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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 4 20:25:34 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jan 4 16:16:52 2014.

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Um, if you were paying $459 quarterly you were getting crap. Back in 2004 my employer then only paid for my insurance, and I had to pay $400 per month for my wife.

I pay $400/mo now just as my share of medical insurance for my wife and me, with my employer paying the rest, and that's no cadillac plan either.


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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 20:27:41 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 4 20:25:34 2014.

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I think they're expecting insurance to be the "Shifty of Encino" version with 100% copay. It takes some REALLY bad insurance to not make the bottom rung of Obamacare. :(

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 4 20:41:18 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 19:46:06 2014.

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Yeah, but there is a huge INCREASE for many others. Mine tripled if not for luckily being able to go on with my wife this year.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 21:52:13 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Fred G on Sat Jan 4 19:45:49 2014.

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I don't. I just like to "stir the pot" and see what brews.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 21:57:10 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 4 20:22:13 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I'm not serious. I just wanted to live in San Francisco but could never make the financials work.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jan 4 22:18:19 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 4 20:25:34 2014.

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Wife and you in that plan.....I wasn't two people


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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 4 22:43:08 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jan 4 22:18:19 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Yep. I pay $400 and my employer pays more than $400. Per month.


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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 4 22:51:35 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 15:40:45 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
How does the SAS look like it will never be built?

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 4 22:53:07 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jan 4 15:57:57 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
How is your partisan rant any different from his?

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 4 22:57:42 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 4 22:51:35 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Completed, 125th to Hanover Square, maybe?


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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 4 22:59:03 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 19:46:06 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
My aunt who rails against Obama got cheaper premiums through ObamaCare.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 4 23:01:19 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 19:52:52 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
The best gas is in the areas closest to PA north border. Most of that is west and south of the NYC Watershed, except for some of the Cannonsville drainage.

There's also a fair amount of gas in the Watershed, just not the best areas. By 2050, there will be a big push to drill for that gas too, and by then either fracking will be banned or totally safe.



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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 4 23:02:12 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 4 22:59:03 2014.

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If I were still in the situation I was in in 2004, I'd be very happy for the offer that Chris thinks is so awful.



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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 23:12:36 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 4 22:51:35 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I meant the full SAS will never be built.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by Elkeeper on Sat Jan 4 23:19:38 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 4 22:57:42 2014.

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Perhaps, but most of us here won't live to see it!

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by David Fairthorne on Sat Jan 4 23:26:16 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 19:07:39 2014.

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It's definitely a Right to Work For Less.

Yes, and that makes it attractive to employers, who consequently prefer to locate in Right to Work states.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 23:59:35 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 4 22:59:03 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Most people did. Except for the ones who had no idea of what shitty insurance they had prior. If you don't need to actually use it, then you'd never know.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sun Jan 5 00:02:44 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 23:12:36 2014.

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At least in our lifetimes. Here in Baltimore we are still talking about a "Light Rail" (AKA Streetcar) line down Edmonson Avenue (like the 14 streetcar line years ago) to downtown where it goes underground through downtown and then goes back up to City Hospital in East Baltimore. It will use 3 car trains of low floor type which will also be used on the original "Light Rail" line which runs from Timonium to BWI Airport and to Ann Arundal County. It's cars need replacing since they were built in the 1980's.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Jan 5 00:09:10 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 4 23:01:19 2014.

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Yep ... last year there were plenty of hippies complaining about it and got to look at some of the maps. Delaware side of the NYC water supply had the most territories, but there were also sites feeding Shandaken downstream from them. I remember how crazy it got in Woodstock over septic systems that had zero chance of every downstreaming into the NYC reservoirs, these are more possible. Should be interesting to see what comes of it once NYC DEP folks notice. :)

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 5 01:19:41 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by David Fairthorne on Sat Jan 4 23:26:16 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
so why is unemployment still so high in the South while the recession hardly touched the Northeast?



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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 5 01:29:38 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SMAZ on Sun Jan 5 01:19:41 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
FALSE

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sun Jan 5 08:22:26 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jan 5 01:29:38 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Thank you for being non partisan and showing facts.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by bingbong on Sun Jan 5 10:08:30 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 4 20:41:18 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Difference is you'd get something for the money now as opposed to before, where they'd be lining up to go for your assets.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 5 10:58:20 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 4 22:43:08 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
My employer doesn't pay anything towards it, as I am an independent contractor.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by AlM on Sun Jan 5 12:27:50 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sun Jan 5 10:58:20 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Interesting but irrelevant.

