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Jackass Liberal Jeb Bush Says Illegals Should Break The Law |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Apr 12 19:38:39 2014 |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 16:21:11 2014, in response to Jackass Liberal Jeb Bush Says Illegals Should Break The Law, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Apr 12 19:38:39 2014. I don't see why it was OK for white people to illegally immigrate for something like a century but it's suddenly a problem now that browner people are doing it.If anything, it should be less of a big deal; the illegal Mexicans are generally willing to get jobs and pay taxes and peacefully live alongside Americans, while the illegal Brits stole the land for their exclusive use, declared the Americans to be subhuman, and launched a genocide campaign which nearly wiped them out. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Apr 13 17:03:55 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 16:21:11 2014. They are hurting black people worse than any group. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 17:17:19 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Apr 13 17:03:55 2014. There you go with the racism again. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 13 17:46:06 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 16:21:11 2014. I don't see why it was OK for white people to illegally immigrate for something like a centuryLOL! Come up with another lie, why dontcha. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 17:51:26 2014, in response to Re: "Conservative" Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 13 17:46:06 2014. So you don't believe America was overrun and "settled" by British colonists?Or do you not believe that the British colonists were white? Where exactly do you think all the white people came from? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 13 17:52:26 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 17:51:26 2014. I'm wondering if the natives can still get a refund on those gift blankets. :( |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 13 18:30:40 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 17:51:26 2014. Keep up the propaganda, Comrade Nilet. Maybe you'll get promoted to the Politburo when the General Secretary finally notices your hard work at rewriting the past.Where did any people come from, eh? |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Apr 13 18:35:32 2014, in response to Re: "Conservative" Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 13 18:30:40 2014. So you have copies of the immigration visas that the Pilgrims were issued on arrival in Massachusetts? |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Apr 13 18:37:49 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 16:21:11 2014. Oh please just when I was going to attempt to think your posts weren't a total joke. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 13 18:38:18 2014, in response to Re: ''Conservative'' Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by AlM on Sun Apr 13 18:35:32 2014. Nonsequitur. Where there is no government and one sets up a government, then that's the government of that land. Leftists trying to invalidate the Mayflower Compact (wow!) are really working overtime trying to rewrite history. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 13 18:38:56 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Apr 13 18:37:49 2014. The funny thing is, he says stuff like this and then accuses others of being "anarchistic" when they reject big government. |
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Posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 13 18:42:19 2014, in response to Re: ''Conservative'' Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 13 18:38:18 2014. Nice try. But there most certainly were governments in place when the Plymouth settlers arrived. Or did you forget the entire nations of Native Americans that were there before the Pilgrims stepped off the boat? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 13 18:45:38 2014, in response to Re: "Conservative" Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 13 18:38:56 2014. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 13 18:46:25 2014, in response to Re: ''Conservative'' Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by JayZeeBMT on Sun Apr 13 18:42:19 2014. Olog's right ... they should have sent them back and not stop shooting until they left. :) |
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Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad; Olog Doesn't |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 19:59:49 2014, in response to Re: "Conservative" Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 13 18:30:40 2014. You're one to talk about rewriting the past. I'm still baffled by this little gem.So exactly what part of American history is confusing you? Let's start more simply: When did the trait of skin with limited pigmentation first appear in the Americas and why did it appear at that time? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 13 21:10:15 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 17:17:19 2014. "There you go with the racism again."One could make an argument that's he's right, and a supply of immigrants willing to work for lower wages undercuts the wages of native born unskiled workers. A bunch of immigrants willing to work for $10/hr as janitors ruins the bargaining position of those looking to work for $15. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 13 21:31:56 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 13 21:10:15 2014. He's definitely right. People used to be able to make a living as janitors, maids, cleaning people, etc. They had a union. Hispanics came in and worked for peanuts and busted the union. Then the Hispanics decided that they were being exploited, started a new union and demanded fair wages. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 13 21:36:49 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 16:21:11 2014. "browner people"But in this case, as the descendant on black immigrants, the "brown ones" piss me off because they expect to magically show up and get people to pander to them, while my parents stood on line like everybody else. Hell, even the illegal immigrants in my family tend to keep their mouths shut instead if acting like spoiled brats acting as if they have the right to show up, and do whatever they want. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 21:38:30 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 13 21:10:15 2014. The point is, it's inherently racist to declare that the Hispanic Race™ is a "threat" to the Black Race™ to a greater or lesser extent than the White Race® because it presumes races to be monolithic entities that are innately opposed to each other.Although for what it's worth, I fail to see how a person being willing to work for a few dollars an hour less than you is more oppressive than a person forcing you to work for zero dollars an hour because he considers you property. