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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 16:05:11 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:03:18 2014. Some things don't privatize very well. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 4 16:05:13 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jan 4 16:02:52 2014. Only because both parties are left wing. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 4 16:06:29 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Charles G on Sat Jan 4 15:48:12 2014. Yes and no. Certainly an underlying long term decline in manufacturing. But:Much lesser percentage-wise population decline. No dependence on a single manufacturing industry. Ongoing income from tourism, agriculture, universities, and second-home-owners (in central NY). Not the huge concentration of poverty and associated crime. Less demarcation between inner city in disastrous shape and suburbs fairly prosperous. More mobility - more of the poor have cars which let them get to suburban jobs. Probably more state aid and state employment per capita (I'm guessing at this one). Employment opportunities nearly in PA gas fields (and in NY if NY ever adopts regulations similar to those in PA). |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:07:09 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 16:04:36 2014. Politics no doubt contributed to the contracts being issued to both of the aforementioned companies. Plus someone screwed up the rates so that middle class Americans got large premium increases and higher deductibles. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jan 4 16:09:12 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 16:05:11 2014. As many don't government bueracracize well. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 16:09:53 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:07:09 2014. Yep ... insurance carriers came up with the latter. But the more they keep screwing it all up, the sooner we'll get to single payer. :) |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:10:04 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 16:05:11 2014. I'd actually argue that whenever there is a public / private partnership things don't go well as you have the balancing act of the public good vs. the needs of a business owner or corporation to make profits and/or increase shareholder value. Either let it be 100% private (with a 100% public program to help those left out by the private system) or make it 100% public. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 16:11:43 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:10:04 2014. And if you're going to privatize it, make sure that the bidders can actually "perform" before signing them on. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:13:13 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 16:09:53 2014. As a middle class American, I'm increasingly bitter about the fact that nobody in the government or politics really gives a damn about me. It was especially evident when I lived in California where I could live comfortably if I was dirt poor (due to generous government assistance and subsidies) or if I was filthy rich but I couldn't live comfortably being middle class. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 16:13:22 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jan 4 16:09:12 2014. In this instance though, we already had medicare which does the same thing. Politically though, they didn't want to just have them take care of it because that would be communism. So here's the result. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:14:54 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 16:11:43 2014. You really can't do that. The way campaign financing works these days you are almost obligated to give the contract to whomever donated the most money. We can only start doing performance based contracts at the federal level if we had campaign finance reform. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jan 4 16:16:52 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 16:09:53 2014. Yup...luckily I got married and now can be under my wife's insurance..... as my healthcare otherwise due to obamacare on Jan 1st would have went from $459.00 quarterly to $430.00 monthly as my old plan (after 20 years) didn't "comply with the new healthcare law". That's a triple increase thanks to obamacare. I would be fuming if I didn't get married. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:17:34 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 16:13:22 2014. I was talking to my next door neighbor this morning. He is 65 and just got Medicare and doesn't have a complaint in the world because it's simple. My fiancé and I were trying to compare Obamacare plans last night (as she works 2 part time jobs as a veterinarian) and I ended up royally confused. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 16:17:56 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:13:13 2014. Same deal up here, although not quite as bad. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 16:18:38 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:17:34 2014. They wanted it privatized, that's the result. If it were single payer, you'd have medicare too. See why I bitch so much about it? |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:19:11 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jan 4 16:16:52 2014. The biggest problem with Obamacare is the MASSIVE increase in premiums for middle class Americans who do not have employer sponsored healthcare. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 16:19:12 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:14:54 2014. Correct.Well ... off to work, see youse guys later ... |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:19:45 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 16:17:56 2014. Nobody ever seeks to address it though :(. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:21:49 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 16:18:38 2014. I'm not joking. I spent a good couple of hours looking at it last night and I'm no rocket scientist but I'm not a village idiot and I ended up more confused after 2 hours of looking at it than I was when I started. Plus there is no easy search tool to figure out which plans her doctors belong to, if any at all. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 4 16:21:50 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:13:13 2014. As a middle class American, I'm increasingly bitter about the fact that nobody in the government or politics really gives a damn about meYet you keep voting for left-wing politicians. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 4 16:22:30 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 4 16:06:29 2014. It's about frakking time they end the moratorium on fracking. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:22:53 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 4 16:21:50 2014. Right wing politicians don't give a damn about me either. Maybe if my income was 10 times what is is, then they'd care. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 4 16:44:00 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 4 16:22:30 2014. Yeah, Cuomo is really taking a big financial risk too. The trustee for a bankrupt gas company is suing, saying, hey your failure to regulate diligently put this company into bankruptcy. If he wins the creditors are going to want a lot of money from the taxpayers. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Jan 4 17:49:09 2014, in response to More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 4 00:13:13 2014. Cue spaz to give us his fuzzy math. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 4 18:42:53 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 15:57:49 2014. Romneycare/Obamacare is a Republican idea.Had they done Medicare for All (alongside private competition perhaps), it would have been an unqualified success. It's already a success anyway, in large part thanks to Expanded Medicaid. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 4 18:44:35 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:13:13 2014. where I could live comfortably if I was dirt poorBullshit. The dirt poor are just that. They don't live comfortably anywhere. Least of all in the Bay Area. Stop making shit up. