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Posted by The Silence* on Mon Feb 24 23:30:03 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes___________law, posted by The Silence on Mon Feb 24 23:29:28 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d HTML correction
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Re: HTML error
Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Mon Feb 24 23:43:45 2014, in response to HTML error, posted by The Silence on Mon Feb 24 23:30:03 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d So, then, you ARE aware that this bill also allows a bank loan officer (Anderson Cooper's excellent example) to deny a loan to a divorced couple, or an unwed mother, because it would violate his "sincerely held religious belief"? Would you support that?
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Re: HTML error
Posted by Easy* on Mon Feb 24 23:55:25 2014, in response to Re: HTML error, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Feb 24 23:43:45 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d I don't think that it does allow that. Not exactly. The bank itself, not a random loan officer, would need to take that position. And as we know banks exist to make money, not promote religion. In the real world such a loan officer would be fired.
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Re: HTML error
Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Tue Feb 25 00:02:48 2014, in response to Re: HTML error, posted by Easy on Mon Feb 24 23:55:25 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d The law permits individuals AND businesses to refuse goods and services to people based on their religious beliefs. ANYONE can refuse goods or services to anyone else, based on any "sincerely held religious belief". I don't believe the bank, in this example, could force the loan officer to go against his "religious beliefs", any more than a business could force an observant Orthodox Jew to work on the Sabbath..
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Re: HTML error
Posted by Easy* on Tue Feb 25 00:13:11 2014, in response to Re: HTML error, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Feb 25 00:02:48 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Well you can believe all of that, but none of it is true.
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Re: HTML error
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Tue Feb 25 00:32:58 2014, in response to Re: HTML error, posted by Easy on Mon Feb 24 23:55:25 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d It may well be some local bank. Unfortunately some people in this country put God before Mammon. And I don't mean that ironically.
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John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Feb 25 02:01:48 2014, in response to Arizona Senate passes gay discrimination law, posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 20 10:17:41 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d CBS News John McCain: I hope Jan Brewer vetoes gay bill By Marshall Cohen February 24, 2014, 12:36 PM Arizona's two Republican senators have urged their governor to veto a controversial measure that gives businesses in the state the right to refuse service to gays based on religious beliefs. Sens. John McCain and Jeff Flake offered Gov. Jan Brewer, R-Ariz., some unsolicited advice on Twitter. McCain on Monday echoed a tweet posted Saturday by Flake that addressed the issue directly: "I hope Governor Brewer will veto #SB1062," the tweets read. Lawmakers in the GOP-controlled state House and Senate approved the legislation last week. Brewer, a fiery Republican who has embraced controversial laws in the past, hasn't said yet whether she plans to sign the bill. The measure would automatically become law after five days of sitting idly on her desk. Flake and McCain are not as staunchly conservative as the state lawmakers that proposed and passed the measure. Yet Monday, Republican state senators Bob Worsley, Adam Driggs and Steve Pierce sent their own letter to Brewer urging a veto just days after they joined the entire 17-member Senate Republican caucus in voting for the bill, the Associated Press reports. "I was not comfortable' with the vote,' Worsley told the AP. "I have not been comfortable with this for some time." The controversy with this bill highlights the divisions in the Republican Party as it grapples with the changing social landscape. Supporters of the legislation say it provides much-needed protection for religious organizations and individuals with strong beliefs, especially as same-sex marriage laws are rapidly changing. Religious groups have argued that they should not be forced to provide services to gay people if they are not comfortable doing so because of their beliefs. Opponents of the bill claim that it effectively legalizes discrimination and does not pass constitutional muster. Business interests don't like the bill and could lead to widespread boycotts. Some have even raised concerns that the economic backlash could hurt Super Bowl XLIX, which will be held in the Phoenix area next year.
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Tue Feb 25 02:14:03 2014, in response to John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 25 02:01:48 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d And YOUR take on this since we already know where you stand on McCain and Flake is? ...
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by Edwards!* on Tue Feb 25 02:47:20 2014, in response to John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 25 02:01:48 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d You Do know that any bill passed to enforce discrimination is unconstitutional. They know it too.. These are sad times we live in.
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Tue Feb 25 03:08:31 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Edwards! on Tue Feb 25 02:47:20 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d The Supreme court ALMOST has the numbers to MAKE it constitutional, which is what the republicans are ALL ABOUT. :(
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Re: HTML error
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Tue Feb 25 06:25:32 2014, in response to Re: HTML error, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Feb 25 00:02:48 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d WTF? Why can't a business require that a Jew work on the sabbath??? How do you come up with this stuff???