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 21:43:30 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 13 21:36:49 2014. ...the "brown ones" piss me off because they expect to magically show up and get people to pander to them...I fail to see how working for less than minimum wage in horrible conditions while being denied the basic protections of the law meets this description. Hell, even the illegal immigrants in my family tend to keep their mouths shut instead if acting like spoiled brats acting as if they have the right to show up, and do whatever they want. Acting like they have the right to show up and do whatever they want? We need a phrase for that. How about "manifest destiny?" I have yet to see anybody claiming they should have the right to do whatever they want except for white aristocrats and I have yet to hear any reason why people should not be allowed to show up that didn't hinge on racism, tribalism, or irrational adherence to tradition. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 13 21:46:12 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 13 21:31:56 2014. yeah thats true and EMPLOYERS ( whites ) exploited thisthis is for ''chicagomotorman'' |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 13 21:46:22 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 21:43:30 2014. No one works a real job for less than minimum wage except maybe farmworkers. And they aren't technically illegal. |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 13 21:47:30 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 13 21:46:12 2014. Whites and now Asians. Lots of our manufacturing jobs in LA have Asian bosses now. Lots of Chinese. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 21:48:04 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 13 21:46:22 2014. No one works a real job for less than minimum wage except for farmworkers, waitstaff, employees of the sadly high number of companies that steal wages, and undocumented workers. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 13 21:55:08 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 21:48:04 2014. Interns ... and craig's list. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 22:07:24 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 13 21:55:08 2014. OK, forgot about interns. I'd quibble over whether anything on Craigslist counts as a "real job." |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 13 22:09:30 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 13 21:47:30 2014. yeah : ) |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 13 22:09:36 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 21:48:04 2014. Proff? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 13 22:10:43 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 22:07:24 2014. They get plenty of folks to work for free. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 13 22:13:08 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 13 22:10:43 2014. every employers dream ! SLAVERYpeople work for FREE |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 22:16:33 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 13 22:09:36 2014. Start here. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 13 22:23:07 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 21:38:30 2014. It's interesting to see how your complaints about Wal-Mart underpaying workers magically disappear when it comes to illegal immigrants flooding the labour market and depressing wages.If you want firms to pay more, you need to have some degree of restrictions in the labour market in order to boost wages. Cutting off the flow of immigrants is one way to do this. If you get rid of the people who aren't supposed to be here, it's makes this fairer for the people who are already here and those who actually followed the correct process to come in the first place. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 13 22:33:25 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 21:43:30 2014. "I fail to see how working for less than minimum wage in horrible conditions while being denied the basic protections of the law meets this description."The problem isn't with the fact that they earn low wages or are mistreated by their employers*. It's the fact that in the media, advocates for illegal immigrants tend to equate these people to legal immigrants and argue that the guy who hopped the fence has the same right to stay in this country as somebody who went through the process legally. *which is wrong, BTW "How about "manifest destiny?" Your wussy bourgeois words don't work in the harsh world of realpolitik. And I'll give you a hint, my ancestors are from the place where the slave rebellion actually worked, so your accusations of calling me a white racist won't work either. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 22:42:44 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 13 22:23:07 2014. If you want firms to pay more, you need to have some degree of restrictions in the labour market in order to boost wages. Cutting off the flow of immigrants is one way to do this.Actually, it does the exact opposite. "Restricting" the labour market by suspending the right to travel and forcing people to remain in the country where they were born creates artificially depressed labour markets— if the going rate for a particular job is $10/hour in the US which has strong worker protections and $0.25/hour in Bangladesh which has no worker protections, workers would naturally move from Bangladesh to the US for the higher wage and better conditions. The exodus of workers from Bangladesh will decrease the supply of labour and boost wages and/or compel Bangladesh to institute worker protections to keep their population from fleeing abroad. If the population of Bangladesh is forced to remain in Bangladesh by government fiat, then Bangladesh represents an artificially depressed market where labour costs $0.25/hour because workers are barred from seeking a higher wage elsewhere. Because capitalists are never restricted by immigration laws in the same way workers are, American companies will outsource jobs to Bangladesh to take advantage of the low wages there, which reduces the demand for labour in America and decreases wages accordingly. No matter how much Olog likes to say the word "communist," I firmly believe that this is something the market would sort out on its own if we stopped getting in the way. If you get rid of the people who aren't supposed to be here, it's makes this fairer for the people who are already here and those who actually followed the correct process to come in the first place. That presumes that anybody is not "supposed" to be here. On what basis can we meaningfully declare that one person is "meant" to be here and another isn't? When I moved to my current apartment, no one claimed I had to leave because I hadn't followed the correct "process" to come here. If I wanted, I could move thousands of miles away and live in Hawaii without anyone claiming I didn't belong there and had to go back. If I can move 5,000 miles without anybody claiming I'm "illegally" present in my new home town, then why should someone who only moved 500 miles be told that? |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Sun Apr 13 22:46:45 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 22:42:44 2014. When I moved to my current apartment, no one claimed I had to leave because I hadn't followed the correct "process" to come here.that's because you followed the correct process |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Apr 13 22:52:23 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 22:42:44 2014. You hate black people. We get it. