no right to declare that you are "anti-Christian" for failing to celebrate Christmas in the "proper" way. The same way I get upset at people who complain about Israel partially or completely shutting down for some holidays. If you don't like it, go somewhere else or keep it to yourself. I never did anything of the sort. No one is upset because you don't keep Kosher for Passover. People are upset because of how you go about letting us all know what you ate for dinner on Monday. Exactly. You're not upset that I don't observe Passover— you're just upset that I mentioned that I don't observe Passover. Because apparently, my failure to follow your rituals is some horrible deviation that can only be tolerated if kept hidden. Which goes back to the original question— is everybody who mentions eating bread during Passover "antisemitic?" |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 16:37:35 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover, posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 16:35:55 2014. It isn't what you say, it is how you say it. You don't seem to get that. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Apr 17 16:38:00 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover, posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 03:07:20 2014. He's anti-anything he can get his hands on. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 16:43:43 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 16:31:48 2014. What, exactly, do you mean by "rights that would destroy Israel's Jewish majority?" |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Thu Apr 17 16:44:35 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 16:33:13 2014. Text corrected.Although the data are self-reported so that can skew things a bit, you seem to face far more "police harassment" than every other photographer here faces. And it isn't an inference that does not follow from the premises. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Apr 17 16:46:48 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 16:29:30 2014. For once. Iawtlp. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 16:47:03 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 16:33:13 2014. I face exactly the same amount of police harassment as any other photographer; I'm just a lot louder about it when I do— plenty of people just agree not to take photos, while I make a federal case out of every incident (sometimes literally).And the funny thing is, I've won every time. The city has always admitted I'm right in the end. Though you still haven't explained exactly what my opinions re: Passover/Israel/cheeseburgers/immigration have to do with the frequency of police harassment. That's the non sequitur I was talking about— the two things are completely unconnected. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 16:49:51 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 16:47:03 2014. If you speak to the police the way you speak to me and others on this board, it is extremely clear why you get in so much trouble. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 16:52:55 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 16:37:35 2014. There is absolutely nothing wrong with how I said it— as I explained in the post you just responded to. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Thu Apr 17 16:57:37 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 16:47:03 2014. Text corrected.I face exactly the same amount of police harassment as any other photographer; I'm just a lot louder about it when I do— plenty of people just agree not to take photos, while I make a federal case out of every incident (sometimes literally). And the funny thing is, I've won every time. The city has always admitted I'm right in the end. Though you still haven't explained exactly what my opinions re: Passover/Israel/cheeseburgers/immigration have to do with the frequency of police harassment. That's the statement that is not connected in a logical or clear way to anything said before it that I was talking about— the two things are completely unconnected. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 16:57:48 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover, posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 16:52:55 2014. You may have not thought there was anything wrong with what you said or how you said it. Others disagree with you. Deal with it. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 16:59:20 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 16:43:43 2014. If the Arabs were made full citizens of a bi-national state, demographic trends would ultimately result in the Jews losing their majority within Israel's borders. The solution to this is to create a state for the Palestinians where they can be a majority, thereby ensuring Israel's status as a democratic, Jewish state. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 17:09:10 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 16:59:20 2014. I don't see why it's so important that Jews make up a majority of Israel's population. That the demographics within a country might shift hardly seems justification for the turmoil associated with redrawing borders. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 17:11:05 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 16:57:48 2014. You're free to disagree, but the correct term is "I was offended," not "that is offensive." And calling me "antisemitic" is beyond ridiculous. You might want to invest in a thicker skin. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu Apr 17 17:11:45 2014, in response to Re: It Is Now Passover., posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Thu Apr 17 16:49:51 2014. You're making a very big assumption there.Remember, it's not easy to jump back from Conclusions. |
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