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by Dave* on Tue Feb 25 06:33:21 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 25 03:08:31 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d And you ALWAYS have to make a dumb-ass remark like this, because that is what you are ALL ABOUT. :(
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Tue Feb 25 07:20:24 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Dave on Tue Feb 25 06:33:21 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Yep.
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by mtk52983* on Tue Feb 25 07:21:40 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Edwards! on Tue Feb 25 02:47:20 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Except while incredibly short-sighted I do not believe this law is unconstitutional as written. The law does not require discrimination, just that you cannot be held liable if you do discriminate against LGBT people. Moreover, 14th Amendment does not apply to private citizens. Additionally, discrimination protections at the state level have not been extended to LGBT people when a fundamental right (such as marriage and sex) is not involved
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Tue Feb 25 07:31:37 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Feb 25 07:21:40 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Whoa whoa whoa. Why should someone like you with a law education and years of practical experience try to correct someone like Edwards, who is obviously never wrong and very calm, collected, and reasonable?
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by Edwards!* on Tue Feb 25 07:50:32 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Feb 25 07:31:37 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d LOL.. My my..are we sore this morning? did you man plug up that leak in your ass with your favorite chew toy? He somehow forgot your mouth..must be a slight oversight. perhaps my foot can correct that.
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by mtk52983* on Tue Feb 25 10:02:47 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Feb 25 07:31:37 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d I get paid by the letter :)
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by Dave* on Tue Feb 25 11:18:00 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Feb 25 10:02:47 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Which is why briefs are anything but brief!
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Re: OLOG-HAI is Anti-Gay
Posted by streetcarman1* on Tue Feb 25 11:45:49 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes religious freedom law, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Feb 24 15:54:29 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d "Rest of whom? You just pulled that out of your ass." Yes...right out of your BRAIN(aka. ass). "I see you say nothing about forcing religious people to go against their beliefs and themselves live in a ghetto. You're the one being the Nazi here, streetcarNazi." You're the one who believes in the same extremist rhetoric that these extremist religious believe in. You hold them close to you and would love to deny others the right to exist freely...that is why you are a NAZI! These people just want to HATE....and you can't see it or you're in EXTREME DENIAL for some nutcase like yourself.
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by streetcarman1* on Tue Feb 25 11:47:03 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Edwards! on Tue Feb 25 07:50:32 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d :)
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Re: Arizona Senate passes religious freedom law
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Feb 25 11:51:40 2014, in response to Re: OLOG-HAI is Anti-Gay, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 25 11:45:49 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d I never said or implied gays ought to live in a ghetto, liar. But you're denying that gays are using hate against Christians and not leaving them alone. Oh well . . . the end of the month is coming soon and your intarwebs will be cut off. Guess I can't sweat it . . .
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GOP State Sen. says HE SCREWED UP with SB1062
Posted by streetcarman1* on Tue Feb 25 11:53:36 2014, in response to John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 25 02:01:48 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Straight from the horse's mouth....this guy says he made a BIG MISTAKE here: From theHuffingtonPost.com: Arizona GOP State Senator Regrets Voting For Anti-Gay SB 1062: 'I Screwed Up' The Huffington Post \| by Amanda Terkel Posted: 02/24/2014 11:40 am EST Updated: 02/24/2014 4:59 pm EST Arizona state Sen. Steve Pierce (R) was one of the lawmakers who voted to pass SB 1062, a controversial bill that would allow businesses to refuse service to same-sex couples. He is now saying he made a mistake in supporting the legislation and wants the governor to veto it. "I screwed up," he told Capitol Media Services Sunday. "I'm trying to make it right." On Saturday, Pierce also said he didn't like the image and attention Arizona was getting because of the bill. "I don't like the negative picture of Arizona, and I'm on board asking the governor to veto the bill," Pierce told the Daily Courier. He added, however, that he didn't like calling the bill "anti-gay." "To say [the bill is] anti-gay is following the feeding frenzy," Pierce said. "I have friends that are gay and I wouldn't do anything to hurt them. This is blown way out of proportion and it's too bad." The Arizona state Senate voted along party lines last Wednesday to approve SB 1062. The state House followed up two days later. Supporters say the legislation simply protects the "religious freedom" of individuals, groups and businesses, but it would also allow these entities to refuse service to same-sex couples. It is now up to Gov. Jan Brewer (R) to sign or veto it. She has not yet indicated what she plans to do. "You know, the bill is in transmittal and I don’t have to make a decision until next Friday so I’ve got plenty of time," she said Sunday at the National Governor’s Association meeting. The business community has come out strongly against the bill, with the tourism industry especially worried about the effects it could have on the state ahead of the Super Bowl, which is set to be held in Glendale, Ariz., in 2015. In recent weeks, multiple states have been pushing these anti-gay bills, although they have not advanced as far as in Arizona.