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 4 18:51:21 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by David Fairthorne on Sat Jan 4 00:32:31 2014. If that were true, why are Southern right-to-work-for-less States plagued by continued super-high unemployment over 4 years after the end of the Recession while places like NY, Mass, CT, PA, NH, MD, MN, MO etc yawned at the Recession or otherwise fully recovered from it? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 4 18:54:16 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 15:57:49 2014. hmm..even though the so called "Obamacare" as conceived,was a Republican idea? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 4 19:02:56 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:13:13 2014. you really should stop LYING.Nobody "dirt poor" lives comfortable. its ALWAYS a struggle EVERYDAY to SEE tomorrow,regardless of the strings attached to the "generous government assistance and subsidies".. i deal with the poor..i know these folks on a PERSONAL LEVEL that none of you could even begin to understand. the fact that people ATTACK them FOR BEING POOR,I find appalling. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 4 19:04:43 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 4 16:21:50 2014. yup..and you can blame the right wing party that tells you they don't care about you to your face. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 19:06:30 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 4 18:44:35 2014. I'm not making it up. There is dirrt cheep ass subsidized housing in the Bay Area. Housing is the #1 expense. Those people in that housing can live more comfortably than I can making significantly less money. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 4 19:06:50 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by David Fairthorne on Sat Jan 4 00:32:31 2014. LOL!Right to Work is another bullshit republican idea that doesnt benefit the worker...nor was it planned to. it doesnt WORK in the South..and Wont work Here. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 19:07:22 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SMAZ on Sat Jan 4 18:42:53 2014. Yay Medicaid expansion! Proving my point that the middle class gets screwed as their premiums go up to pay for the expanded Medicaid. |
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Posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 19:07:39 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 4 19:06:50 2014. It's definitely a Right to Work For Less. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jan 4 19:19:44 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:21:49 2014. The easiest thing to do is contact their offices. When enough people ask, a doctor will look into getting into another network. They are in a business, too and losing patients loses revenue. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 4 19:37:22 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by David Fairthorne on Sat Jan 4 00:32:31 2014. No. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 4 19:42:58 2014, in response to More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 4 00:13:13 2014. Been happening forever. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 19:44:38 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Sat Jan 4 16:16:52 2014. Actually, let's put that in perspective for you then. We had SHIT insurance and were paying $1800 a month for the two of us before Obamacare happened. So let's double up your price there and it's still less than half price compared to buying your own insurance under the old system. And I'll bet a lot more things are covered than under that old plan too. Somebody was subsidizing that very low cost you had, probably your employer, so socialism was working out pretty good for you before, but then (drum roll, please) ... these are "republican times" and your employer is now competitive by dumping your insurance.I'll bet THEY'RE happy and that's what matters these days. :) |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Jan 4 19:45:49 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:13:13 2014. If you think middle class is worse than dirt poor you need a reality check.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 19:46:06 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:19:11 2014. And one major reduction for those who had to buy their own individuals before. The marching cry of the right has been "why should employers be paying for that stuff in the first place?" and here we are. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 19:47:31 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:19:45 2014. Of course not ... the middle class isn't going after their congressfish in sufficient numbers to get their attention. Lobbyists for the others have pitched tents in the congressfish's offices so they're getting heard. That's gotta change. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 19:49:33 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:21:49 2014. That's always been a problem with insurers, we've had to do that dance with them for years. Like bingbong said, gotta call the doctors you have and find out what they take. The insurers usually have web pages that will list who is IN their "network" but it's a LOT of research to figure out which way to go. And the insurance companies consider that info "proprietary" so chances are the government couldn't get their hands on it anyway. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 19:51:46 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:22:53 2014. Nope ... keep multiplying that number until they answer the phone. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 19:52:52 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 4 16:22:30 2014. Considering that all the really good fracking spots feed into the reservoirs that NYC gets their water from instead of THIS side of those hills, I have no problem with that. :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Jan 4 19:58:36 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 19:49:33 2014. Those websites are also notorious for incorrect information. They don't update as network providers change. Even within a practice, one provider may accept different insurers than others, and this either gets lost or incorrectly applied to others in the group. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sat Jan 4 19:59:56 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by bingbong on Sat Jan 4 19:58:36 2014. Yep ... but it's about all there is out there to see. Still gotta follow up to be sure. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 4 20:20:28 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 19:06:30 2014. Question - would you voluntarily move into the "comfortable" subsidized housing of the dirt poor?I thought not. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jan 4 20:21:43 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 4 16:21:50 2014. so full of shit,you are.praising your do nothing Republican party deities..like they really care about this country. you know what they REALLY care about? Their bottom line..staying in the BLACK..putting the RIGHT PEOPLE in the RIGHT POSITIONS..MONEY. They could give a rats ass about THE PEOPLE who voted FOR them,INCLUDING YOU...and even less about those who didn't. ask any of them Why they went out of their way to screw over the American citizen by shutting the government down..taking food out of their mouths..cutting SNAP and Unemployment..voter restrictions when there wasn't cause..and a whole slew of other various injustices. your "party" is a good ol' boys club of thieves..charlatans..greedy self serving bastards who put their interest above everything else while waving the flag saying "we ALL can share the pain..". so you keep on pushing your party...after they fucked you good/long enough without lubricant..we'll see how much longer you'll Worship those scum bags after your hemorrhoids fall out of your rectum. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 4 20:22:13 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by Fred G on Sat Jan 4 19:45:49 2014. IAWTP. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Jan 4 20:23:39 2014, in response to Re: More people moving out of upstate NY than moving in, posted by TonyG on Sat Jan 4 16:21:49 2014. Hmm. My 2 grown sons just got on Obamacare. We went to the websites of a couple of the better known insurers and easily found their listing of network doctors and hospitals. They were all neatly categorized by level of Obamacare plan (silver, bronze, etc.) and specialty of the doctor. You can also call the insurers or the doctors directly. |
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