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 22:54:24 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Sun Apr 13 22:33:25 2014. It's the fact that in the media, advocates for illegal immigrants tend to equate these people to legal immigrants and argue that the guy who hopped the fence has the same right to stay in this country as somebody who went through the process legally.Saying "it's wrong to equate legal immigrants with illegal immigrants and argue that the guy who hopped the fence has the same right to live here as the guy who got a visa" is like saying "it's wrong to equate slaves with free blacks and argue that the guy who ran away from his master has the same right to freedom as the guy who was set free by his master's will." Obviously, the oppression of undocumented workers isn't nearly as bad as the oppression of slaves (so I don't want to hear that non sequitur) but it's the same category of mistreatment even if it's not anywhere near the same degree. Your wussy bourgeois words don't work in the harsh world of realpolitik. The point is that "illegal" white immigrants considered it right, just, and inevitable that they would settle in this country and kick out the people already there, and now their descendants are claiming it's wrong for "illegal" brown immigrants to settle in this country and live alongside the people already here. And I'll give you a hint, my ancestors are from the place where the slave rebellion actually worked, so your accusations of calling me a white racist won't work either. I don't care what your ancestors did; if you believe people shouldn't be allowed to live in America because they were born somewhere else, that makes you a racist. It doesn't necessarily make you a white supremacist; after all, race is a decidedly murky category in which people have been classified by superficial physical traits, ethnicity, ancestry, and perhaps even culture. However, it does make you a racist. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 22:54:51 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by DAnD124 on Sun Apr 13 22:46:45 2014. The correct process being what, exactly? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 22:57:12 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Easy on Sun Apr 13 22:52:23 2014. You hate black people. We get it.I reread my post trying to find a single phrase that could imply that even with deliberate misinterpretation, but I came up empty. So I'll just file that under "complete non sequitur" and assume you meant to respond to a completely different post. |
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Posted by DAnD124 on Sun Apr 13 23:08:33 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 22:54:51 2014. you presumably singed a lease and underwent a credit and employment check. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 23:15:31 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by DAnD124 on Sun Apr 13 23:08:33 2014. Most every immigrant to the country signed a lease for their residence. Credit and employment checks are up to the discretion of landlords, so failing to go through those would not make an immigrant's lease invalid or the process of obtaining it improper.So I still don't see how I followed the "correct process" and the immigrants in question didn't. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 13 23:20:23 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sun Apr 13 22:13:08 2014. And as long as dumbasses go for it, they win. :( |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 13 23:36:38 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad; Olog Doesn't, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 19:59:49 2014. I'm still baffled by this little gemHeh. Reality baffles you. That's why you think that Obama is "right wing" and trying to establish state religion (lol) |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 23:37:08 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 13 23:20:23 2014. Luckily, there have been a few cases of "interns" successfully suing for wage theft on the grounds that the "internship" was clearly a job and their employer illegally paid them less than minimum wage— "nothing" being unmistakably less. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 23:45:32 2014, in response to Re: "Conservative" Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 13 23:36:38 2014. Heh. Reality baffles you."Heh" is exactly the response I have to the guy who thinks ending apartheid caused communist anti-white genocide talking about "reality." You may have heard that word before, but you clearly don't have the foggiest idea what it means. That's why you think that Obama is "right wing..." I asked you to define "conservative" awhile back, but somehow you forgot all about it. Maybe you'd like to do that now? This isn't going away you know. If you keep dodging, I'll just keep asking. ...and trying to establish state religion Where, exactly, did I say that? I mean, after you said this, it's clear that making random shit up is sort of what you do, but it's important to cite your sources. Accordingly, you should have said this: ...and trying to establish state religion(_!_) Remember, even if you pulled it out of your ass, you should still cite the source. That said, I asked you a question in my previous post, and you dodged it as usual. The question I asked was this: When did the trait of skin with limited pigmentation first appear in the Americas and why did it appear at that time? And your answer is...? This question is not going away either, by the way. If you keep ignoring it, I'll just keep reminding you. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 08:47:39 2014, in response to Re: Conservative Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Nilet on Sun Apr 13 23:15:31 2014. Another asshole that doesn't understand the difference between LEGAL immigration and ILLEGAL immigration. Every ILLEGAL immigrant here is an insult to the legal ones that did everything they are supposed to do to come here. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 08:49:00 2014, in response to Re: ''Conservative'' Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 13 18:38:18 2014. They got nothing else, so they come out with the absurd again. |
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Posted by RockParkMan on Mon Apr 14 08:50:21 2014, in response to Re: ''Conservative'' Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 08:49:00 2014. you're like that freeloading rancher in Nevada. They should drone his ass. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 14 08:52:43 2014, in response to Re: ''Conservative'' Jeb Bush Notices Racism Is Bad, posted by RockParkMan on Mon Apr 14 08:50:21 2014. Hi BIE!!! |
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