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Feb 25 11:53:46 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Feb 25 02:14:03 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Not unexpected out of both of them. But now they're attacking Christians that want to be left alone. Of course, leftists have no problem discriminating against Christians . . .
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Feb 25 11:55:07 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Feb 25 07:31:37 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d . . . whoever "Edwards" is today.
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Re: OLOG-HAI IS ANTI-GAY
Posted by streetcarman1* on Tue Feb 25 12:02:15 2014, in response to Re: Arizona Senate passes religious freedom law, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 25 11:51:40 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d "But you're denying that gays are using hate against Christians and not leaving them alone." YOU KNOW HOW FUCKING RIDICULOUS YOU JUST MADE YOURSELF APPEAR IN FRONT OF US WITH THAT STATEMENT? NOW YOU ARE SAYING GAYS ARE NOT CHRISTIANS IN ONE LUMP SUM THERE. YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ON THE TOPIC EXCEEDS ITS LIMITS HERE. ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE CHRISTIAN DEMONINATIONS THAT OPENLY WELCOME GAYS AND LESBIANS INTO THEIR FOLD. BUT YOU CALLOUSLY DENY THE RIGHTS FOR GAYS TO EXIST IN OUR SOCIETY WHICH PROVES YOU ARE ANTI-GAY...THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT! "Oh well . . . the end of the month is coming soon and your intarwebs will be cut off. Guess I can't sweat it . . . " YOU AND LUCHIE ARE REALLY PLAGUED BY A CLOUD OF STUPIDITY. I DON'T SEND MY ENTIRE LIFE ON THE INTERNET UNLIKE YOU. THAT'S ALL YOU LIVE FOR SINCE YOU HAVE NO LIFE WITH WHICH TO SPEAK OFF...OLOG-HAI.
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by mtk52983* on Tue Feb 25 12:02:37 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 25 11:53:46 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d The problem with the law is not that it allows for LGBT citizens to be treated differently from heterosexual citizens, but rather the standard that it permits is too vague and allows for selectively targeting LGBT citizens. There is no way in the law to determine whether there was a religious belief or just a hatred of homosexuals in refusing the service. What if a bakery makes a cake for the remarriage of a woman who is divorced and has an out of wedlock child? Can that bakery simultaneously claim the protection of this law when they refuse to bake a cake for an LGBT wedding? I have no problem with immunizing private entities who the Courts have said are not covered by the 14th Amendment, but my issue with the Arizona legislation is too flexible and appears to only apply to those who refuse service to LGBT citizens.
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by streetcarman1* on Tue Feb 25 12:03:49 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 25 11:53:46 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d "Of course, leftists have no problem discriminating against Christians . " THESE ARE EXTREMISTS CHRISTIANS......YOU OBVIOUSLY CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENT.
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Tue Feb 25 12:04:04 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Edwards! on Tue Feb 25 07:50:32 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Yes, when your brain can't cut it, you resort to physical violence.
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Tue Feb 25 12:04:21 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Feb 25 10:02:47 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d :)
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Feb 25 12:05:11 2014, in response to Re: OLOG-HAI IS ANTI-GAY, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 25 12:02:15 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Thanks for showing your extreme prejudice, streetcarbigot. Gonna lie some more about "olog-hai wants gays to live in ghettos yeeearrgh"??
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Feb 25 12:06:44 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Feb 25 12:02:37 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d You want to legislate over thought now? Bad enough that Zerocare wants to force people to go against their religious beliefs. Of course, they know that if they tried this with Islamists, they'd get almost-literal hellfire in response.
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by streetcarman1* on Tue Feb 25 12:07:21 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Feb 25 12:04:04 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Do you know what physical violence is at all?