I'm saying my helalh insurance, which is not a cadillac plan, costs more than $400 per month per person. So the offer you got was reasonable.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by LuchAAA on Sun Jan 5 17:52:34 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Charles G on Sat Jan 4 13:44:52 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I don't know why anyone is playing politics with this subject.

That's how it works.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 23 03:17:53 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jan 4 17:49:09 2014.

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I think he missed this one. It was busy enough, too.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 23 03:37:46 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 23 03:17:53 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I work for one of America's top ten corporations right here where I live. While your old and busted shit is raping the countryside, the folks I work for are moving in. So once again, conservatards have it all wrong. Upstate New York is doing JUST fine, just like the city. So pack up and go - more good things for the rest of us while you enjoy your leeches.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 23 12:14:27 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 15:46:50 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
The government is *not* investing in the future either way. The Tea Party is at least trying to cut spending on bullshit.

If the Federal taxes were reduced, states could raise their taxes and institute more targeted programs of their choosing. Everyone wins.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 12:16:45 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 23 12:14:27 2014.

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largely true

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 23 12:17:42 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 23 12:14:27 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Good that you recognize that.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by Dan on Sun Feb 23 16:29:25 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 23 03:37:46 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
IBM?

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 23 16:36:09 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 23 03:37:46 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Ain't gonna last. Those tax breaks are temporary.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 23 17:22:17 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Dan on Sun Feb 23 16:29:25 2014.

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Nope. I'm not at liberty to discuss my employment, but it should be easy to guess. Look at Forbes, top ten. It's in there.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 23 17:23:05 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 23 16:36:09 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Mine didn't ask for a single tax break. They saw the talent around here and leaped. That's why everybody else is coming in. SUNYA, RPI, and others.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 23 17:41:49 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 23 12:14:27 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Can't wait to see New Jersey deploying aircraft carriers and a space program. We've already seen how far they get when trying to connect a railroad between two states.

There are things that only the federal government can do efficiently.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 23 17:43:02 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 23 16:36:09 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Same goes for Tennessee, South Carolina, Texas, Alabama,.........

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 23 17:45:25 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 23 17:23:05 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Plus......we have WATER. LOTS of it. It's a MAJOR problem elsewhere. Keep that in mind.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 23 18:02:45 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 23 17:41:49 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Yes. Defense, the one thing the Tea Party wouldn't cut completely :). Now, the other stuff, no reason for us to pay the feds and beg for the money back...

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 23 18:02:50 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 23 17:45:25 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Yep.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Feb 23 18:08:21 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 23 18:02:45 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
What "other stuff"?

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 23 18:11:17 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 23 18:02:45 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Tea Party nailed our defense preparedness to the hull with the sequester and other cuts. Ask the local ANG folks at Stratton how that's working out. They can't even get that part of their rhetoric right.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by RockParkMan on Sun Feb 23 18:24:11 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 23 12:14:27 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Shoot yourself, RETARD.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 23 19:40:17 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by RockParkMan on Sun Feb 23 18:24:11 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
What did I do to you?

A fitting end for you would be if the FBI/ATF/DEA knocks down your door and headshots you thinking you were the crackhouse next door.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 19:57:18 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 23 18:11:17 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
All together now, "Its the Republican's fault!"

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by AlM on Sun Feb 23 19:57:49 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 23 19:40:17 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Just think of RockParkMan as Joe Stalin in a bad mood.


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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Feb 23 19:58:54 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 19:57:18 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
ALL TOGETHER NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 19:59:27 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by bingbong on Sun Feb 23 17:45:25 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
"we have WATER. LOTS of it. "

Yes you do and didn't it flood Selkirk's house?

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 20:01:09 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sun Feb 23 19:40:17 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Nah, Mike's really a good guy in real life. He just play's bing-bong's saner brother here.

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Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Feb 23 20:09:14 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Train Dude on Sun Feb 23 19:57:18 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Congratulations on admitting the the republican party IS the tea party. :)

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