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Re: OLOG-HAI IS ANTI-GAY
Posted by streetcarman1* on Tue Feb 25 12:08:43 2014, in response to Re: OLOG-HAI IS ANTI-GAY, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 25 12:02:15 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d I pwnd YOU as usual since you have nothing to say in response.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Feb 25 12:20:13 2014, in response to Re: OLOG-HAI IS ANTI-GAY, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 25 12:08:43 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d LOL, punk. Let's see if you can figure out how to read posts like this, you bigot.
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Tue Feb 25 12:27:39 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 25 12:07:21 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d LOL!
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by mtk52983* on Tue Feb 25 12:30:33 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 25 12:06:44 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d No, which is why this is an incredibly stupid bill. You never answered my question though about whether or not the bakery that selectively enforces its beliefs on who it should serve is entitled to protection under SB1062
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Feb 25 12:33:43 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Feb 25 12:30:33 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d It has to do with attacks on their religious beliefs, such as the wedding cakes, which are overt. Nothing about cutting off gay people from all purchases whatsoever. Are you okay with selective harassment over one's religious beliefs?
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by mtk52983* on Tue Feb 25 12:50:50 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 25 12:33:43 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Then what makes a wedding cake for someone who has had a divorce and has a child out of wedlock any less of an attack than an LGBT person? Are you okay with picking and choosing which religious beliefs you want to follow?
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Re: GOP State Sen. says HE SCREWED UP with SB1062
Posted by FYBklyn1959* on Tue Feb 25 13:00:23 2014, in response to GOP State Sen. says HE SCREWED UP with SB1062, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Feb 25 11:53:36 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Inb4 Rino, etc. etc.
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Feb 25 13:32:48 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Feb 25 12:50:50 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Nobody said that was "less". Now you're coming up with canard arguments. But to entertain it, if that violates the baker's religious beliefs, the baker should be free to refuse.
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Re: GOP State Senators say they regret his vote on SB1062
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Feb 25 13:35:28 2014, in response to Re: GOP State Sen. says HE SCREWED UP with SB1062, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Feb 25 13:00:23 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Speaks for itself, really. And he's not alone.
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Re: GOP State Senators say they regret their votes on SB1062
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Feb 25 13:35:44 2014, in response to Re: GOP State Sen. says HE SCREWED UP with SB1062, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Tue Feb 25 13:00:23 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Speaks for itself, really. And he's not alone.
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by mtk52983* on Tue Feb 25 14:02:46 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 25 13:32:48 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d I was just seeing if a baker who refused to bake a cake for an LGBT wedding because it violated "Christian" beliefs (I used quotes because every denomination has its own beliefs) can claim protection under SB1062 if the baker willingly baked a wedding cake for a divorced person with an out of wedlock child (which also violates "Christian" beliefs)
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Re: HTML error
Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Tue Feb 25 14:07:14 2014, in response to Re: HTML error, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Feb 25 06:25:32 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Would you tolerate a policy at your job that required you to work on the Sabbath, or would you sue for workplace discrimination?
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Feb 25 14:08:15 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Feb 25 14:02:46 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Be careful with your scare quotes. Make sure they are really applicable.
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Re: HTML error
Posted by JayZeeBMT* on Tue Feb 25 14:09:40 2014, in response to Re: HTML error, posted by Easy on Tue Feb 25 00:13:11 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Really? The Arizona law is so broadly crafted, that anyone can claim any kind of "religious belief" as a reason for refusing goods and services to anyone else. The actual intent of this legislation, however, seems clear: it's meant to target gays and lesbians, specifically.
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by mtk52983* on Tue Feb 25 14:11:53 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 25 14:08:15 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d Nice attempt to once again refuse to answer my question about whether that baker could claim the protections of SB1062
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by streetcarman1* on Tue Feb 25 14:14:44 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Feb 25 12:27:39 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d So your answer is NO then....thanks.
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Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062
Posted by DAnD124* on Tue Feb 25 14:16:38 2014, in response to Re: John McCain and Jeff Flake both call for veto of SB1062, posted by mtk52983 on Tue Feb 25 14:11:53 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d and he calls other people evasive
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Re: HTML error
Posted by Easy* on Tue Feb 25 14:17:02 2014, in response to Re: HTML error, posted by JayZeeBMT on Tue Feb 25 14:07:14 2014.* fiogf49gjkf0d I knew a Christian woman that worked for an orthodox Jewish attorney and she didn't get any Christian holidays off, not even Christmas Day. She eventually quit.
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